Victim of the 80's

Godfather.

I just got word a guy from my home town is coming home after 30 years in prison, in all honesty he was no victim infact he was what embodyed the 80's drug culture of meth money and finally a murder of a top level drug manufacture.
he was caught arested and sent to prison, now he's home back in the town where it all started and trying to put the past behind him...gotta be tough.
the 80's in Lakeside Ca. was a fast and strange time the news called it the meth capital of the world at that time,meth and money were everywhere and people paid the price in one way or another most got 10 years in prison for their involvment and some paid with their lives...just to party and make some money,crazy times for sure.

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

Are you concerned that he didnt get enough punishment?
Or that he's going to be on the streets with you and your family?

he still stands

this is why drugs should be legal. people are ALWAYS going to find a way to do them, so there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Make it legal, make it safe and let people put the shit into their bodies if they want to.

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Are you concerned that he didnt get enough punishment?
Or that he's going to be on the streets with you and your family?

no worries here and his punishment was handed down by Neveda and California courts
so it really dose not matter what I think now does it.

Godfather.

Godfather.

he still stands wrote:

this is why drugs should be legal. people are ALWAYS going to find a way to do them, so there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Make it legal, make it safe and let people put the shit into their bodies if they want to.

SAFE ????

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Are you concerned that he didnt get enough punishment?
Or that he's going to be on the streets with you and your family?

no worries here and his punishment was handed down by Neveda and California courts
so it really dose not matter what I think now does it.

Godfather.

I was just curious because I know you live by "let the punishment fit the crime" motto. Therefore, he should be murdered. Isn't that what he deserves?

I do think it matters what you think, btw. Personally, I would not be happy hearing this guy was out of prison and living in my area if he was implicated in murder. but then again, I dont know the details.

he still stands

Godfather. wrote:

he still stands wrote:

this is why drugs should be legal. people are ALWAYS going to find a way to do them, so there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Make it legal, make it safe and let people put the shit into their bodies if they want to.

SAFE ????

Godfather.

depending on what substance you're talking about, it can be relatively safe.

The problems come from not knowing what is in the substance, because it is made in someone's garage rather than a laborator, and from taking too much, because you don't know the potency of the substance. Sure problems often arise from abuse, but leave that up to the idiot who doesn't know when to stop.

Basically Godfather, drugs will always be used... there is no stopping it. Just look at how much "success" the war on drugs has had... NONE. Might as well make it safer for the people who desire to use them.

Godfather.

he still stands wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

he still stands wrote:

this is why drugs should be legal. people are ALWAYS going to find a way to do them, so there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Make it legal, make it safe and let people put the shit into their bodies if they want to.

SAFE ????

Godfather.

depending on what substance you're talking about, it can be relatively safe.

The problems come from not knowing what is in the substance, because it is made in someone's garage rather than a laborator, and from taking too much, because you don't know the potency of the substance. Sure problems often arise from abuse, but leave that up to the idiot who doesn't know when to stop.

Basically Godfather, drugs will always be used... there is no stopping it. Just look at how much "success" the war on drugs has had... NONE. Might as well make it safer for the people who desire to use them.

well man it will just never happen,I beleive the Fed's have way too much invested in this drug war to just walk away they don't want colombians to just be able to buy a business lic. and flood our market with coke and meth...and weed,could you imagine the major corporations that would spring up if leagelization really happened ?
people would trading bales of weed on the open market along with keys of coke then the inseurance companys would go ape-shit just trying to cover the over-dose rate in the hosiptals...and the hosiptals would go bat shit crazy with the explosion of un-insured drug cases that would flood the ER's...ahhhhhh ! madness I tell you..madness !
and project housing would grow like mad flooded with drugies that get state funding because they're so wacked out they can't work.


Godfather.

Eraserhead

80s.

Sorry.

Godfather.

Eraserhead wrote:

80s.

Sorry.

for what ?

Godfather.

EmBleve

Godfather. wrote:

now he's home back in the town where it all started and trying to put the past behind him...gotta be tough.

Jason P

I was a victim of 80's music.

Jason P

he still stands wrote:

this is why drugs should be legal. people are ALWAYS going to find a way to do them, so there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Make it legal, make it safe and let people put the shit into their bodies if they want to.

Even meth?

he still stands

Jason P wrote:

he still stands wrote:

this is why drugs should be legal. people are ALWAYS going to find a way to do them, so there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Make it legal, make it safe and let people put the shit into their bodies if they want to.

Even meth?

yep. make it legal, tax it, and educate people on how it kills you.

kind of like cigarettes and booze.

EmBleve

Jason P wrote:

I was a victim of 80's music.

so was I.

Jason P

he still stands wrote:

Jason P wrote:

he still stands wrote:

this is why drugs should be legal. people are ALWAYS going to find a way to do them, so there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Make it legal, make it safe and let people put the shit into their bodies if they want to.

Even meth?

yep. make it legal, tax it, and educate people on how it kills you.

kind of like cigarettes and booze.

They have been educating people but to no avail. And people would still manufacture it illegally because it would be cheaper then a taxed good.

Thankfully, a huge majority of the general population does not agree with you. I'd take it a step in the opposite direction and outlaw the sale of its main ingredient.

Godfather.

"Thankfully, a huge majority of the general population does not agree with you. I'd take it a step in the opposite direction and outlaw the sale of its main ingredient." :thumbup: Im with you on that.


they have, back in the early 80's there was a lab supply in lakeside called "triple neck labrotory supply" and every meth cooker was buying from them illegally so the cops busted the place but kept it running and every time a cook bought supplys a undercover agent would follow them to their kitchen and watch them till the finished product was ready for sale then bust them, there was also a pool supply in el cajon that was a front for a meth lab and cops did the same to that business and nailed a lot of people...I had to laugh !!!!

Godfather.

Drowned Out

Jason P wrote:

They have been educating people but to no avail. And people would still manufacture it illegally because it would be cheaper then a taxed good.
Thankfully, a huge majority of the general population does not agree with you. I'd take it a step in the opposite direction and outlaw the sale of its main ingredient.

A huge majority of the general population has not been shown an alternative, nor taken the time to look into them. They've also been exposed to 3+ decades of intense propaganda in support of the current system. Why further criminalize a health issue?

Making another substance illegal only creates another black market for people to die over. Are you going to make it illegal everywhere and pressure foreign governments to follow your lead, or else lose funding and trading priviliges? Like the US does already with trade partners and 'aid' recipients who attempt to reform their drug laws?

The supposed 'fact' that education has been to no avail only reinforces the FACT that we cannot eliminate the demand for psychoactives...

Do you really think it would be cheaper for some basement meth lab to sell their wares, than a large-scale, legit, regulated operation, even if the drugs were taxed? I doubt it.

Why can't they regulate hard drugs like any other factory drug? Why can't they treat cocaine like oxycontin or percocet? A purity standard would allow a measure of safety in that users could monitor how much they've used, and be told how much is generally considered 'safe' for a healthy person to ingest (much the same as a prescription for painkillers). And before anyone jumps up and down saying this would lead to increased use, most research and case studies have proven the opposite; that legalization and de-stigmitization lead to disinterest in young people.

Jason P

Drowned Out wrote:

Jason P wrote:

They have been educating people but to no avail. And people would still manufacture it illegally because it would be cheaper then a taxed good.
Thankfully, a huge majority of the general population does not agree with you. I'd take it a step in the opposite direction and outlaw the sale of its main ingredient.

A huge majority of the general population has not been shown an alternative, nor taken the time to look into them. They've also been exposed to 3+ decades of intense propaganda in support of the current system. Why further criminalize a health issue?

Making another substance illegal only creates another black market for people to die over. Are you going to make it illegal everywhere and pressure foreign governments to follow your lead, or else lose funding and trading priviliges? Like the US does already with trade partners and 'aid' recipients who attempt to reform their drug laws?

The supposed 'fact' that education has been to no avail only reinforces the FACT that we cannot eliminate the demand for psychoactives...

Do you really think it would be cheaper for some basement meth lab to sell their wares, than a large-scale, legit, regulated operation, even if the drugs were taxed? I doubt it.

Why can't they regulate hard drugs like any other factory drug? Why can't they treat cocaine like oxycontin or percocet? A purity standard would allow a measure of safety in that users could monitor how much they've used, and be told how much is generally considered 'safe' for a healthy person to ingest (much the same as a prescription for painkillers). And before anyone jumps up and down saying this would lead to increased use, most research and case studies have proven the opposite; that legalization and de-stigmitization lead to disinterest in young people.

I have never seen cocaine. Nor would I even know where to go to buy it. And I avoid it because it is illegal. But I've heard it's fun. And if I could go buy it legally at the corner store, sooner or later I would give it a try.

Also, is there or is there not a black market for painkillers?

Godfather.

coke is not as fun as people say it is, a good meal and a pretty is about as it gets if you want to have some fun.

Godfather.

mikepegg44

Jason P wrote:

he still stands wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Even meth?

yep. make it legal, tax it, and educate people on how it kills you.

kind of like cigarettes and booze.

They have been educating people but to no avail. And people would still manufacture it illegally because it would be cheaper then a taxed good.

Thankfully, a huge majority of the general population does not agree with you. I'd take it a step in the opposite direction and outlaw the sale of its main ingredient.

dont know how much cheaper it would be...it is pretty cheap now...

I just would hope the new stuff would come in pill form and it wouldn't melt faces like the fucking ark of the covenant

Drowned Out

Jason P wrote:

I have never seen cocaine. Nor would I even know where to go to buy it. And I avoid it because it is illegal. But I've heard it's fun. And if I could go buy it legally at the corner store, sooner or later I would give it a try.

Also, is there or is there not a black market for painkillers?

You can't blame the fact that it's available for your use - you could go find it right now if you wanted to. If you don't do it cause it's illegal, good for you. But if you WOULD do it just because it's legal....I don't know what to tell you. But it would be your prerogative to do so. You're a grown man, you can decide what to put in your body.
What's your point with the black market for painkillers? Of course there is. There is a black market for nearly every product in existence.
We can flip that question and ask what you think the result would be if they criminalized painkillers? It would make that black market a deadly, incredibly profitable one. As is right now, it's somewhat contained as most people can still get scripts for them one way or another.
I understand that there would be challenges legalizing hard drugs. Namely - patent laws, regulatory costs, liability, and insurance.....all crippling issues in the current pharma market. But issues that need to be dealt with already. Why not make drug reforms the impetus to fix the whole bloody thing? (ya right, right? ) The FDA is one of the most corrupt agencies in a sea of corruption....
I know this is so unlikely to happen that it's damn near utopian...It would take a paradigm shift to change the public mindset, and there are powerful, entrenched interests opposing it. Still, I think it's important to keep considering new options because what we're doing now is not helping anyone....well...except the CIA, organized crime, for-profit prison owners, and their prison (slave) labour clients....

catefrances

EmBleve wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I was a victim of 80's music.

so was I.

madonna made me do it.

Drowned Out

The 80s get a bad rap when it comes to music. LOTS of GREAT music came out of the 80s. I'd take it over almost any decade other than the 90s.
I can't tell if I'm on topic or not

LikeAnOcean

Drowned Out wrote:

The 80s get a bad rap when it comes to music. LOTS of GREAT music came out of the 80s. I'd take it over almost any decade other than the 90s.
I can't tell if I'm on topic or not

I agree..

Bruce Springsteen, Ramones, 80s Neil Young, Talking Heads, The Church, R.E.M., The Clash, Crowded House, The Cure, The Flaming Lips, Fugazi, The Police, The Psychedelic Furs, DEVO, David Bowie, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Tom Petty, U2...



Besides Pearl Jam, I'll take the 80s over the 90s any day.

acrossssSsssshittt

Gob wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

The 80s get a bad rap when it comes to music. LOTS of GREAT music came out of the 80s. I'd take it over almost any decade other than the 90s.
I can't tell if I'm on topic or not

I agree..

Bruce Springsteen, Ramones, 80s Neil Young, Talking Heads, The Church, R.E.M., The Clash, Crowded House, The Cure, The Flaming Lips, Fugazi, The Police, The Psychedelic Furs, DEVO, David Bowie, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Tom Petty, U2...

... and stevie nicks!

Godfather.

acrossssSsssshittt wrote:

Gob wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

The 80s get a bad rap when it comes to music. LOTS of GREAT music came out of the 80s. I'd take it over almost any decade other than the 90s.
I can't tell if I'm on topic or not

I agree..

Bruce Springsteen, Ramones, 80s Neil Young, Talking Heads, The Church, R.E.M., The Clash, Crowded House, The Cure, The Flaming Lips, Fugazi, The Police, The Psychedelic Furs, DEVO, David Bowie, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Tom Petty, U2...

... and stevie nicks!

Stevie Nicks is hot brother ! still today a beatiful woman !!!!!

Godfather.

Godfather.

I'm still a 80's metal head, Judas Priest- Kiss- Dogs of War-Aerosmith-Saxon-Deep Purple-Black Sabbath-Krokus
Steve Vie-Victim-....and so on.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Jason P wrote:

I was a victim of 80's music.

I was the victim of 80's haircuts.

Jason P

Gob wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

The 80s get a bad rap when it comes to music. LOTS of GREAT music came out of the 80s. I'd take it over almost any decade other than the 90s.
I can't tell if I'm on topic or not

I agree..

Bruce Springsteen, Ramones, 80s Neil Young, Talking Heads, The Church, R.E.M., The Clash, Crowded House, The Cure, The Flaming Lips, Fugazi, The Police, The Psychedelic Furs, DEVO, David Bowie, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Tom Petty, U2...



Besides Pearl Jam, I'll take the 80s over the 90s any day.

There was good music hidden in the 80's, but all I remember is Tears for Fears screaming "Shout, Shout, Let it all out!" at me over and over and over on MTV. Don't even get me started on Hair Metal.

Plus, Springsteen kinda freaked out, fired the E-Street Band, and put out Tunnel of Love.