PJ20 movie disappointment

veddermanvedderman Posts: 801
edited January 2012 in The Porch
What's the point of releasing it on bluray anyway? The picture quality is shit. This is the worst quality i have ever seen on bluray. For example Thumbing My Way or Nothing As It Seems, which were not shot in the 80's or 90's...are indigestible.

And the movie content? Who cares about the Singles party, Headbangers Ball, Adam Sandler, Scott Stapp celebrity deathmatch,... The movie literaly jumps from 1995 to 2010. The inbetween time is just mentioned in a few words. I miss No Code/Yield/Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado era, some studio shots would be more interesting.

Well, that's just my opinion.
2000 Ljubljana
2006 Vienna, Zagreb
2007 Munich
2009 Berlin
2010 Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
2011 Montreal, Toronto 1&2
2012 Manchester 1&2, Amsterdam 1&2, Prague, Berlin 1&2, EV Manchester
2013 Worcester 1&2, Brooklyn 1&2
2014 Amsterdam 1&2, Manchester 1&2, Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2017 EV Firenze, Taormina 1&2
2018 Amsterdam 1&2, Padova, Prague, Krakow, Berlin
2019 EV Firenze
Post edited by Unknown User on
«1

Comments

  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
    vedderman wrote:
    Thumbing My Way or Nothing As It Seems...are indigestible.
    while it might not be the best looking BR I've ever seen...don't necessarily agree with that^^
    aqo2t.jpg
  • IgotshitIDIgotshitID St.john's Newfoundland Posts: 895
    the singles party was halarious
    St.John's 9/24/2005
    St.John's 9/25/2005
    Toronto 9/11/2011
    Toronto 9/12/2011
    Quebec City 5/5/2016
    Ottawa 5/8/2016
  • You wanna sell it? I'll gladly take it off your hands.
    DC-9/24/96
    Philly-8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/3/05, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 4/28/16, 4/29/16
    Jones Beach-8/25/00
    PSU-5/3/03
    Irvine-6/2/03
    San Diego-6/5/03
    Hershey-7/12/03
    Reading-10/1/04
    The Gorge-9/1/05
    Vancouver-9/2/05
    AC-9/30/05
    E. Rutherford, NJ-6/1/06,6/3/06
    Bonnaroo-6/14/08
    VA Beach-6/17/08
    MSG-5/20/10,5/21/10
    Baltimore 10/27/13
  • Sell it.
    Member 164xxx

    8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13

    More to Come....
  • IgotshitID wrote:
    the singles party was halarious
    it's largely due to eddie that i liked to jump off of things as a child...
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,715
    I ordered in standard dvd quality as I figured it would not be worth the extra for blue ray on old footage.
    I love the movie though, have watched it a shit-ton of times already. I make everyone I know sit through it once. :D

    Dude, you are stoked if you dont like it -- go to Lost Dogs and post what you want to trade for it. People will go bat-shit/
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • red mosred mos Posts: 4,953
    IgotshitID wrote:
    the singles party was halarious


    I love how Stone was talking to Cameron Crowe while driving around Seattle, and Stone was like, Oh God, you have footage of that?" Then they show the footage. :mrgreen: Love how Ed was pissed cause his monitors weren't working, and went and ripped the sound thing out of the wall. Turned out to be the lighting rig he destroyed, and he was like "why is it getting brighter in here?" :mrgreen::lol:
    PJ: 10/14/00 06/09/03 10/4/09 11/15/13 11/16/13 10/08/14
    EV Solo: 7/11/11 11/12/12 11/13/12
  • SxDx1982SxDx1982 Posts: 124
    Stop complaining. I have a shitty tv from nineteen-ninety-something, and dvd player that I got from my ex boyfriend's friend, but I really enjoyed watching this movie anyway.
    I'm still out here waiting
    Watching reruns of my life
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    i wish they would have shown more footage from No Code onward as well, but i really enjoyed the hell out of the movie!
    I LOVE MUSIC.
    www.cluthelee.com
    www.cluthe.com
  • DURPDURP OhighO Posts: 2,180
    I can't comment on the blu ray i have only seen what was in PBS and on Netflix but i did enjoy the singles party and celebraty deathmatch. After watching the movie the first time i went to Hulu to see if they had that episode of deathmatch and they don't.

    I do agree with the OP about how it just jumped from 95 or 96 to current. They touched on some of it but alot of stuff happened then. But in reality this movie could easily be four hours long and still leave out stuff.

    I did get the feeling that Cameron Crowe focused on the albums he liked. But it's his project so i guess he can. Ok i admit it i wish i was Cameron Crowe for this project there i said it i'm jealous.
    My butt itches!
  • sven82sven82 Posts: 152
    vedderman wrote:
    What's the point of releasing it on bluray anyway? The picture quality is shit. This is the worst quality i have ever seen on bluray. For example Thumbing My Way or Nothing As It Seems, which were not shot in the 80's or 90's...are indigestible.

    And the movie content? Who cares about the Singles party, Headbangers Ball, Adam Sandler, Scott Stapp celebrity deathmatch,... The movie literaly jumps from 1995 to 2010. The inbetween time is just mentioned in a few words. I miss No Code/Yield/Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado era, some studio shots would be more interesting.

    Well, that's just my opinion.

    Don't know about the Blue Ray but I agree with what you wrote concerning the time gap.
    “There's no such thing as a soul. It's just something they made up to scare kids, like the boogeyman or Michael Jackson.” <em>Bart Simpson</em>
    "Never eat more than you can carry" <em>Miss Piggy</em>
    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours" <em>Stephen Roberts</em>
    "Retired? Fuck off, you're revolting. Look at your suntan, it's leather, it's like LEATHER MAN, your skin. We could make a fucking suitcase out of you. Like a crocodile, fat crocodile, fat bastard. You look like fucking Idi Amin, you know what I mean?" <em>Don Logan</em>
  • sven82 wrote:
    Don't know about the Blue Ray but I agree with what you wrote concerning the time gap.

    The time gap was fine for me. It was the first 10 years I was looking for them to dig into in the film.
    Member 164xxx

    8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13

    More to Come....
  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    vedderman wrote:
    What's the point of releasing it on bluray anyway? The picture quality is shit. This is the worst quality i have ever seen on bluray. For example Thumbing My Way or Nothing As It Seems, which were not shot in the 80's or 90's...are indigestible.

    And the movie content? Who cares about the Singles party, Headbangers Ball, Adam Sandler, Scott Stapp celebrity deathmatch,... The movie literaly jumps from 1995 to 2010. The inbetween time is just mentioned in a few words. I miss No Code/Yield/Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado era, some studio shots would be more interesting.

    Well, that's just my opinion.

    I can't comment on the bluray as I only got the standard single disc version but as for the movie.... I waited the same length of time as everyone else to watch a movie about a band I've loved for two decades and for me it was more than disappointing. 1200+ hours of footage spanning 20 years to choose from and CC decides to simply add some new interviews to a load of uninteresting MTV archives? I expected too much maybe but when the news broke about the movie it sounded like a dream come true. Honestly, go through it scene by scene and think about what could have been left on the cutting room floor and what could have replaced it. The story is really incomplete although it does have some great moments and I can only thank them for the book because I'll look at it again and again. That's just my opinion too but I never would have guessed in a hundred years I'd be bored watching a PJ movie. :|
    Like a book among the many on a shelf...

    Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
    Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
  • Dirty MosquitoDirty Mosquito Chicago Posts: 621
    sven82 wrote:
    Don't know about the Blue Ray but I agree with what you wrote concerning the time gap.

    The time gap was fine for me. It was the first 10 years I was looking for them to dig into in the film.

    I don't think there was that huge a time gap. They talked about during the Yield Era where Ed was driving himself to the shows, and showed footage rehearsing. They talked about the tragedy from 2000 quite a bit. The only time frame they may have left on IMO was Riot Act. 2006 era I think they considered pretty much now.
    Alpine Valley 06-13-99 [EV-Solo]
    Alpine Valley 10-8-00 (The Icebowl)
    Chicago 05-16-06, 05-17-06
    Lollapalooza 08-05-07
    Chicago 08-22-08 [EV Solo]
    Chicago 08-23-09, 08-24-09
    Chicago 06-28-11, 06-29-11 [EV Solo]
    PJ20 Alpine Valley 09-03-11, 09-04-11
    Wrigley Field 07-19-13
    Wrigley Field 08-20-16, 08-22-16
  • solace23solace23 Posts: 704
    Im very happy with my blu ray deluxe version.
  • Dirty MosquitoDirty Mosquito Chicago Posts: 621
    solace23 wrote:
    Im very happy with my blu ray deluxe version.

    And you are a very lucky person! :)
    Alpine Valley 06-13-99 [EV-Solo]
    Alpine Valley 10-8-00 (The Icebowl)
    Chicago 05-16-06, 05-17-06
    Lollapalooza 08-05-07
    Chicago 08-22-08 [EV Solo]
    Chicago 08-23-09, 08-24-09
    Chicago 06-28-11, 06-29-11 [EV Solo]
    PJ20 Alpine Valley 09-03-11, 09-04-11
    Wrigley Field 07-19-13
    Wrigley Field 08-20-16, 08-22-16
  • mrshock13mrshock13 Posts: 472
    Actually, while much of the old footage is grainy, and purposefully so, I must disagree with you on the quality of the blu-ray. The scenes which are newer look fantastic, i.e. interviews, newer footage, etc. I didn't go into it expecting the entire film to have a pristine blu-ray transfer. If you were expecting a 4K transfer of all of the 90's footage, then you were expecting way too much, as well as not really understanding the concept of the film. They are/were preserving those original clips of footage, as is. Yes, they could have made them top quality, but that takes a lot of time, which is something that wasn't needed for this type of a film. Hope I didn't get too technical, but there you go...
  • thefin190thefin190 Posts: 918
    DURP wrote:
    I can't comment on the blu ray i have only seen what was in PBS and on Netflix but i did enjoy the singles party and celebraty deathmatch. After watching the movie the first time i went to Hulu to see if they had that episode of deathmatch and they don't.

    I do agree with the OP about how it just jumped from 95 or 96 to current. They touched on some of it but alot of stuff happened then. But in reality this movie could easily be four hours long and still leave out stuff.

    I did get the feeling that Cameron Crowe focused on the albums he liked. But it's his project so i guess he can. Ok i admit it i wish i was Cameron Crowe for this project there i said it i'm jealous.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uev9UYZjKA

    Its kind of morbid, but I suppose every episode it.
    Member Number: 437xxx

    Pearl Jam:
    Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Sep 21, 2009
    Pacific Coliseum - Vancouver, BC - Sep 25, 2011
    Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Dec 6, 2013

    Eddie Vedder Solo:
    Benaroya Hall - Seattle, WA - Jul 15, 2011
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 95,733
    IgotshitID wrote:
    the singles party was hilarious
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,924
    I watched it on PBS and that was good enough for me didn't buy it and not planning on buying it ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,321
    vedderman wrote:
    What's the point of releasing it on bluray anyway? The picture quality is shit. This is the worst quality i have ever seen on bluray. For example Thumbing My Way or Nothing As It Seems, which were not shot in the 80's or 90's...are indigestible.

    And the movie content? Who cares about the Singles party, Headbangers Ball, Adam Sandler, Scott Stapp celebrity deathmatch,... The movie literaly jumps from 1995 to 2010. The inbetween time is just mentioned in a few words. I miss No Code/Yield/Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado era, some studio shots would be more interesting.

    Well, that's just my opinion.
    I agree. I don't know whether it's the source material, post-production, or transfer (I suspect it is all three aspects), but the picture quality is absolutely deplorable. This is understandable in the early days, but showing footage from 2006 and on with square clusters of colours like one would see on a 480i YouTube video (in my opinion) is unforgivable.

    To those of you who missed out on the Deluxe Blu-Ray set, here's what you do: you go to one of numerous torrent sites with the two bonus discs available as DVD disc images (I think this is okay to say, as the item clearly is not for sale any more). Pick a size. Any size. If the file is 700MB, it doesn't matter - save yourself the space! Next, you take that file, and if you have a thing for Blu-Ray discs, by all means, burn the video files to a Blu-Ray disc. It won't sound as good - but the amazing thing is that it actually will look as good.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • foresterforester Posts: 90
    edited January 2012
    Any version is fine with me. Backstage up close footage from 20 years ago - happy it even exists.
    Post edited by forester on
  • FeiracoFeiraco Amsterdam Posts: 255
    Marvellous documentary.
    But everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
    Rotterdam 2000 (CANCELLED) | Arnhem 2006 | Rotterdam 2009 | Berlin 2009 | Arras 2010 | Amsterdam-1 2012 | Amsterdam-2 2012 | EV Amsterdam-1 2012 | EV Amsterdam-2 2012 | Amsterdam-1 2014 | Amsterdam-2 2014 | EV Amsterdam-2 2017 | EV Amsterdam-3 2017
  • I think the only thing that was missing for me was a better explanation of the Dave A situation. Other than that, everything about it was picture perfect! :)


    If You Like Crunchy Guitar Riffs, Powerful Vocals, Melodic Guitar Solos, And Meaningful Lyrics..then you need to check out one of the most refreshing new hard rock bands in quite some time...-->The Liberty Underground<--
  • UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    I came out dissappointed after watching PJ20......I have no issues with the picture quality (loved the early footage), but the documentary itself seemed like a poorly written essay. Dwelled a little too much on Mother Love Bone/Andy, blazed by years at a time, weak attempt (if you can even call it that) at explaining the drumming history, and like 10 minutes of straight footage from the Italy DVD as well......blah
  • UpSideDown wrote:
    I came out dissappointed after watching PJ20......I have no issues with the picture quality (loved the early footage), but the documentary itself seemed like a poorly written essay. Dwelled a little too much on Mother Love Bone/Andy, blazed by years at a time, weak attempt (if you can even call it that) at explaining the drumming history, and like 10 minutes of straight footage from the Italy DVD as well......blah

    Yeah these are all valid criticisms. Considering Eddie IS Pearl Jam. I would have liked more about pre-PJ Eddie than Andy Wood. And like you, I wish they properly explained the drummers as opposed to how they did it. That all said, some of the vintage footage is awesome and I wouldn't part with the Blu-Ray.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    UpSideDown wrote:
    I came out dissappointed after watching PJ20......I have no issues with the picture quality (loved the early footage), but the documentary itself seemed like a poorly written essay. Dwelled a little too much on Mother Love Bone/Andy, blazed by years at a time, weak attempt (if you can even call it that) at explaining the drumming history, and like 10 minutes of straight footage from the Italy DVD as well......blah

    spot on.

    zero balance between eras, and they seemed to breeze right past the most "interesting" ones.

    edit: i have no problems with the picture quality. hell... i LOVED touring band's feel and look and you can't get grainier than that.
  • MissJam81MissJam81 Posts: 1,878
    vedderman wrote:
    What's the point of releasing it on bluray anyway? The picture quality is shit. This is the worst quality i have ever seen on bluray. For example Thumbing My Way or Nothing As It Seems, which were not shot in the 80's or 90's...are indigestible.

    And the movie content? Who cares about the Singles party, Headbangers Ball, Adam Sandler, Scott Stapp celebrity deathmatch,... The movie literaly jumps from 1995 to 2010. The inbetween time is just mentioned in a few words. I miss No Code/Yield/Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado era, some studio shots would be more interesting.

    Well, that's just my opinion.

    I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I personally loved every bit of the movie, I think the history makes up for the poor quality of some bits of it. I think the whole movie was amazingly put together, produced, it made me cry, laugh... Ive seen it about 5 times, and never have enough of it. :)
    Wendy Testaburger

    " we're going to take this to some level that people aren't going to forget... and if that means risking your life, we're going to do it!..." EV

    "
  • HamauryHamaury Posts: 189
    I loved the movie, but there were two things that bothered me:

    1. How they don`t talk about Dave. A and Jack Irons. They don`t interview them, nothing. It was as if they weren`t even part of the band.

    2.Boom. Also, didn`t say much about Boom, where they found him, why they add his as a fix support member.

    The rest was great
    04/12/05 - Rio de Janeiro
    06/11/11 - Rio de Janeiro

    "Come Back"
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,432
    I was entertained by it enough, but it wasn't that great of a PJ documentary. I wasn't expecting any dirt on the drummer issue or Mike's drug problems or times when they didn't get along that well. I just think it was too much of a PJ infomercial. The most in depth they got was when talking about Andy Wood, when that realistically should've have gotten a passing mention.

    I literally didn't feel like I learned a thing about the band. It seemed like they were trying to enhance their legacy more than anything.

    Some cool bonus footage, though and the book did give more detail throughout their career.
Sign In or Register to comment.