Armed Chinese Troops in Texas!

Nevermind90Nevermind90 Posts: 722
edited January 2012 in A Moving Train
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Imagine for a moment that somewhere in the middle of Texas there was a large foreign military base, say Chinese or Russian. Imagine that thousands of armed foreign troops were constantly patrolling American streets in military vehicles. Imagine they were here under the auspices of "keeping us safe" or "promoting democracy" or "protecting their strategic interests."

Imagine that they operated outside of US law, and that the Constitution did not apply to them. Imagine that every now and then they made mistakes or acted on bad information and accidentally killed or terrorized innocent Americans, including women and children, most of the time with little to no repercussions or consequences. Imagine that they set up checkpoints on our soil and routinely searched and ransacked entire neighborhoods of homes. Imagine if Americans were fearful of these foreign troops, and overwhelmingly thought America would be better off without their presence.

Imagine if some Americans were so angry about them being in Texas that they actually joined together to fight them off, in defense of our soil and sovereignty, because leadership in government refused or were unable to do so. Imagine that those Americans were labeled terrorists or insurgents for their defensive actions, and routinely killed, or captured and tortured by the foreign troops on our land. Imagine that the occupiers' attitude was that if they just killed enough Americans, the resistance would stop, but instead, for every American killed, ten more would take up arms against them, resulting in perpetual bloodshed. Imagine if most of the citizens of the foreign land also wanted these troops to return home. Imagine if they elected a leader who promised to bring them home and put an end to this horror.

Imagine if that leader changed his mind once he took office.

The reality is that our military presence on foreign soil is as offensive to the people that live there as armed Chinese troops would be if they were stationed in Texas. We would not stand for it here, but we have had a globe-straddling empire and a very intrusive foreign policy for decades that incites a lot of hatred and resentment towards us.
According to our own CIA, our meddling in the Middle East was the prime motivation for the horrific attacks on 9/11. But instead of re-evaluating our foreign policy, we have simply escalated it. We had a right to go after those responsible for 9/11, to be sure, but why do so many Americans feel as if we have a right to a military presence in some 160 countries when we wouldn't stand for even one foreign base on our soil, for any reason? These are not embassies, mind you, these are military installations. The new administration is not materially changing anything about this. Shuffling troops around and playing with semantics does not accomplish the goals of the American people, who simply want our men and women to come home. 50,000 troops left behind in Iraq is not conducive to peace any more than 50,000 Russian soldiers would be in the United States.

Ron Paul:

Shutting down military bases and ceasing to deal with other nations with threats and violence is not isolationism. It is the opposite. Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity. It is the only foreign policy that will not bankrupt us in short order, as our current actions most definitely will. I share the disappointment of the American people in the foreign policy rhetoric coming from the administration. The sad thing is, our foreign policy WILL change eventually, as Rome's did, when all budgetary and monetary tricks to fund it are exhausted.

Do consider Ron Paul as the next president of America!

Cheers from Sweden!
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  • but we have a DUTY to police the world and spread freedom, and we have to kill lots of people to spread that message!

    Wilsonian Idealism 101. Duh.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    i don't believe that any one person can change any of this alone
    not Obama, not Paul, not anyone...alone
    I do agree that if the roles were reversed, we would be the wiser
    Lets hope it never has to come to that

    What to do?
    peace,
    jo

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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Texans wouldn't let that shit happen. They are well armed ass kicking Americans. FUCK THAT!
  • Texans wouldn't let that shit happen. They are well armed ass kicking Americans. FUCK THAT!

    it's like a parody, but it's not, which makes it scary.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


    ...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.
  • I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


    ...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.

    OMG, we do have a military base in Sweden. There are only 12 people there, but we have 81 in Norway and 14 in Finland. I guarantee the cost of this runs into the tens of millions per year. And a good thing, too, because what would they do without our military there to protect them from the nihlist viking hoards and ABBA?

    edit: oh yeah... sourcey linky... http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/M ... st0709.pdf
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


    ...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.

    OMG, we do have a military base in Sweden. There are only 12 people there, but we have 81 in Norway and 14 in Finland. I guarantee the cost of this runs into the tens of millions per year. And a good thing, too, because what would they do without our military there to protect them from the nihlist viking hoards and ABBA?

    edit: oh yeah... sourcey linky... http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/M ... st0709.pdf


    Guess what? There are more than 12 Swedish military officers at my base here in the US- right now.

    Doubt their schooling costs miliions every year. Doubt the 12 US troops in Sweden do as well.

    Big deal.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Texans wouldn't let that shit happen. They are well armed ass kicking Americans. FUCK THAT!
    this probably your most factual post i have ever read. every texan own 13 guns. each texan is a skilled or unskilled marksman. every man woman and child w/ a truck has a gun rack in the back glass w/ a rebel flag draping the glass behind them.

    handguns, rifles, shotguns...and those are just the legal none assault rifles. texans aint fuckin around. god bless texas.

    had a lady friend from texas once. her family...brother and son, combined have 14 guns. to bad either of them can fight to protect their sister from her crazed x.

    give a texan a rattlesnake and they run... do not tell that to the chinese.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick wrote:
    Texans wouldn't let that shit happen. They are well armed ass kicking Americans. FUCK THAT!
    this probably your most factual post i have ever read. every texan own 13 guns. each texan is a skilled or unskilled marksman. every man woman and child w/ a truck has a gun rack in the back glass w/ a rebel flag draping the glass behind them.

    handguns, rifles, shotguns...and those are just the legal none assault rifles. texans aint fuckin around. god bless texas.

    had a lady friend from texas once. her family...brother and son, combined have 14 guns. to bad either of them can fight to protect their sister from her crazed x.

    give a texan a rattlesnake and they run... do not tell that to the chinese.


    ...and would that crazed X be you?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


    ...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.
    like it or not, who we elect has a bearing on every country in the world. so he can have an opinion on who we elect if he wants to, because it directly effects his country...

    maybe if people tried looking at it from the point of view of someone other than a flag waving american then they might get where the poster is coming from.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • yes thing is, special with america. It effect the whole world..
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Imagine the US being weak enough that foreign military bases are required for protection from Canada or Mexico.

    Imagine the US government being run under a strict and extremist interpretation of the bible instead of the constitution.

    Imagine a group of fundamentalist Christians committing a terrorist act in China or Russia where thousands of innocent people are killed and the US government refusing to hand over the terrorists and instead provide harbor for them.
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  • Guess what? There are more than 12 Swedish military officers at my base here in the US- right now.

    Doubt their schooling costs miliions every year. Doubt the 12 US troops in Sweden do as well.

    Big deal.

    it is a big deal. Our military is strangling this country until it dies. The spending and international response of our terrorism throughout the world will be the downfall of this country.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


    ...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.
    like it or not, who we elect has a bearing on every country in the world. so he can have an opinion on who we elect if he wants to, because it directly effects his country...

    maybe if people tried looking at it from the point of view of someone other than a flag waving american then they might get where the poster is coming from.


    I don't get it. My flag is in the way.

    Why should Sweden care who we elect? Are you implying that what happens in America is important to the rest of the world? Doesn't that imply that we are MORE important than other countries, Gimme? Because I, and most Americans, don't care at all who Sweden elects...

    Sounds like you are waving your own US flag... and I know that's the last thing you would ever want to do with it.
  • Guess what? There are more than 12 Swedish military officers at my base here in the US- right now.

    Doubt their schooling costs miliions every year. Doubt the 12 US troops in Sweden do as well.

    Big deal.

    it is a big deal. Our military is strangling this country until it dies. The spending and international response of our terrorism throughout the world will be the downfall of this country.


    Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

    Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ...and would that crazed X be you?

    sure im crazed but i don't beat and rape women for shits and giggles nor burn a fuckers house down.

    so to answer your question...hell no it isn't me... i was never her husband. just some dumbass who loved her and stuff.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick wrote:
    ...and would that crazed X be you?

    sure im crazed but i don't beat and rape women for shits and giggles nor burn a fuckers house down.

    so to answer your question...hell no it isn't me... i was never her husband. just some dumbass who loved her and stuff.


    whoa. Hey man, I was just jokin w/ ya. Sorry bout all that- he sounds crazy for sure.

    No hard feelings...
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


    ...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.
    like it or not, who we elect has a bearing on every country in the world. so he can have an opinion on who we elect if he wants to, because it directly effects his country...

    maybe if people tried looking at it from the point of view of someone other than a flag waving american then they might get where the poster is coming from.

    dear gimmie,

    you have posted at least two posts in the last 24 hrs or so that i agree with. this is nice. thank you.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

    Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...

    Lib as in Libertarian? sort of.

    this is a good way to look at it:

    militaryspendingeconomist.gif

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailycha ... y-spending

    There are plenty of other areas that I would cut... if you cut military spending by 50% you get the national debt under control and you eliminate the interest on that debt (8% of the federal budget). Social security needs to be fixed and is unsustainable but I guess I haven't put enough thought into fixing it. I'd put about half of all this back into the country through education, infrastructure, and free pot fridays.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Guess what? There are more than 12 Swedish military officers at my base here in the US- right now.

    Doubt their schooling costs miliions every year. Doubt the 12 US troops in Sweden do as well.

    Big deal.

    it is a big deal. Our military is strangling this country until it dies. The spending and international response of our terrorism throughout the world will be the downfall of this country.


    Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

    Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...

    I would cut military spending, reform health care to a single payer system in order to save money at the end of the day (why do we spend more money per GDP on healthcare than countries with national healthcare, yet not everyone's covered, doesn't make sense), invest money into infrastructure projects, cut subsidies to various industries, letting the free market do it's thing, and create stronger trade barriers making it more difficult for companies to ship production offshore.
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  • Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

    Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...

    Lib as in Libertarian? sort of.

    this is a good way to look at it:

    militaryspendingeconomist.gif

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailycha ... y-spending

    There are plenty of other areas that I would cut... if you cut military spending by 50% you get the national debt under control and you eliminate the interest on that debt (8% of the federal budget). Social security needs to be fixed and is unsustainable but I guess I haven't put enough thought into fixing it. I'd put about half of all this back into the country through education, infrastructure, and free pot fridays.


    Oh. I thought you were serious.

    $1 Trillion "stimulus" wasn't enough wasted on teachers unions and "shovel-ready jobs", huh?

    Anyways, good luck with your free-pot initiative...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    I don''t tell you who to elect in Sweden, so.....


    ...and I agree, lets stop using our military to protect Sweden.
    like it or not, who we elect has a bearing on every country in the world. so he can have an opinion on who we elect if he wants to, because it directly effects his country...

    maybe if people tried looking at it from the point of view of someone other than a flag waving american then they might get where the poster is coming from.


    I don't get it. My flag is in the way.

    Why should Sweden care who we elect? Are you implying that what happens in America is important to the rest of the world? Doesn't that imply that we are MORE important than other countries, Gimme? Because I, and most Americans, don't care at all who Sweden elects...

    Sounds like you are waving your own US flag... and I know that's the last thing you would ever want to do with it.
    no, it implies that we are leaders in this world, and because we have the biggest dick, (biggest military) what we (the us) want in this world is what we get...

    ever hear of the un?

    we send ambassadors to the un, so yes it does matter who we elect because who we elect sets our foreign policy and what we do at the un, since we are a lifetime member and have permanent veto power. that is just one example of how who we elect effects the rest of the world... again, please think outside of your red white and blue colored glasses... you do not care who sweden elects because sweden's government and it's policies do not have any bearing on you and it does not have sway over your government...

    just look at the shirt in my avatar....and believe it or not, i have a huge flag on display in my basement behind my wall of guitar amps, and i have an american flag t shirt that i wear. not because i am a patriot, but because i am taking that symbol back from the republicans and neocons and warmongers and corporatists that would besmirch it or use that flag to do things that are not representative of my views. so yeah, the last thing i want to do is wave my flag :roll:
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    chadwick wrote:
    dear gimmie,

    you have posted at least two posts in the last 24 hrs or so that i agree with. this is nice. thank you.
    thanks dude!

    yes it is nice haha..

    pretty much the only thing i have seen that we disagree on is the death penalty. for the most part, from what i see we have sort of similar views, i am just a little more to the left :D
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

    Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...

    Lib as in Libertarian? sort of.

    this is a good way to look at it:

    militaryspendingeconomist.gif

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailycha ... y-spending

    There are plenty of other areas that I would cut... if you cut military spending by 50% you get the national debt under control and you eliminate the interest on that debt (8% of the federal budget). Social security needs to be fixed and is unsustainable but I guess I haven't put enough thought into fixing it. I'd put about half of all this back into the country through education, infrastructure, and free pot fridays.


    Oh. I thought you were serious.

    $1 Trillion "stimulus" wasn't enough wasted on teachers unions and "shovel-ready jobs", huh?

    Anyways, good luck with your free-pot initiative...

    Why do you think I'm not serious? Because of a joke at the end of my post, or because you think the military is untouchable? Do you realize that if we cut the budget by 50% we'd still have the biggest military in the world by far... almost 3X as ib as China's... if WE CUT IT 50%. We can still have a huge army but we don't need to dominate the fucking globe and send young men to die for nothing when they're actually really fucking brave and think they're dying for their country. It is incredibly brave. But they're not dying for their country. That should be evident by now. Why not stop the murder?
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,616
    The Texas "scenario" is weak because it failed to mention the hypothetical catalyst for the Chinese arrival into Texas.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chadwick wrote:
    dear gimmie,

    you have posted at least two posts in the last 24 hrs or so that i agree with. this is nice. thank you.
    thanks dude!

    yes it is nice haha..

    pretty much the only thing i have seen that we disagree on is the death penalty. for the most part, from what i see we have sort of similar views, i am just a little more to the left :D
    and which diection am i? i myself haven't a clue...
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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    Blowback is a concept many Americans fail to grasp, they incorrectly call it "blame America first".
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    Blowback is a concept many Americans fail to grasp, they incorrectly call it "blame America first".
    blowback is a good name for it. unfortunately it has far greater repercussions than a lot of people realize. i shudder to think of the blowback caused by the iraq war. we have created generations of america haters since 2003....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695

    Ask a lib what he DOES want to cut. Answer: the military. Ask them what else: blank stare.

    Not saying you are a lib, but if you believe that defense spending alone is what caused this debt, you might be misled. Its the entitlement programs that are bankrupting us- they must be reformed...



    True story from today I thought I'd share...
    While riding my bike on the beach with my kid in tow, I overheard an elderly man start up a conversation with a similarly aged woman he apparently hadn't spoken to in some time.
    He says to her "So, are you still a big liberal or are you starting to pay attention to what's going on"?
    :lol:
  • unsung wrote:
    Blowback is a concept many Americans fail to grasp, they incorrectly call it "blame America first".
    blowback is a good name for it. unfortunately it has far greater repercussions than a lot of people realize. i shudder to think of the blowback caused by the iraq war. we have created generations of america haters since 2003....


    Ought to make you happy.
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