All hail the great and wise King Obama

bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
edited January 2012 in A Moving Train
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/201 ... of-powers/

A Blatant, Frontal Assault on the Constitutional Separation of Powers

Posted by Leon H. Wolf (Diary)

Wednesday, January 4th at 9:03PM EST

Regarding the power of the President, Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution states:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

The Senate’s power to pass on all appointments of Officers of the United States is explicitly enshrined in the Constitution. The one and only exception to this Congressional power occurs when the Senate is in recess. Despite the fact that, according to the Senate, the Senate is most emphatically not in recess, and despite the fact that they have been meeting every two days even over the holiday, the Obama administration has taken it upon themselves to declare that the Senate is in fact in recess and has made recess appointments to both the NRLB and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

Consider the astonishing timeline here – Obama submitted the names of his proposed appointments two weeks ago - two weeks ago - there has been no filibuster of the appointments; there hasn’t even been a cloture vote scheduled. The Senate hasn’t taken any action one way or another because there’s this holiday that happens in the last two weeks of December that some Americans celebrate, but Reid has kept the Senate in pro forma session, including regular meetings, to preserve the Senate’s prerogative to advise and consent on Obama’s nominees, as it is absolutely and beyond caveat the Senate’s prerogative to do. Thus, despite the fact that the Senate isn’t even dragging its feet on these appointments, and despite the fact that the Senate has been adamant that it is not in recess, Obama has arrogated to himself the power to declare the Senate in recess for them and short circuit the entire Constitutional process for Senate confirmation of Constitutional officers.

This is nothing less than an assault by President Obama on the entire institution of the Senate. And it appears to serve no purpose other than Obama telling the Senate that he will do whatever he darn well pleases.

I can safely say that this is the ballsiest thing I have ever seen a President do that served absolutely no meaningful purpose at all. If Congress – and I am including Congressional Democrats in this – takes this lying down, it will set a breathtaking precedent and instantaneously demolish a significant part of Congress’ relevance. Consider that if Congress allows this to stand, then the next Republican President might just announce Jay Sekulow for his next SCOTUS appointment, and then two weeks later when the Senate breaks for the weekend, declare them in recess and appoint him to the Court. If Democrats consider this to be an undesirable view of the future, I would suggest that they figure out a way to cooperate with Republicans in making Obama pay a very real price for this blatant slap at their constitutional authority.
"The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
— Socrates

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  • AND NOBODY ON THIS PEARL JAM SITE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVERYTHING OBAMA HAS DONE IS WORSE THAN BUSH!

    IF SOMEBODY DIDNT LIKE BUSH CAUSE OF HIS SPENDING OR THE PATRIOT ACT....SHIT THAT WAS NOTHING!

    OBAMA IS 50 TIMES WORSE ON BOTH OF THEM!

    OBAMA HAS EXPANDED THE POWERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVT. LIKE NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY! HOW COULD ANYONE THINK ITS GOOD? INSANE!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
    AND NOBODY ON THIS PEARL JAM SITE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVERYTHING OBAMA HAS DONE IS WORSE THAN BUSH!

    IF SOMEBODY DIDNT LIKE BUSH CAUSE OF HIS SPENDING OR THE PATRIOT ACT....SHIT THAT WAS NOTHING!

    OBAMA IS 50 TIMES WORSE ON BOTH OF THEM!

    OBAMA HAS EXPANDED THE POWERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVT. LIKE NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY! HOW COULD ANYONE THINK ITS GOOD? INSANE!


    /hattip
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
    — Socrates

  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    AND NOBODY ON THIS PEARL JAM SITE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVERYTHING OBAMA HAS DONE IS WORSE THAN BUSH!

    IF SOMEBODY DIDNT LIKE BUSH CAUSE OF HIS SPENDING OR THE PATRIOT ACT....SHIT THAT WAS NOTHING!

    OBAMA IS 50 TIMES WORSE ON BOTH OF THEM!

    OBAMA HAS EXPANDED THE POWERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVT. LIKE NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY! HOW COULD ANYONE THINK ITS GOOD? INSANE!


    this isn't true, i can think of three people off the top of my head who will acknowledge Obama is worse than Bush :lol::lol::lol: i'm not one of them.
  • KatKat Posts: 4,905
    All caps is considered screaming and very rude. Please take off your caps locks for posting. Thank you.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    this thread should run for a while :lol: even the the people that voted him in changed their minds about him ..but still support him just out of self pride.

    Godfather.
  • CallawayCallaway Posts: 635
    edited January 2012
    AND NOBODY ON THIS PEARL JAM SITE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVERYTHING OBAMA HAS DONE IS WORSE THAN BUSH!

    IF SOMEBODY DIDNT LIKE BUSH CAUSE OF HIS SPENDING OR THE PATRIOT ACT....SHIT THAT WAS NOTHING!

    OBAMA IS 50 TIMES WORSE ON BOTH OF THEM!

    OBAMA HAS EXPANDED THE POWERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVT. LIKE NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY! HOW COULD ANYONE THINK ITS GOOD? INSANE!

    No I didn't like Bush because he killed little kids and innocent people for money and greed just like Hitler killed innocents. Only Hitler did it because he was an insane nut. Bush is just a racist evil man who was also one dumb mother fucker. I hope the ignorant fucker dies and dies soon.
  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Kat wrote:
    All caps is considered screaming and very rude. Please take off your caps locks for posting. Thank you.

    +1
  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
    CH156378 wrote:
    Kat wrote:
    All caps is considered screaming and very rude. Please take off your caps locks for posting. Thank you.

    +1


    you know what they say see something say something, good job mister forum police officer sir
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
    — Socrates

  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    Ahhhh, good to see the old, BUSH = HITLER (Kat - using caps to draw attention, not screaming. ;)). I've missed it.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Godfather. wrote:
    this thread should run for a while :lol: even the the people that voted him in changed their minds about him ..but still support him just out of self pride.

    Godfather.


    True up to the self pride, i still support him because who else is there? Maybe Mitt Romney, but i'd like to see him debate Obama before making that choice.
  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    edited January 2012
    Callaway wrote:
    AND NOBODY ON THIS PEARL JAM SITE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVERYTHING OBAMA HAS DONE IS WORSE THAN BUSH!

    IF SOMEBODY DIDNT LIKE BUSH CAUSE OF HIS SPENDING OR THE PATRIOT ACT....SHIT THAT WAS NOTHING!

    OBAMA IS 50 TIMES WORSE ON BOTH OF THEM!

    OBAMA HAS EXPANDED THE POWERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVT. LIKE NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY! HOW COULD ANYONE THINK ITS GOOD? INSANE!

    No I didn't like Bush because he killed little kids and innocent people for money and greed just like Hitler killed innocents. Only Hitler did it because he was an insane nut. Bush is just a racist evil man who was also one dumb mother fucker. I hope the ignorant fucker dies and dies soon.
    I'm no Bush fan but he was definitely not a racist. I also, most of the time, would never hope someone would die and die soon.

    Have you seen his track record for finding the cure for AIDS? He played a big part in the US helping the world find the cure for AIDS. That doesn't sound evil to me at all and something Hitler would never do in a million years.
    Post edited by Newch91 on
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  • CallawayCallaway Posts: 635
    Ahhhh, good to see the old, BUSH = HITLER (Kat - using caps to draw attention, not screaming. ;)). I've missed it.

    I know it's cool isn't it :D !! When two people are similar like an Al Pacino and Robert De Niro or a Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods and Adolf Hitler an George Bush, you just link the two and compare them. In this case it's comparing two devil ridden murders.



    Bye bye :wave:
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Newch91 wrote:
    I'm no Bush fan but he was definitely not a racist. I also would never hope someone would die and die soon.

    Have you seen his track record for finding the cure for AIDS? He played a big part in the US helping the world find the cure for AIDS. That doesn't sound evil to me at all and something Hitler would never do in a million years.

    but his religious approach to foreign aid in developing countries probably caused more damage due to HIV ... but i digress ...

    my opinion is that both bush and obama were being played by the establishment ... the main difference being that bush wanted to be played ... while obama is doing what he needs to do to survive ... still a failure in every aspect but all things being equal ... i'd take obama over bush any day ...
  • marcosmarcos Posts: 2,112
    polaris_x wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    I'm no Bush fan but he was definitely not a racist. I also would never hope someone would die and die soon.

    Have you seen his track record for finding the cure for AIDS? He played a big part in the US helping the world find the cure for AIDS. That doesn't sound evil to me at all and something Hitler would never do in a million years.

    but his religious approach to foreign aid in developing countries probably caused more damage due to HIV ... but i digress ...

    my opinion is that both bush and obama were being played by the establishment ... the main difference being that bush wanted to be played ... while obama is doing what he needs to do to survive ... still a failure in every aspect but all things being equal ... i'd take obama over bush any day ...

    Didn't think it would come down to lesser of two evils thing with Obama but it has and will in November.
  • RFTCRFTC Posts: 723
    yawn, recess appointees happen every admin, check the facts not faux news or redgarbagestate.com :lol: and i live in one :roll:
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    this thread should run for a while :lol: even the the people that voted him in changed their minds about him ..but still support him just out of self pride.

    Godfather.


    True up to the self pride, i still support him because who else is there? Maybe Mitt Romney, but i'd like to see him debate Obama before making that choice.
    we can't support someone just because they are the lesser of two evils....shit this might be the first time sense I was 18 that I may not vote...thats a lie :D I'll vote for someone. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    bigdvs wrote:
    http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2012/01/04/a-blatant-frontal-assault-on-the-constitutional-separation-of-powers/

    A Blatant, Frontal Assault on the Constitutional Separation of Powers

    Posted by Leon H. Wolf (Diary)

    Wednesday, January 4th at 9:03PM EST

    Regarding the power of the President, Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution states:

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

    The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

    The Senate’s power to pass on all appointments of Officers of the United States is explicitly enshrined in the Constitution. The one and only exception to this Congressional power occurs when the Senate is in recess. Despite the fact that, according to the Senate, the Senate is most emphatically not in recess, and despite the fact that they have been meeting every two days even over the holiday, the Obama administration has taken it upon themselves to declare that the Senate is in fact in recess and has made recess appointments to both the NRLB and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

    Consider the astonishing timeline here – Obama submitted the names of his proposed appointments two weeks ago - two weeks ago - there has been no filibuster of the appointments; there hasn’t even been a cloture vote scheduled. The Senate hasn’t taken any action one way or another because there’s this holiday that happens in the last two weeks of December that some Americans celebrate, but Reid has kept the Senate in pro forma session, including regular meetings, to preserve the Senate’s prerogative to advise and consent on Obama’s nominees, as it is absolutely and beyond caveat the Senate’s prerogative to do. Thus, despite the fact that the Senate isn’t even dragging its feet on these appointments, and despite the fact that the Senate has been adamant that it is not in recess, Obama has arrogated to himself the power to declare the Senate in recess for them and short circuit the entire Constitutional process for Senate confirmation of Constitutional officers.

    This is nothing less than an assault by President Obama on the entire institution of the Senate. And it appears to serve no purpose other than Obama telling the Senate that he will do whatever he darn well pleases.

    I can safely say that this is the ballsiest thing I have ever seen a President do that served absolutely no meaningful purpose at all. If Congress – and I am including Congressional Democrats in this – takes this lying down, it will set a breathtaking precedent and instantaneously demolish a significant part of Congress’ relevance. Consider that if Congress allows this to stand, then the next Republican President might just announce Jay Sekulow for his next SCOTUS appointment, and then two weeks later when the Senate breaks for the weekend, declare them in recess and appoint him to the Court. If Democrats consider this to be an undesirable view of the future, I would suggest that they figure out a way to cooperate with Republicans in making Obama pay a very real price for this blatant slap at their constitutional authority.

    ooooh, a redstate diary....thanks for posting... :yawn:
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    RFTC wrote:
    yawn, recess appointees happen every admin, check the facts not faux news or redgarbagestate.com :lol: and i live in one :roll:
    exactly.

    actually obama has done less recess appoinments than anyone in recent history. look it up.

    what is he going to do, just let the senate continue to block his appointees just because they can?

    scott brown, a republican, came out in support of this move. i guess he really is threatened in november...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    RFTC wrote:
    yawn, recess appointees happen every admin, check the facts not faux news or redgarbagestate.com :lol: and i live in one :roll:

    I think the issue some have with this one is that technically the senate was in session

    pro forma session I believe it is called

    doesn't worry me enough to look it up

    I heard something about it this morning on the news I wasn't paying much attention.
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  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    scott brown, a republican, came out in support of this move. i guess he really is threatened in november...
    That's because he knows he's going to lose to Elizabeth Warren in November.
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  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
    Newch91 wrote:
    scott brown, a republican, came out in support of this move. i guess he really is threatened in november...
    That's because he knows he's going to lose to Elizabeth Warren in November.

    are you all trolling and derailing my thread
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
    — Socrates

  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    bigdvs wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    scott brown, a republican, came out in support of this move. i guess he really is threatened in november...
    That's because he knows he's going to lose to Elizabeth Warren in November.

    are you all trolling and derailing my thread

    It doesn't appear that he was. This thread derailed when recess appointments were deemed out of the ordinary all of a sudden.
  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    RFTC wrote:
    yawn, recess appointees happen every admin, check the facts not faux news or redgarbagestate.com :lol: and i live in one :roll:
    exactly.

    actually obama has done less recess appoinments than anyone in recent history. look it up.

    what is he going to do, just let the senate continue to block his appointees just because they can?

    scott brown, a republican, came out in support of this move. i guess he really is threatened in november...

    This Scott Brown?
    http://godsownparty.com/blog/wp-content ... -Cosmo.jpg
  • RFTC wrote:
    yawn, recess appointees happen every admin, check the facts not faux news or redgarbagestate.com :lol: and i live in one :roll:


    No offense, but get YOUR facts right.

    They're NOT in recess.
  • inmytree wrote:
    bigdvs wrote:
    http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2012/01/04/a-blatant-frontal-assault-on-the-constitutional-separation-of-powers/

    A Blatant, Frontal Assault on the Constitutional Separation of Powers

    Posted by Leon H. Wolf (Diary)

    Wednesday, January 4th at 9:03PM EST

    Regarding the power of the President, Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution states:

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

    The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

    The Senate’s power to pass on all appointments of Officers of the United States is explicitly enshrined in the Constitution. The one and only exception to this Congressional power occurs when the Senate is in recess. Despite the fact that, according to the Senate, the Senate is most emphatically not in recess, and despite the fact that they have been meeting every two days even over the holiday, the Obama administration has taken it upon themselves to declare that the Senate is in fact in recess and has made recess appointments to both the NRLB and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

    Consider the astonishing timeline here – Obama submitted the names of his proposed appointments two weeks ago - two weeks ago - there has been no filibuster of the appointments; there hasn’t even been a cloture vote scheduled. The Senate hasn’t taken any action one way or another because there’s this holiday that happens in the last two weeks of December that some Americans celebrate, but Reid has kept the Senate in pro forma session, including regular meetings, to preserve the Senate’s prerogative to advise and consent on Obama’s nominees, as it is absolutely and beyond caveat the Senate’s prerogative to do. Thus, despite the fact that the Senate isn’t even dragging its feet on these appointments, and despite the fact that the Senate has been adamant that it is not in recess, Obama has arrogated to himself the power to declare the Senate in recess for them and short circuit the entire Constitutional process for Senate confirmation of Constitutional officers.

    This is nothing less than an assault by President Obama on the entire institution of the Senate. And it appears to serve no purpose other than Obama telling the Senate that he will do whatever he darn well pleases.

    I can safely say that this is the ballsiest thing I have ever seen a President do that served absolutely no meaningful purpose at all. If Congress – and I am including Congressional Democrats in this – takes this lying down, it will set a breathtaking precedent and instantaneously demolish a significant part of Congress’ relevance. Consider that if Congress allows this to stand, then the next Republican President might just announce Jay Sekulow for his next SCOTUS appointment, and then two weeks later when the Senate breaks for the weekend, declare them in recess and appoint him to the Court. If Democrats consider this to be an undesirable view of the future, I would suggest that they figure out a way to cooperate with Republicans in making Obama pay a very real price for this blatant slap at their constitutional authority.

    ooooh, a redstate diary....thanks for posting... :yawn:


    Don't feel bad about not reading it... it was WAY over your head anyway...

    Constitution and all...
  • mikepegg44 wrote:
    RFTC wrote:
    yawn, recess appointees happen every admin, check the facts not faux news or redgarbagestate.com :lol: and i live in one :roll:

    I think the issue some have with this one is that technically the senate was in session

    pro forma session I believe it is called

    doesn't worry me enough to look it up

    I heard something about it this morning on the news I wasn't paying much attention.


    Don't worry about it...

    Just Obama violating the Constitution agaiin...

    Just tyranny... let's all keep dancing.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I think the more our democracy and society declines, the greater the need for a dictatorship or perhaps a monarchy. So I'm all for a King. Our citizens don't deserve their freedoms.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    RFTC wrote:
    yawn, recess appointees happen every admin, check the facts not faux news or redgarbagestate.com :lol: and i live in one :roll:


    No offense, but get YOUR facts right.

    They're NOT in recess.

    Well then as a taxpayer you should be outraged. If they're in session for a matter of a few seconds every day and not doing a single thing but gaveling in every four days, you should be outraged.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    It doesn't appear that he was. This thread derailed when recess appointments were deemed out of the ordinary all of a sudden.
    thank you.

    that is exactly why i said what i said. it as relevent to the topic...

    recess apointments are normal procedure for any president.

    is is a dick move? yes, but so is what the senate is doing.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • RFTC wrote:
    yawn, recess appointees happen every admin, check the facts not faux news or redgarbagestate.com :lol: and i live in one :roll:


    No offense, but get YOUR facts right.

    They're NOT in recess.

    Well then as a taxpayer you should be outraged. If they're in session for a matter of a few seconds every day and not doing a single thing but gaveling in every four days, you should be outraged.


    Brother, you said it.

    The only entity I AM more outraged at than the President is this god-awful Congress.
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