he could not be liberal because he could not risk the embarrassing defeat from the blue dogs and the gop. the first rule of politics is never ask for more than you know you can get. especially when you are going against a congress that is not going to work with you at all... embarrassing defeats make for a certain loss at the next election. this is why the tea party is on the ropes in opinion polls right now. they demand more than they know they can get.
as far as the other stuff, i believe that he would be better than any republcan going into the white house. we do not need a constitutional amendment to define marriage, as is a gop principle, the gop will never stop the war on drugs, and most of the gop candidates have gone on record saying they will attack IRAN and spend MORE money on the military. the failure of the supercommittee has cut military spending. see how the gop is trying to get around cutting the pentagon? obama has threatened to veto anything undermining the cuts that came about due to the supercommittee failure. i do trust that obama is smart enough to not go into iran. but then again we are drone attacking pakistan so maybe i am wrong.
how can he get people back to work? "job creators" have had ample time to create jobs with the bush tax cuts and they have not done it.
i wanted him to succeed. but you have to admit, he has had unprecented opposition from a gop who said on day one their main goal is to make him a one term president. and let's not forget about the record number of filibusters in the senate this term as well.
i just don't see how ron paul, or any single person can accomplish anything in this current environment.
Obama hasnt been liberal enough? He hasnt been liberal or left wing AT ALL. AT ALL. He isnt a left winger. Never was. Never was anti war. Never was anti Iraq or afghnaistan war. Never was. He's never been for gay marriage. Never been for ending the drug war and ending the racist policies that result from it, DESPITE saying his favorite show is The wire. He;s never been for getting people back to work and getting them jobs.
Somewhere along the line, i think people assumed just because someone is a good speaker and is young that they will be different from past politicians. I think the proof was in the pudding in this case. I wish he would have proved me wrong. but the reason i voted for nader and not Obama was precisely because i knew this to be true. i knew he wasnt going to end the war. I knew he was just another politician.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
im not sure what id do. but i think obama had his chance. he's had 3 years to do something and hasnt changed or altered anything. his policies have been lock step with bush on foreign policy and much of everything else. Im curious and baffled why anyone thinks another 4 years of this garbage and lies is going to alter anything. You think in 2012, obamas going to suddenly wake up and say, "i will be left wing now, i fooled you all, you all thought i was centrist, but i fooled you". I wish it would happen. But it wont.
Ron Paul, on my first post i stated my major problems with his policies. hes not perfect. He is a politican after all He's not the perfect candidate. Its quite possible if he was elected, ron paul that is, that he'd be worse than obama on everything. all im curious about, specifically with obamas current supporters, is why you think if things are this bad in 2012, why would they change under another 4 years of obama? We are engaged in wars and have the worst economy since the great depression. What has obama done, at all, that has made anyone, think he was aiming to fix things and change things and make things better? Its throwing good money after bad. I dont think the answer to the worlds problems is ron paul. But i also quite clearly dont think the answer to our problems is another 4 years of obama.
Obams is a one term president. he will be remembered for being the first black president, and maybe that speech on race, the killing of bin laden, but in terms of the country and the world, i dont see him being anything other than a footnote and being viewed as a person who fiddled while rome burned
he could not be liberal because he could not risk the embarrassing defeat from the blue dogs and the gop. the first rule of politics is never ask for more than you know you can get. especially when you are going against a congress that is not going to work with you at all... embarrassing defeats make for a certain loss at the next election. this is why the tea party is on the ropes in opinion polls right now. they demand more than they know they can get.
as far as the other stuff, i believe that he would be better than any republcan going into the white house. we do not need a constitutional amendment to define marriage, as is a gop principle, the gop will never stop the war on drugs, and most of the gop candidates have gone on record saying they will attack IRAN and spend MORE money on the military. the failure of the supercommittee has cut military spending. see how the gop is trying to get around cutting the pentagon? obama has threatened to veto anything undermining the cuts that came about due to the supercommittee failure. i do trust that obama is smart enough to not go into iran. but then again we are drone attacking pakistan so maybe i am wrong.
how can he get people back to work? "job creators" have had ample time to create jobs with the bush tax cuts and they have not done it.
i wanted him to succeed. but you have to admit, he has had unprecented opposition from a gop who said on day one their main goal is to make him a one term president. and let's not forget about the record number of filibusters in the senate this term as well.
i just don't see how ron paul, or any single person can accomplish anything in this current environment.
Obama hasnt been liberal enough? He hasnt been liberal or left wing AT ALL. AT ALL. He isnt a left winger. Never was. Never was anti war. Never was anti Iraq or afghnaistan war. Never was. He's never been for gay marriage. Never been for ending the drug war and ending the racist policies that result from it, DESPITE saying his favorite show is The wire. He;s never been for getting people back to work and getting them jobs.
Somewhere along the line, i think people assumed just because someone is a good speaker and is young that they will be different from past politicians. I think the proof was in the pudding in this case. I wish he would have proved me wrong. but the reason i voted for nader and not Obama was precisely because i knew this to be true. i knew he wasnt going to end the war. I knew he was just another politician.
i guess where you and i differ is i really have no patience or use for anyone involved in politics. Ive had it up to here with politics, the political system, the 2 party system, the whole charade, and it really is a charade. Im not interested in a candidate who plays the political game. Do you know who funded obamas campaign? the same people that funded every other president campaign in modern history. The corporations.
im not sure what id do. but i think obama had his chance. he's had 3 years to do something and hasnt changed or altered anything. his policies have been lock step with bush on foreign policy and much of everything else. Im curious and baffled why anyone thinks another 4 years of this garbage and lies is going to alter anything. You think in 2012, obamas going to suddenly wake up and say, "i will be left wing now, i fooled you all, you all thought i was centrist, but i fooled you". I wish it would happen. But it wont.
Ron Paul, on my first post i stated my major problems with his policies. hes not perfect. He is a politican after all He's not the perfect candidate. Its quite possible if he was elected, ron paul that is, that he'd be worse than obama on everything. all im curious about, specifically with obamas current supporters, is why you think if things are this bad in 2012, why would they change under another 4 years of obama? We are engaged in wars and have the worst economy since the great depression. What has obama done, at all, that has made anyone, think he was aiming to fix things and change things and make things better? Its throwing good money after bad. I dont think the answer to the worlds problems is ron paul. But i also quite clearly dont think the answer to our problems is another 4 years of obama.
Obams is a one term president. he will be remembered for being the first black president, and maybe that speech on race, the killing of bin laden, but in terms of the country and the world, i dont see him being anything other than a footnote and being viewed as a person who fiddled while rome burned
you seem to be getting a little ahead of yourself. it's not exactly paul vs. obama yet. i sure as fuck would vote obama over pretty much any other republican. fucking proud of it. love that kool-aid.
more specifically, i think the question is, has obama done anything to deserve a second term? has he done or said anything that suggest another 4 years will make this country a better place? i think the answer is self evident
i think it should be seen as a referdum on obama in the last 4 years, or 4 years when the election happens, are our troops better off now that obama is in charge? will they be better off if he's reelected? our policy on torture and treatment of detainees, are they and we better off under obama? gay rights, are we all better off with obama and his stances on it? The economy, has the economy and the job situation improved under obama, will it improve if relected/. what is his plan to get everyone working again, and fix the economy?
i guess the question becomes, i am a radical. and maybe im out of touch in that aspect with most americans. but i do think, my stance on politics and elections mirrors most americans views. I think people, see washington and politicians and elections and see alot of people promising to do things they never do, and the country continuing to slide from us, the economy continuing to tank, politicians who continue to send our troops in wars the american public opposes.
i think its a given, most people in america are unhappy with the way this country is headed. Across party lines as well. I dont think conservatives are pleased with left wingers, but i also dont think they are pleased with their own side as well. same for democrats. the man in charge the last 3 years has been obama. He's gotten to call the shots. and as a result he gets the blame here. fairly. I think the american public have pretty resoundingly risen up and said "we dislike the current paradigm".
the occupy movement is notable because it rose up during an obama administration. i dont think people in the occupy camps are interested in seeing democrats in office. or republicans. we want jobs. and to be able to live in our houses. we want fair wages. We want our climate and environment respected and protected.
im not sure what id do. but i think obama had his chance. he's had 3 years to do something and hasnt changed or altered anything. his policies have been lock step with bush on foreign policy and much of everything else. Im curious and baffled why anyone thinks another 4 years of this garbage and lies is going to alter anything. You think in 2012, obamas going to suddenly wake up and say, "i will be left wing now, i fooled you all, you all thought i was centrist, but i fooled you". I wish it would happen. But it wont.
Ron Paul, on my first post i stated my major problems with his policies. hes not perfect. He is a politican after all He's not the perfect candidate. Its quite possible if he was elected, ron paul that is, that he'd be worse than obama on everything. all im curious about, specifically with obamas current supporters, is why you think if things are this bad in 2012, why would they change under another 4 years of obama? We are engaged in wars and have the worst economy since the great depression. What has obama done, at all, that has made anyone, think he was aiming to fix things and change things and make things better? Its throwing good money after bad. I dont think the answer to the worlds problems is ron paul. But i also quite clearly dont think the answer to our problems is another 4 years of obama.
Obams is a one term president. he will be remembered for being the first black president, and maybe that speech on race, the killing of bin laden, but in terms of the country and the world, i dont see him being anything other than a footnote and being viewed as a person who fiddled while rome burned
you seem to be getting a little ahead of yourself. it's not exactly paul vs. obama yet. i sure as fuck would vote obama over pretty much any other republican. fucking proud of it. love that kool-aid.
thats certainly fine. but i think i and alot of others are sort of tired of the whole being lied to process.
more specifically, i think the question is, has obama done anything to deserve a second term? has he done or said anything that suggest another 4 years will make this country a better place? i think the answer is self evident
Truth. Check out Gary Johnson, too. He's as solid as Ron Paul, but slightly more socially liberal (firmly pro-choice, etc.). If Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination, I'll be going Libertarian again. Johnson has already committed to running for that nomination and it wouldn't surprise me if it's Paul's backup plan (he's 76, so this is likely his last shot). Paul/Johnson is a dream ticket for me, so here's hoping.
I would not be surprised if Rick Santorum wins tonight, as surprising as that sounds. The conservatives who voted for Huckabee last time have been wanting 'someone like them' during this whole process, and each time one gets put into the spotlight, he/she gets made a mockery of (and in each case, rightly so) ... meanwhile Santorum seems to have run a very good ground campaign, staying under the radar long enough to avoid scrutiny. I don't think he'll end up being the nominee, but he could take enough support from the other conservative candidates in order to outplace Romney's and Paul's supporters. I still think Romney will go on to win this, and as for Ron Paul, his brand of conservative libertarianism is just not going to catch on with the public.
I would not be surprised if Rick Santorum wins tonight, as surprising as that sounds. The conservatives who voted for Huckabee last time have been wanting 'someone like them' during this whole process, and each time one gets put into the spotlight, he/she gets made a mockery of (and in each case, rightly so) ... meanwhile Santorum seems to have run a very good ground campaign, staying under the radar long enough to avoid scrutiny. I don't think he'll end up being the nominee, but he could take enough support from the other conservative candidates in order to outplace Romney's and Paul's supporters. I still think Romney will go on to win this, and as for Ron Paul, his brand of conservative libertarianism is just not going to catch on with the public.
huh? i thought it had already caught on. that was the whole point.
Neo-cons...never underestimate the evangelical neo-cons...Huckabee was a similar option for them in 08...who knows...I am shocked that he did so well, but he was ignored by the media scrutiny for much of the time because of his low polling numbers...his record will come out and people will realize he isn't the conservative he claims to be....sure he is a chicken hawk, and he has most of the social conservative bases covered, but he doesn't have the record of voting conservatively fiscally that would differentiate him from Romney enough.
Good showing for Rick...i am shocked...I would imagine all of the democratic strategists are salivating at the thought of having to run against Rick Santorum...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I would not be surprised if Rick Santorum wins tonight, as surprising as that sounds. The conservatives who voted for Huckabee last time have been wanting 'someone like them' during this whole process, and each time one gets put into the spotlight, he/she gets made a mockery of (and in each case, rightly so) ... meanwhile Santorum seems to have run a very good ground campaign, staying under the radar long enough to avoid scrutiny. I don't think he'll end up being the nominee, but he could take enough support from the other conservative candidates in order to outplace Romney's and Paul's supporters. I still think Romney will go on to win this, and as for Ron Paul, his brand of conservative libertarianism is just not going to catch on with the public.
huh? i thought it had already caught on. that was the whole point.
He managed to convince 26,219 Iowans to vote for him, for 21% of the total vote. Hardly catching fire. That's what his supporters got from all the money bombs they contributed to. I kinda feel bad for them. I don't feel bad for everyone who donated to Rick Perry's bomb of a campaign tho.
So with Perry and Bachmann out, I'm assuming their supporters will go to Romney and Santorum, and Gingrich's supporters (scary to think he has even one) will filter that way too.
I'm seeing supporters of Ron Paul freaking out all over the internet today... many of them blaming the American people... the people they claimed Ron Paul represented. Sorry, but the Republicans don't want him, and the American people sure as hell don't want him either. We're not THAT crazy.
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as far as the other stuff, i believe that he would be better than any republcan going into the white house. we do not need a constitutional amendment to define marriage, as is a gop principle, the gop will never stop the war on drugs, and most of the gop candidates have gone on record saying they will attack IRAN and spend MORE money on the military. the failure of the supercommittee has cut military spending. see how the gop is trying to get around cutting the pentagon? obama has threatened to veto anything undermining the cuts that came about due to the supercommittee failure. i do trust that obama is smart enough to not go into iran. but then again we are drone attacking pakistan so maybe i am wrong.
how can he get people back to work? "job creators" have had ample time to create jobs with the bush tax cuts and they have not done it.
i wanted him to succeed. but you have to admit, he has had unprecented opposition from a gop who said on day one their main goal is to make him a one term president. and let's not forget about the record number of filibusters in the senate this term as well.
i just don't see how ron paul, or any single person can accomplish anything in this current environment.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Ron Paul, on my first post i stated my major problems with his policies. hes not perfect. He is a politican after all He's not the perfect candidate. Its quite possible if he was elected, ron paul that is, that he'd be worse than obama on everything. all im curious about, specifically with obamas current supporters, is why you think if things are this bad in 2012, why would they change under another 4 years of obama? We are engaged in wars and have the worst economy since the great depression. What has obama done, at all, that has made anyone, think he was aiming to fix things and change things and make things better? Its throwing good money after bad. I dont think the answer to the worlds problems is ron paul. But i also quite clearly dont think the answer to our problems is another 4 years of obama.
Obams is a one term president. he will be remembered for being the first black president, and maybe that speech on race, the killing of bin laden, but in terms of the country and the world, i dont see him being anything other than a footnote and being viewed as a person who fiddled while rome burned
i guess where you and i differ is i really have no patience or use for anyone involved in politics. Ive had it up to here with politics, the political system, the 2 party system, the whole charade, and it really is a charade. Im not interested in a candidate who plays the political game. Do you know who funded obamas campaign? the same people that funded every other president campaign in modern history. The corporations.
you seem to be getting a little ahead of yourself. it's not exactly paul vs. obama yet. i sure as fuck would vote obama over pretty much any other republican. fucking proud of it. love that kool-aid.
i guess the question becomes, i am a radical. and maybe im out of touch in that aspect with most americans. but i do think, my stance on politics and elections mirrors most americans views. I think people, see washington and politicians and elections and see alot of people promising to do things they never do, and the country continuing to slide from us, the economy continuing to tank, politicians who continue to send our troops in wars the american public opposes.
i think its a given, most people in america are unhappy with the way this country is headed. Across party lines as well. I dont think conservatives are pleased with left wingers, but i also dont think they are pleased with their own side as well. same for democrats. the man in charge the last 3 years has been obama. He's gotten to call the shots. and as a result he gets the blame here. fairly. I think the american public have pretty resoundingly risen up and said "we dislike the current paradigm".
the occupy movement is notable because it rose up during an obama administration. i dont think people in the occupy camps are interested in seeing democrats in office. or republicans. we want jobs. and to be able to live in our houses. we want fair wages. We want our climate and environment respected and protected.
and i think thats the difference.
i grew bored with electoral politics ages ago.
thats certainly fine. but i think i and alot of others are sort of tired of the whole being lied to process.
Truth. Check out Gary Johnson, too. He's as solid as Ron Paul, but slightly more socially liberal (firmly pro-choice, etc.). If Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination, I'll be going Libertarian again. Johnson has already committed to running for that nomination and it wouldn't surprise me if it's Paul's backup plan (he's 76, so this is likely his last shot). Paul/Johnson is a dream ticket for me, so here's hoping.
huh? i thought it had already caught on. that was the whole point.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Neo-cons...never underestimate the evangelical neo-cons...Huckabee was a similar option for them in 08...who knows...I am shocked that he did so well, but he was ignored by the media scrutiny for much of the time because of his low polling numbers...his record will come out and people will realize he isn't the conservative he claims to be....sure he is a chicken hawk, and he has most of the social conservative bases covered, but he doesn't have the record of voting conservatively fiscally that would differentiate him from Romney enough.
Good showing for Rick...i am shocked...I would imagine all of the democratic strategists are salivating at the thought of having to run against Rick Santorum...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
He managed to convince 26,219 Iowans to vote for him, for 21% of the total vote. Hardly catching fire. That's what his supporters got from all the money bombs they contributed to. I kinda feel bad for them. I don't feel bad for everyone who donated to Rick Perry's bomb of a campaign tho.
So with Perry and Bachmann out, I'm assuming their supporters will go to Romney and Santorum, and Gingrich's supporters (scary to think he has even one) will filter that way too.
I'm seeing supporters of Ron Paul freaking out all over the internet today... many of them blaming the American people... the people they claimed Ron Paul represented. Sorry, but the Republicans don't want him, and the American people sure as hell don't want him either. We're not THAT crazy.