Turkey: "Armenians? Genocide? You're racists!"
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Honestly, your country committed a genocide, but if anyone dares to mention it you throw a shit fit and call them racists?! :roll:
Turkey recalls France envoy over adoption of Armenian genocide bill
France's National Assembly approved law punishing genocide denial by a year's imprisonment, $ 58,000 dollars fine; Turkey PM: Bill is 'based on racism, discrimination, xenophobia.'
The Turkish ambassador to France will leave Paris Friday in protest at the adoption by French parliamentarians of a bill that criminalizes people who deny that Armenians suffered a genocide at the hands of Ottoman Turks, an embassy spokesman said.
Spokesman Engin Solakoglu told dpa on Thursday, "My ambassador will leave for Turkey tomorrow for an indefinite period.”
Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said later Thursday that Turkey would be canceling all economic, political and military meetings with France over the bill, and that it would be canceling permission for French military planes to land in Turkey, and for French warships to dock in Turkey.
Erdogan said the genocide bill opens wounds that will be difficult to heal, and described it as, “politics based on racism, discrimination, xenophobia.”
The Turkish PM said that those "who want to see genocide should turn around and look at their own dirty and bloody history," Erdogan railed. "Turkey will stand against this intentional, malicious, unjust and illegal attempt through all kids of diplomatic means."
Armenia officially thanked France for approving the bill on Thursday.
France's National Assembly approved the bill, which punishes denial of genocides by a year's imprisonment and a fine of $ 58,000 dollars, on Thursday. The bill was adopted by a large majority.
To become law it must also be approved by the Senate.
Turkey, which rejects the categorization of the mass killings of Armenians between 1915 and 1917 as genocide, had threatened "grave consequences" if the vote passed.
Thousands of French people of Turkish origin demonstrated outside the assembly to denounce the bill, which they claimed was an attempt by the government to woo voters of Armenian origin ahead of next year's presidential and parliamentary elections.
"It's not because a powerful lobby says it (genocide) that I will say it," Halil Karayel, who travelled from the north-eastern city of Strasbourg to take part in the demonstration, told dpa.
The parliamentary debate was also broadcast live in Turkey. Armenians say up to 1.5 million Armenian citizens of the Ottoman Empire were either killed or died of neglect during the war. Around a dozen countries have recognized their deaths as genocide.
Ankara says between 300,000 and 500,000 Armenians died, and argues that it was largely the result of unrest during the war following the invasion by Russian forces of eastern Turkey.
The standoff is the latest to rock Franco-Turkish relations, which have already soured over Sarkozy's resolute opposition to Turkey joining the European Union.
Turkey recalls France envoy over adoption of Armenian genocide bill
France's National Assembly approved law punishing genocide denial by a year's imprisonment, $ 58,000 dollars fine; Turkey PM: Bill is 'based on racism, discrimination, xenophobia.'
The Turkish ambassador to France will leave Paris Friday in protest at the adoption by French parliamentarians of a bill that criminalizes people who deny that Armenians suffered a genocide at the hands of Ottoman Turks, an embassy spokesman said.
Spokesman Engin Solakoglu told dpa on Thursday, "My ambassador will leave for Turkey tomorrow for an indefinite period.”
Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said later Thursday that Turkey would be canceling all economic, political and military meetings with France over the bill, and that it would be canceling permission for French military planes to land in Turkey, and for French warships to dock in Turkey.
Erdogan said the genocide bill opens wounds that will be difficult to heal, and described it as, “politics based on racism, discrimination, xenophobia.”
The Turkish PM said that those "who want to see genocide should turn around and look at their own dirty and bloody history," Erdogan railed. "Turkey will stand against this intentional, malicious, unjust and illegal attempt through all kids of diplomatic means."
Armenia officially thanked France for approving the bill on Thursday.
France's National Assembly approved the bill, which punishes denial of genocides by a year's imprisonment and a fine of $ 58,000 dollars, on Thursday. The bill was adopted by a large majority.
To become law it must also be approved by the Senate.
Turkey, which rejects the categorization of the mass killings of Armenians between 1915 and 1917 as genocide, had threatened "grave consequences" if the vote passed.
Thousands of French people of Turkish origin demonstrated outside the assembly to denounce the bill, which they claimed was an attempt by the government to woo voters of Armenian origin ahead of next year's presidential and parliamentary elections.
"It's not because a powerful lobby says it (genocide) that I will say it," Halil Karayel, who travelled from the north-eastern city of Strasbourg to take part in the demonstration, told dpa.
The parliamentary debate was also broadcast live in Turkey. Armenians say up to 1.5 million Armenian citizens of the Ottoman Empire were either killed or died of neglect during the war. Around a dozen countries have recognized their deaths as genocide.
Ankara says between 300,000 and 500,000 Armenians died, and argues that it was largely the result of unrest during the war following the invasion by Russian forces of eastern Turkey.
The standoff is the latest to rock Franco-Turkish relations, which have already soured over Sarkozy's resolute opposition to Turkey joining the European Union.
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France’s genocide in Rwanda
Japan’s genocide in China
Belgium’s genocide in the Congo
UK’s aboriginal genocide
US/Canada’s native Indian genocide
[Insert the list] genocide in the Balkan countries
The list could go on and on and we know this, so Sarkozy needs to man up and tell Turkey the truth, -the EU, with the backing of the West thinks that your country is an undesirable, good for the occasional help, but, we don’t want you mixing as a member of our exclusive European country club.
It's definitely a touchy subject. No doubt genocide was committed. I think any honest person knows that who takes even a cursory glance at what happened there.
You forgot to mention Russia's genocide in the Ukraine between 1932 and 1933 where approximately 12 million were deliberately starved to death by Stalin's regime.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... de-algeria
Turkey accuses France of genocide in Algeria
Turkish prime minister ramps up diplomatic spat, saying French killed 15% of Algeria's population during postwar occupation
Angelique Chrisafis in Paris
guardian.co.uk, Friday 23 December 2011
Turkey's prime minister has accused France of having committed genocide during its colonial occupation of Algeria in the latest round of the worst diplomatic row between the two Nato allies in more than a century.
The claim by Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday follows French MPs' approval of a law that would make it a criminal offence to deny that the mass killing of Armenians in 1915 by Ottoman Turks was genocide.
Turkey has frozen political and diplomatic relations with France, recalling its ambassador to Paris and suspending all economic, political and military meetings. Erdogan has withdrawn permission for French military planes to land and warships to dock in Turkey and annulled joint military exercises. He said he would decide, case by case, whether to allow the French military to use Turkish airspace.
"What the French did in Algeria was genocide," he said in a deeply personal speech laced with criticism of France's president, Nicolas Sarkozy.
Erdogan said that about 15% of the Algerian population was massacred during the French occupation from 1945 to 1962. "They were mercilessly martyred. If Mr Sarkozy doesn't know there was a genocide, he can ask his father, Pal Sarkozy … who was a legionnaire in Algeria in the 1940s. I'm sure he has a lot to tell his son about the massacres committed by the French in Algeria."
Pal Sarkozy told French TV: "I was never in Algeria. I didn't get further than Marseille, I was in the [foreign] legion for four months."
The row has simmered for weeks, but erupted on Thursday after French MPs approved a bill which would make denying the Armenian genocide a criminal offence punishable by a one-year prison sentence and a fine of €45,000.
Erdogan said the bill was "a clear example of how racism, discrimination and anti-Muslim sentiment have reached new heights in France and in Europe." He said: "President Sarkozy's ambition is to win an election based on promoting animosity against Turks and Muslims."
Under Sarkozy, who has opposed Turkey's stalled bid to join the EU, Paris-Ankara relations have been tricky. Turkey has accused his rightwing UMP party of using the genocide bill to court the 500,000 French-Armenian voters in next year's presidential and parliamentary elections. Socialists also supported criminalising genocide denial.
"I respect the convictions of our Turkish friends – it's a great country, a great civilisation – and they should respect ours," Sarkozy said on Friday, after arriving in Prague for the funeral of the former Czech president Václav Havel.
The French foreign minister, Alain Juppé, who has tried to smooth tensions, called for "restraint", saying he wanted to preserve "trust and friendship". He added that some declarations had been "no doubt excessive".
Most historians contend the Ottoman killings of the Armenians constituted the first genocide of the 20th century. Ankara denies the killings constitute genocide and says many Muslim Turks and Kurds were also put to death as Russian troops invaded eastern Anatolia, often aided by Armenian militias. The issue weighs heavily on political pride and Turkey's international relations. In Washington Barack Obama has stopped short of calling the killings genocide.
The French parliament recognised the Armenian killings as genocide in 2001. The bill to criminalise genocide denial must go before the senate next year.
the thing is, those crimes were committed long before the EU had any kind of human rights agenda or the protection of minorities as one of its accession criteria. the negotiations with the balkan countries all had/have the solving of war crimes, minority issues, ethnic cleansing and refugees coming home as core issues that need to be resolved when anyone enters. this has been official policy since the former communist states joined.
but I agree that the member states should lead by example on this. italy attacked helpless ethiopians with poison gas in the 1930s, and they did everything to prevent a bbc documentary made about this being shown on national tv. lots of history to still be acknowledged by the public everywhere.
Really, it’s that simple, everyone confesses their sins and moves on with the EU blessing?
So France’s role in the genocide of the Gypsies and Sarkozy’s continued policy towards the extraction of the Gypsies from France is ok. Past history – done – over with.
I guess the EU members have all forgiven Armenia of their collaboration with the Nazi and their atrocities committed under General Dro Kanayan against Jews and Muslims, not that it was probably even a part of the genocide discussion regarding the Turks and Kurds and that whole breakup of Yugoslavia. Past history – done – over with.
I’d love to hear Switzerland’s forgive me EU for I have sinned in the past and continue on the same path today, but I’m trying.
If that’s the case, Israel needs to chill the f-ck out, and get over that whole genocide thing because Germany has acknowledged its role. Past history – done – over with. This is the New World Order.
Look, no country is without blood on their hands – genocide is genocide – whether you’re pulling the trigger, supplying the hardware, or instituting hegemonic policies that allow the slaughter to continue. France has a lot of bloodletting on its own hands – why call out Turkey if for no other reason that a decision was made that they didn’t want Turkey in the EU and this is the only issue that could make Turkey walk away.