Is Ten Out of Tune?
DriftingByTheStorm
Posts: 8,684
This is a weird intro to the question,
but was trying to play soul to squeeze along to video, and came to realization the song is actually recorded about a 1\4 step up from standard.
got me thinking about Nirvana - Nevermind being recorded 1\4 step down (i think?) ... and then I remembered that someone said something (either on here, or in a youtube comment) about the entire Ten album being recorded a fraction of a step up or down.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
My ears aren't all that great.
But if i play alive, and bend my 7th fret up (about a quarter) on the D string and play the "do-de doo doo" (lol) part that happens right when he says "son", hammering on the 9 but ensuring it stays bent up about a quarter too ... it does sound "better" to me, in that it sounds "brighter" ... and i'm wondering if i'm just on crack this morning or if this is true.
Anyone with good ears and half a brain?
but was trying to play soul to squeeze along to video, and came to realization the song is actually recorded about a 1\4 step up from standard.
got me thinking about Nirvana - Nevermind being recorded 1\4 step down (i think?) ... and then I remembered that someone said something (either on here, or in a youtube comment) about the entire Ten album being recorded a fraction of a step up or down.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
My ears aren't all that great.
But if i play alive, and bend my 7th fret up (about a quarter) on the D string and play the "do-de doo doo" (lol) part that happens right when he says "son", hammering on the 9 but ensuring it stays bent up about a quarter too ... it does sound "better" to me, in that it sounds "brighter" ... and i'm wondering if i'm just on crack this morning or if this is true.
Anyone with good ears and half a brain?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Post edited by Unknown User on
0
Comments
PJ: 2011-09-03 2011-09-04
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
They actually have quite a few songs in alternate tunings.
Oceans
Deep
Garden
Evenflow
Habit
Go
Daughter
Blood
Leash
Brain of J
MFC
Sleight of Hand
NAIS
Can't Keep
You Are
1/2 Full
All or None
Marker In the Sand
GtF
Present Tense
No Way
Faithfull
I dunno about the op, b/c I don't play along to much stuff on Ten, but it's very common for bands to slow down whole tracks to change the mood a bit or make them a little heavier.
There's endless possiblities with vari-speeding as it's called...I know Frusciante did some speeding up and doubling to record the harpsichord sounding part on one of the tunes from Stadium Arcadium, an idea which he stole from Hendrix.
moral of the story.....if it sounds a bit off of standard, it probably is.
with open tunings people often find a way around it and the song'll sound fine, but a little off. They'll sound alot better when you use the proper tuning.
Both guitars aren't in alt tunings on all of those songs.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
You said THEY don't record many songs in alternate tunings. Mike almost always uses standard, with a few excursions into DADGAD, probably some other tunings as well but I haven't tried to learn every PJ tune. Mike plays in standard in your example of a song that has an alternate tunings.
Right. They play 80% in standard tuning on the albums which is the vast majority thus meaning the 22 you listed isn't many.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
When most rock bands play everything in standard tuning, and half the songs on the first 2 albums have alternate tunings I would say they have quite a few tunes in alternate tunings.
The 22 I listed is just the ones I could remember off of the studio albums. I'm sure there's several more among their bsides.
You seemed to imply that Daughter was one of a few songs they have in a different tuning and I was just making sure the ts wasn't lead astray b/c of your ignorance. Though with your posting history I'm sure most people know by now that you're probably just spewing shit you know nothing about.
I was implying that Daughter was one of a few songs completely in an alt tuning, because it is.
What's the point in arguing about it. Very few songs in their catalog are completely tuned differently(probably around 10 if not less) and daughter is one. Most on your list is Stone messing with some Alt tuning and Mike in Standard. The rest are in standard on the albums.
Like I said live is a different story. They are tuned 1/2 step down almost the entire show except for slower songs.
I know what I'm talking about.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
I guess we'll agree to disagree on what constitutes quite a few.
Mike's part in Daughter is standard. Stone carries the song in open G.
It's not Stone just messing around in open tuning. More often than not it's Mike messing around in standard around Stone alternatly tuned riff.
Unless they changed on the most recent Canadian run, there are not really many song that they tune down for EV. Not even close to half the set let alone almost the entire show, as of the 2010 spring US tour. Comatose, Fixer, Got Some, Life Wasted, Force of Nature, Supersonic I know for sure were tuned down. Again that could have changed, but I don't think anything was lowered at PJ20.
Even Flow
Oceans
Garden
Deep
Go
Daughter
Blood
Brain of J
Faithful
No way
Given to fly
MFC(only Ed's Guitar is dropped D)
NAIS
1/2 Full
All or None
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
From what I could recall, Even Flow is the only track on the record that was slowed down and thus creating the 1/4 step difference. The radio version is so much better than the Ten version, IMO.
If You Like Crunchy Guitar Riffs, Powerful Vocals, Melodic Guitar Solos, And Meaningful Lyrics..then you need to check out one of the most refreshing new hard rock bands in quite some time...-->The Liberty Underground<--
Althought I don't really think Drop D is an alternate tuning. It probably technically is.
PJ: 2011-09-03 2011-09-04
As in, the original version from Ten of Even Flow is not tuned to Standard 440 or an alternate of 440. If you tuned your guitar at 440 and try to play another song, such as Release, the fourth string, D, would ring in tune.
However, if you tried to play along with the Even Flow track, you'd notice that the guitar is out of tune with your standard 440 tuning.
So, No, Ten is not out of tune, but, yes, Even Flow, for one, is out of tune.
To illustrate a better way, try playing the Ten, Even Flow, with the Brendan O'Brien version of Even Flow. Very easy to notice the difference.