Right to Work States

Jason P
Jason P Posts: 19,327
edited February 2012 in A Moving Train
Indiana is preparing legislation to become a right-to-work state. The democrat senators appear ready to go hide in Illinois to stop it.

As far as I understand it, a right-to-work state allows an employee to work in a unionized workplace but they are not forced to pay union dues.

http://news.yahoo.com/ind-house-dems-plan-stay-session-205817235.html

If you are working in an environment where unions are providing you an excellent service, why wouldn't you pay the dues?

I'm sure the local news stations are going to benefit from all the out-of-state money that will be pouring in to fight it.
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  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Jason P wrote:
    Indiana is preparing legislation to become a right-to-work state. The democrat senators appear ready to go hide in Illinois to stop it.

    As far as I understand it, a right-to-work state allows an employee to work in a unionized workplace but they are not forced to pay union dues.

    http://news.yahoo.com/ind-house-dems-plan-stay-session-205817235.html

    If you are working in an environment where unions are providing you an excellent service, why wouldn't you pay the dues?

    I'm sure the local news stations are going to benefit from all the out-of-state money that will be pouring in to fight it.

    Why should I have to pay union dues? I work in a union environment and if I didn't have to pay dues I wouldn't. My UNION SUCKS!!! I wish that type of legislation would end up here.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    On the other hand, why should you be forced to join a union to get a job?


    I work in a union manufacturing plant in a right to work state. It works pretty good with only about 48-52% due paying members. Sure their is some animosity at times. But all in all, it allows people to get jobs and then decide themselves if they want to join the union.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jason P wrote:
    Indiana is preparing legislation to become a right-to-work state. The democrat senators appear ready to go hide in Illinois to stop it.

    As far as I understand it, a right-to-work state allows an employee to work in a unionized workplace but they are not forced to pay union dues.

    http://news.yahoo.com/ind-house-dems-plan-stay-session-205817235.html

    If you are working in an environment where unions are providing you an excellent service, why wouldn't you pay the dues?

    I'm sure the local news stations are going to benefit from all the out-of-state money that will be pouring in to fight it.

    If you are working in an environment where unions are providing you an excellent service, why wouldn't you pay the dues?

    this is the crux of it for me. If they are providing a service that is equal to the amount of money they charge...then they would be supported.
    Why is it ok for unions to donate millions to politicians re-election campaigns but corporations aren't able to?
    For all the good the unions have done in our country's history...I shutter to think what 100 more years of unions will do
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited January 2012
    Jason P wrote:
    Indiana is preparing legislation to become a right-to-work state. The democrat senators appear ready to go hide in Illinois to stop it.

    As far as I understand it, a right-to-work state allows an employee to work in a unionized workplace but they are not forced to pay union dues.

    http://news.yahoo.com/ind-house-dems-plan-stay-session-205817235.html

    If you are working in an environment where unions are providing you an excellent service, why wouldn't you pay the dues?

    I'm sure the local news stations are going to benefit from all the out-of-state money that will be pouring in to fight it.
    depends on the union local but "right to work states" are a union nightmere,over time is based on any time worked after 40 hours and this means you could be working saturday and sunday for straight time on those days and you can forget about hoilday hours and pay and it lowers the pay scale in most cases,there a few glitches with the right to work idea for the worker but it's a win win for the business and corprate companys and dues are a whole other issue, unions are a business and I can tell you for fact that their bottom line is the dollar so when it's all said and done they will send you packing if means saving a union shop and its income for the union...take a look at the AFLCIO and how much they contribute to political partys, they're a very powerful union and got it all off the backs of their union members, good points and not so good points you have to choose what works best for you and for me it's union.

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    not sure about the union dues thing, but my understanding of a "right to work" state is that employers in "right to work" states can fire your ass without reason...

    as for the union thing, if one reaping the benefits brought about by the Union, they should pay there fair share, which here means: dues....
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    inmytree wrote:
    not sure about the union dues thing, but my understanding of a "right to work" state is that employers in "right to work" states can fire your ass without reason...

    as for the union thing, if one reaping the benefits brought about by the Union, they should pay there fair share, which here means: dues....


    benefits being what exactly?

    a system of hierarchy based on how long someone has been employed rather than the merit of their work? not getting raises year in year out so lazy employees in the hierarchy are kept as people lower on the pole are laid off? Or so that 87 million of those dues can go to support candidates in elections that then scratch the back of union BOSSES rather than the actual union members who work hard...

    Seems like if a union offered a product worth purchasing no one would complain. I am sure there would be people willing to pay those dues...

    let's look at another forced payment: income tax...if everyone is going to reap the benefits of the government than everyone should pay income tax right? It is the same with unions, the benefits are more for some and less for others and yet everyone pays the same...might not be the best analogy, but it isn't the worst either. The only thing I know is Union bosses are terrified of people having a choice...
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    not sure about the union dues thing, but my understanding of a "right to work" state is that employers in "right to work" states can fire your ass without reason...

    as for the union thing, if one reaping the benefits brought about by the Union, they should pay there fair share, which here means: dues....


    benefits being what exactly?

    a system of hierarchy based on how long someone has been employed rather than the merit of their work? not getting raises year in year out so lazy employees in the hierarchy are kept as people lower on the pole are laid off? Or so that 87 million of those dues can go to support candidates in elections that then scratch the back of union BOSSES rather than the actual union members who work hard...

    Seems like if a union offered a product worth purchasing no one would complain. I am sure there would be people willing to pay those dues...

    let's look at another forced payment: income tax...if everyone is going to reap the benefits of the government than everyone should pay income tax right? It is the same with unions, the benefits are more for some and less for others and yet everyone pays the same...might not be the best analogy, but it isn't the worst either. The only thing I know is Union bosses are terrified of people having a choice...

    I get the sense that you don't care for unions...anyhoo, my point is, if an employee receives benefits like lower insurance premiums or more vacation time or overtime pay in situations that didn't previously receive OT, then that employee should pay dues...plain and simple...

    I know you want to peel the onion since you have an obvious bias against unions...that's fine, I'm looking at the front line issues...
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    back in my day unions were the shit... they were great and got employees awesome benefits
    and retirement but I think did they get to big for their breeches maybe??

    Having moved to The South 20 + years ago can't say we have had any experience with Unions
    since Wisconsin days.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    inmytree wrote:
    not sure about the union dues thing, but my understanding of a "right to work" state is that employers in "right to work" states can fire your ass without reason...

    as for the union thing, if one reaping the benefits brought about by the Union, they should pay there fair share, which here means: dues....
    my dues are $17 and some change per week and yes in a right to work state you have no real protection from the union but in a union(and most cases a "good ol' boys club") this is a problem because most union stewarts are as lazy as the day is long but all they have to do is very little work to keep their jobs and those of the other lazy ass union members who don't work ..all protected by the union and the contract between them and the company...these people give the union a bad rap.

    Godfather.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    inmytree wrote:
    they should pay there fair share,

    [/quote]


    Oh shit, you've been brainwashed. Spouting the same bs.

    In reality, I believe a right to work state is the best option. Unions can be in place if the employees want it and then each employee has the option of whether or not they want to support the union.

    Having to join a union when you start a new job is like having to buy beer for $10 at a baseball game. You don't want to, but you don't have any choice if you want to drink.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Question: Do all union members pay the same dues no matter who long they have been working?
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    inmytree wrote:
    not sure about the union dues thing, but my understanding of a "right to work" state is that employers in "right to work" states can fire your ass without reason...

    as for the union thing, if one reaping the benefits brought about by the Union, they should pay there fair share, which here means: dues....
    as for the taxpayer thing, if one reaping the benefits brought about by the Federal Government, they should pay there fair share, which here means: taxes....

    :think:
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Jason P wrote:
    Question: Do all union members pay the same dues no matter who long they have been working?

    At my place of employment, yes.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jason P wrote:
    Question: Do all union members pay the same dues no matter who long they have been working?
    no, union dues are different from union to union and the dues for each union are the same for all members of that union no matter how long they have been working that union,,,butif they're not working the dues are much lower,our is $3 a month for out of work members.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    how many of you are union members ?
    and what union ?
    Godfather.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Godfather. wrote:
    how many of you are union members ?
    and what union ?
    Godfather.

    I am here...Canadian Union Of Public Employees...an absolutely shit union that does nothing constructive, protects the doggers. If I didn't have to pay dues I wouldn't.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Godfather. wrote:
    how many of you are union members ?
    and what union ?
    Godfather.


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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Jason P wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    not sure about the union dues thing, but my understanding of a "right to work" state is that employers in "right to work" states can fire your ass without reason...

    as for the union thing, if one reaping the benefits brought about by the Union, they should pay there fair share, which here means: dues....
    as for the taxpayer thing, if one reaping the benefits brought about by the Federal Government, they should pay there fair share, which here means: taxes....

    :think:

    :lol: I guess everything is equal and the same, it's amusing how you feel taxes and union dues are exactly the same...anyhoo, so you finally agree to raise taxes on the wealthy...for once we agree... :lol:

    oh wait, I'm guessing you're talking about those who make 8 bucks an hour...fine, raise taxes on them, all problems will be solved... :eh:
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    cincybearcat wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    they should pay there fair share,


    Oh shit, you've been brainwashed. Spouting the same bs.

    In reality, I believe a right to work state is the best option. Unions can be in place if the employees want it and then each employee has the option of whether or not they want to support the union.

    Having to join a union when you start a new job is like having to buy beer for $10 at a baseball game. You don't want to, but you don't have any choice if you want to drink.[/quote]

    um. sure...

    you know best...unions = $10 beer...

    thanks for sharing your braincleaned ways...everything is so much clearer now... :D

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