SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act)

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Newch91 wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    i just heard wiki is going down for a bit.
    English version for 24 hours.


    well yep thats the one i use. 8-)



    i am all for protecting the intellectual property rights of folks but i dont think this bill is the right way to go about it.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,459
    marco rubio, a tea party republican and major sponsor of the bill just withdrew his support for it...

    i do not understand how any republican, the kind who will cling to the constitution and drone on and on about loving freedom and getting government out of their lives at every chance they get, can have an ounce of support for these bills. these bills are censorship of the internet.

    you can not be for freedom AND support censorship. it does not work that way. not even in a vacuum...
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    marco rubio, a tea party republican and major sponsor of the bill just withdrew his support for it...

    i do not understand how any republican, the kind who will cling to the constitution and drone on and on about loving freedom and getting government out of their lives at every chance they get, can have an ounce of support for these bills. these bills are censorship of the internet.

    you can not be for freedom AND support censorship. it does not work that way. not even in a vacuum...

    hmmm so youre all for anyone taking your intellectual property without compensating you for it? :think:
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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    There is a great summary of SOPA on Wikipedia! ;)
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,459
    catefrances wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    marco rubio, a tea party republican and major sponsor of the bill just withdrew his support for it...

    i do not understand how any republican, the kind who will cling to the constitution and drone on and on about loving freedom and getting government out of their lives at every chance they get, can have an ounce of support for these bills. these bills are censorship of the internet.

    you can not be for freedom AND support censorship. it does not work that way. not even in a vacuum...

    hmmm so youre all for anyone taking your intellectual property without compensating you for it? :think:
    i don't have any intellectual property on the internet. musicwise anyway...

    i had a blog once, and i don't see anyone beating down the door to steal any ideas in that piece of crap.

    the book i was writing is nowhere on line...

    the poems i had written are in books, not online..

    i believe that if you start censoring the internet you stifle the flow of information. and with the united states' declining level of understanding of most important issues, i think limiting information in this country could be one of the final nails in the proverbial coffin. then again, most people are too lazy to look up the information that is available online now so....

    and if according to citizens united corporations are people and money is speech, why can't we censor that? if you are going to censor anything that supreme court ruling is the beast that needs to be killed...
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    marco rubio, a tea party republican and major sponsor of the bill just withdrew his support for it...

    i do not understand how any republican, the kind who will cling to the constitution and drone on and on about loving freedom and getting government out of their lives at every chance they get, can have an ounce of support for these bills. these bills are censorship of the internet.

    you can not be for freedom AND support censorship. it does not work that way. not even in a vacuum...

    hmmm so youre all for anyone taking your intellectual property without compensating you for it? :think:
    i don't have any intellectual property on the internet. musicwise anyway...

    i had a blog once, and i don't see anyone beating down the door to steal any ideas in that piece of crap.

    the book i was writing is nowhere on line...

    the poems i had written are in books, not online..

    i believe that if you start censoring the internet you stifle the flow of information. and with the united states' declining level of understanding of most important issues, i think limiting information in this country could be one of the final nails in the proverbial coffin. then again, most people are too lazy to look up the information that is available online now so....

    always gotta be so literal. :roll: :P


    i meant generally and metaphorically(least in your case ;) ).


    i know people can justify illegal downloading and file sharing all they want... in fact i was listening to triple j yesterday when peeps were doing just that....i download but then i spend up big at live gigs... i only download those bands who are filthy rich... i dont do it with small indie bands....people tape/burn discs for friends so whats the difference.

    the problem i have with SOPA is its too broad. you cant hold search engines responsible for where it takes people if they are unaware of what takes place on that site.. least i dont think. however once theyre made aware of an illegal download/file sharing site i do think they have a responsibility to wipe that link. and this has nothing to do with stifling the sharing of information. imo
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    catefrances wrote:


    i know people can justify illegal downloading and file sharing all they want... in fact i was listening to triple j yesterday when peeps were doing just that....i download but then i spend up big at live gigs... i only download those bands who are filthy rich... i dont do it with small indie bands....people tape/burn discs for friends so whats the difference.

    the problem i have with SOPA is its too broad. you cant hold search engines responsible for where it takes people if they are unaware of what takes place on that site.. least i dont think. however once theyre made aware of an illegal download/file sharing site i do think they have a responsibility to wipe that link. and this has nothing to do with stifling the sharing of information. imo

    What SOPA is essentially about is control Cate. The govt uses piracy to be able to get their hands on the broad internet and say that it's for "safety" reasons. They don't put this in the writing, it's not really just about intellectual property, they just say it is to get their legislation passed. It's about internet censorship, something everyone should care about.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    marco rubio, a tea party republican and major sponsor of the bill just withdrew his support for it...

    i do not understand how any republican, the kind who will cling to the constitution and drone on and on about loving freedom and getting government out of their lives at every chance they get, can have an ounce of support for these bills. these bills are censorship of the internet.

    you can not be for freedom AND support censorship. it does not work that way. not even in a vacuum...

    republicans actually LOVE "big" government. as long as it legistlates Jesus laws, fetuses, coroporations and gives us a huge Kick Ass Military. Fuck yeah.

    just don't help the poor or actual people. lazy fuckers.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jeanwah wrote:
    catefrances wrote:


    i know people can justify illegal downloading and file sharing all they want... in fact i was listening to triple j yesterday when peeps were doing just that....i download but then i spend up big at live gigs... i only download those bands who are filthy rich... i dont do it with small indie bands....people tape/burn discs for friends so whats the difference.

    the problem i have with SOPA is its too broad. you cant hold search engines responsible for where it takes people if they are unaware of what takes place on that site.. least i dont think. however once theyre made aware of an illegal download/file sharing site i do think they have a responsibility to wipe that link. and this has nothing to do with stifling the sharing of information. imo

    What SOPA is essentially about is control Cate. The govt uses piracy to be able to get their hands on the broad internet and say that it's for "safety" reasons. They don't put this in the writing, it's not really just about intellectual property, they just say it is to get their legislation passed. It's about internet censorship, something everyone should care about.

    so i cant trust the US government??? those bastards! :lol:

    actually now that i think about it if this is US legislation how will it effect the rest of the worlds access???
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I love Piratebay
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Looks like the blackout has worked, supporters are droping like flies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/techn ... ted=1&_r=1
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,459
    obama said he would not sign either of these bills if passed.

    he has pissed off hollywood with this decision and they have said that they are cutting off funding his re-election bid, but the googles, yahoos, and tech companies will more than make up for that funding that hollywood is going to withold....

    this was a smart move by obama. who are the hollywood studio heads going to suppport next election?? a republican??? :lol::lol::lol:
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    I support the idea, but not the actual Act.


    IN reality, the stealing of music and movies, etc is a symptom of the entitled generation that we have coddled and developed. It's disgusting.

    Sorry, I have to now go tweet that I'm going to get a cup of coffee!!!! :roll:
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,459
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I support the idea, but not the actual Act.


    IN reality, the stealing of music and movies, etc is a symptom of the entitled generation that we have coddled and developed. It's disgusting.

    Sorry, I have to now go tweet that I'm going to get a cup of coffee!!!! :roll:
    i would also argue that if movie companies did not gouge customers with the price of blu ray discs people would not have to go looking for pirated copies. it is greed on both parts. if you price something higher than what your customers think it is worth they will be more likely to find it elsewhere.

    i am not defending pirating at all. i am just stating a different viewpoint.

    i don't download movies or music. as a musician i buy the cd and if i really want a movie i buy the dvd or blu-ray.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I support the idea, but not the actual Act.


    IN reality, the stealing of music and movies, etc is a symptom of the entitled generation that we have coddled and developed. It's disgusting.

    Sorry, I have to now go tweet that I'm going to get a cup of coffee!!!! :roll:
    i would also argue that if movie companies did not gouge customers with the price of blu ray discs people would not have to go looking for pirated copies. it is greed on both parts. if you price something higher than what your customers think it is worth they will be more likely to find it elsewhere.

    i am not defending pirating at all. i am just stating a different viewpoint.

    i don't download movies or music. as a musician i buy the cd and if i really want a movie i buy the dvd or blu-ray.

    So, if I'm not happy with the price of milk I can just steal it then? Please. If it was too expensive, don't buy it. Then the prices would have come down. Now you steal it and raise the prices for everyone else.
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    cincybearcat wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I support the idea, but not the actual Act.


    IN reality, the stealing of music and movies, etc is a symptom of the entitled generation that we have coddled and developed. It's disgusting.

    Sorry, I have to now go tweet that I'm going to get a cup of coffee!!!! :roll:
    i would also argue that if movie companies did not gouge customers with the price of blu ray discs people would not have to go looking for pirated copies. it is greed on both parts. if you price something higher than what your customers think it is worth they will be more likely to find it elsewhere.

    i am not defending pirating at all. i am just stating a different viewpoint.

    i don't download movies or music. as a musician i buy the cd and if i really want a movie i buy the dvd or blu-ray.

    So, if I'm not happy with the price of milk I can just steal it then? Please. If it was too expensive, don't buy it. Then the prices would have come down. Now you steal it and raise the prices for everyone else.

    I think copying something is, to some extent, different than stealing something of which there's only a finite amount, i.e. it can't be copied.

    Regardless, how does pirating raise prices for everyone else, exactly?

    Also, to which generation are you referring? People have been copying music since long before the Internet.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I support the idea, but not the actual Act.


    IN reality, the stealing of music and movies, etc is a symptom of the entitled generation that we have coddled and developed. It's disgusting.

    Sorry, I have to now go tweet that I'm going to get a cup of coffee!!!! :roll:
    i would also argue that if movie companies did not gouge customers with the price of blu ray discs people would not have to go looking for pirated copies. it is greed on both parts. if you price something higher than what your customers think it is worth they will be more likely to find it elsewhere.

    i am not defending pirating at all. i am just stating a different viewpoint.

    i don't download movies or music. as a musician i buy the cd and if i really want a movie i buy the dvd or blu-ray.

    exactly, if you look back to the first page in this thread I posted about Louis C.K.'s experiment. It was a huge success. There is money to be made......the music/film industry has been greedy for far too many years. I think the vast majority of consumers are honest and want to compensate the creators of content for what the content is worth.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,459
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So, if I'm not happy with the price of milk I can just steal it then? Please. If it was too expensive, don't buy it. Then the prices would have come down. Now you steal it and raise the prices for everyone else.
    i just presented a different viewpoint. i was just poking holes in the bucket of water that is the capitalist system.

    i do as you suggested. if i can't afford something i don't buy it. i get a certain satisfaction at being able to afford and pay for the things i want. the things i can't afford are obviously things that i do not need or want badly enough to purchase or obtain them any other way. this is why i do not travel overseas, because it is not enough of a priority and i do not need to do it.

    a gallon of milk is not intellectual property. and i did not advocate stealing anything. i just said that the greed of these movie and record companies sets the price high, and if the consumer for whatever reason wants to find it elsewhere, ie free, if they put in the effort they will find it.

    are you saying you support the sopa?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    are you saying you support the sopa?

    Nope, as I already said, I support the spirit of the law, but not as it's written.

    The reality is, we are probably in a place where we will have to live with people stealing music, movies etc. and the people that make the movies, music, etc are going to have to figure out how to make it work for them.

    As far as how other's pay more when people steal movies, music, etc...it's pretty evident isn't it? If people are stealing stuff, the manufacturer has to raise prices on those that are actually buying it in order to pay for it. They are passing the cost off on their consumers, at least a portion of it.
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    obama said he would not sign either of these bills if passed.

    he has pissed off hollywood with this decision and they have said that they are cutting off funding his re-election bid, but the googles, yahoos, and tech companies will more than make up for that funding that hollywood is going to withold....

    this was a smart move by obama. who are the hollywood studio heads going to suppport next election?? a republican??? :lol::lol::lol:

    Yeah, didn't he say that he wouldn't sign the NDAA though too? I don't think his word can be trusted anymore.

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