Armed Chinese Troops in Texas!

Nevermind90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY

Imagine for a moment that somewhere in the middle of Texas there was a large foreign military base, say Chinese or Russian. Imagine that thousands of armed foreign troops were constantly patrolling American streets in military vehicles. Imagine they were here under the auspices of "keeping us safe" or "promoting democracy" or "protecting their strategic interests."

Imagine that they operated outside of US law, and that the Constitution did not apply to them. Imagine that every now and then they made mistakes or acted on bad information and accidentally killed or terrorized innocent Americans, including women and children, most of the time with little to no repercussions or consequences. Imagine that they set up checkpoints on our soil and routinely searched and ransacked entire neighborhoods of homes. Imagine if Americans were fearful of these foreign troops, and overwhelmingly thought America would be better off without their presence.

Imagine if some Americans were so angry about them being in Texas that they actually joined together to fight them off, in defense of our soil and sovereignty, because leadership in government refused or were unable to do so. Imagine that those Americans were labeled terrorists or insurgents for their defensive actions, and routinely killed, or captured and tortured by the foreign troops on our land. Imagine that the occupiers' attitude was that if they just killed enough Americans, the resistance would stop, but instead, for every American killed, ten more would take up arms against them, resulting in perpetual bloodshed. Imagine if most of the citizens of the foreign land also wanted these troops to return home. Imagine if they elected a leader who promised to bring them home and put an end to this horror.

Imagine if that leader changed his mind once he took office.

The reality is that our military presence on foreign soil is as offensive to the people that live there as armed Chinese troops would be if they were stationed in Texas. We would not stand for it here, but we have had a globe-straddling empire and a very intrusive foreign policy for decades that incites a lot of hatred and resentment towards us.

According to our own CIA, our meddling in the Middle East was the prime motivation for the horrific attacks on 9/11. But instead of re-evaluating our foreign policy, we have simply escalated it. We had a right to go after those responsible for 9/11, to be sure, but why do so many Americans feel as if we have a right to a military presence in some 160 countries when we wouldn't stand for even one foreign base on our soil, for any reason? These are not embassies, mind you, these are military installations. The new administration is not materially changing anything about this. Shuffling troops around and playing with semantics does not accomplish the goals of the American people, who simply want our men and women to come home. 50,000 troops left behind in Iraq is not conducive to peace any more than 50,000 Russian soldiers would be in the United States.

Ron Paul:

Shutting down military bases and ceasing to deal with other nations with threats and violence is not isolationism. It is the opposite. Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity. It is the only foreign policy that will not bankrupt us in short order, as our current actions most definitely will. I share the disappointment of the American people in the foreign policy rhetoric coming from the administration. The sad thing is, our foreign policy WILL change eventually, as Rome's did, when all budgetary and monetary tricks to fund it are exhausted.

Do consider Ron Paul as the next president of America!

Cheers from Sweden!

he still stands

but we have a DUTY to police the world and spread freedom, and we have to kill lots of people to spread that message!

Wilsonian Idealism 101. Duh.

StillHere

i don't believe that any one person can change any of this alone
not Obama, not Paul, not anyone...alone
I do agree that if the roles were reversed, we would be the wiser
Lets hope it never has to come to that

What to do?

usamamasan1

Texans wouldn't let that shit happen. They are well armed ass kicking Americans. FUCK THAT!

he still stands

usamamasan1 wrote:

Texans wouldn't let that shit happen. They are well armed ass kicking Americans. FUCK THAT!

it's like a parody, but it's not, which makes it scary.

MayDay Malone

I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.

he still stands

MayDay Malone wrote:

I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.

OMG, we do have a military base in Sweden. There are only 12 people there, but we have 81 in Norway and 14 in Finland. I guarantee the cost of this runs into the tens of millions per year. And a good thing, too, because what would they do without our military there to protect them from the nihlist viking hoards and ABBA?

edit: oh yeah... sourcey linky... http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/M ... st0709.pdf

MayDay Malone

he still stands wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.

OMG, we do have a military base in Sweden. There are only 12 people there, but we have 81 in Norway and 14 in Finland. I guarantee the cost of this runs into the tens of millions per year. And a good thing, too, because what would they do without our military there to protect them from the nihlist viking hoards and ABBA?

edit: oh yeah... sourcey linky... http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/M ... st0709.pdf

Guess what? There are more than 12 Swedish military officers at my base here in the US- right now.

Doubt their schooling costs miliions every year. Doubt the 12 US troops in Sweden do as well.

Big deal.

chadwick

usamamasan1 wrote:

Texans wouldn't let that shit happen. They are well armed ass kicking Americans. FUCK THAT!

this probably your most factual post i have ever read. every texan own 13 guns. each texan is a skilled or unskilled marksman. every man woman and child w/ a truck has a gun rack in the back glass w/ a rebel flag draping the glass behind them.

handguns, rifles, shotguns...and those are just the legal none assault rifles. texans aint fuckin around. god bless texas.

had a lady friend from texas once. her family...brother and son, combined have 14 guns. to bad either of them can fight to protect their sister from her crazed x.

give a texan a rattlesnake and they run... do not tell that to the chinese.

MayDay Malone

chadwick wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Texans wouldn't let that shit happen. They are well armed ass kicking Americans. FUCK THAT!

this probably your most factual post i have ever read. every texan own 13 guns. each texan is a skilled or unskilled marksman. every man woman and child w/ a truck has a gun rack in the back glass w/ a rebel flag draping the glass behind them.

handguns, rifles, shotguns...and those are just the legal none assault rifles. texans aint fuckin around. god bless texas.

had a lady friend from texas once. her family...brother and son, combined have 14 guns. to bad either of them can fight to protect their sister from her crazed x.

give a texan a rattlesnake and they run... do not tell that to the chinese.

...and would that crazed X be you?

gimmesometruth27

MayDay Malone wrote:

I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.

like it or not, who we elect has a bearing on every country in the world. so he can have an opinion on who we elect if he wants to, because it directly effects his country...

maybe if people tried looking at it from the point of view of someone other than a flag waving american then they might get where the poster is coming from.

Nevermind90

yes thing is, special with america. It effect the whole world..

Jason P

Imagine the US being weak enough that foreign military bases are required for protection from Canada or Mexico.

Imagine the US government being run under a strict and extremist interpretation of the bible instead of the constitution.

Imagine a group of fundamentalist Christians committing a terrorist act in China or Russia where thousands of innocent people are killed and the US government refusing to hand over the terrorists and instead provide harbor for them.

he still stands

MayDay Malone wrote:

Guess what? There are more than 12 Swedish military officers at my base here in the US- right now.

Doubt their schooling costs miliions every year. Doubt the 12 US troops in Sweden do as well.

Big deal.

it is a big deal. Our military is strangling this country until it dies. The spending and international response of our terrorism throughout the world will be the downfall of this country.

MayDay Malone

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.

like it or not, who we elect has a bearing on every country in the world. so he can have an opinion on who we elect if he wants to, because it directly effects his country...

maybe if people tried looking at it from the point of view of someone other than a flag waving american then they might get where the poster is coming from.

I don't get it. My flag is in the way.

Why should Sweden care who we elect? Are you implying that what happens in America is important to the rest of the world? Doesn't that imply that we are MORE important than other countries, Gimme? Because I, and most Americans, don't care at all who Sweden elects...

Sounds like you are waving your own US flag... and I know that's the last thing you would ever want to do with it.

MayDay Malone

he still stands wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

Guess what? There are more than 12 Swedish military officers at my base here in the US- right now.

Doubt their schooling costs miliions every year. Doubt the 12 US troops in Sweden do as well.

Big deal.

it is a big deal. Our military is strangling this country until it dies. The spending and international response of our terrorism throughout the world will be the downfall of this country.

Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...

chadwick

MayDay Malone wrote:

...and would that crazed X be you?

sure im crazed but i don't beat and rape women for shits and giggles nor burn a fuckers house down.

so to answer your question...hell no it isn't me... i was never her husband. just some dumbass who loved her and stuff.

MayDay Malone

chadwick wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

...and would that crazed X be you?

sure im crazed but i don't beat and rape women for shits and giggles nor burn a fuckers house down.

so to answer your question...hell no it isn't me... i was never her husband. just some dumbass who loved her and stuff.

whoa. Hey man, I was just jokin w/ ya. Sorry bout all that- he sounds crazy for sure.

No hard feelings...

chadwick

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.

like it or not, who we elect has a bearing on every country in the world. so he can have an opinion on who we elect if he wants to, because it directly effects his country...

maybe if people tried looking at it from the point of view of someone other than a flag waving american then they might get where the poster is coming from.

dear gimmie,

you have posted at least two posts in the last 24 hrs or so that i agree with. this is nice. thank you.

he still stands

MayDay Malone wrote:

Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...

Lib as in Libertarian? sort of.

this is a good way to look at it:



http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailycha ... y-spending

There are plenty of other areas that I would cut... if you cut military spending by 50% you get the national debt under control and you eliminate the interest on that debt (8% of the federal budget). Social security needs to be fixed and is unsustainable but I guess I haven't put enough thought into fixing it. I'd put about half of all this back into the country through education, infrastructure, and free pot fridays.

keeponrockin

MayDay Malone wrote:

he still stands wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

Guess what? There are more than 12 Swedish military officers at my base here in the US- right now.

Doubt their schooling costs miliions every year. Doubt the 12 US troops in Sweden do as well.

Big deal.

it is a big deal. Our military is strangling this country until it dies. The spending and international response of our terrorism throughout the world will be the downfall of this country.

Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...

I would cut military spending, reform health care to a single payer system in order to save money at the end of the day (why do we spend more money per GDP on healthcare than countries with national healthcare, yet not everyone's covered, doesn't make sense), invest money into infrastructure projects, cut subsidies to various industries, letting the free market do it's thing, and create stronger trade barriers making it more difficult for companies to ship production offshore.