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Selective Service - Military Conscription

Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,278
edited December 2011 in A Moving Train
Should we continue to require that 18 year old men sign up for military conscription; should we make 18 year old women sign up as well; should we do away with military conscription?

What do you think?

If we make men do it, then women should do it as well.

Military conscription doesn't seem to be necessary at this time . . . considering how it wasn't used within the past 10 years.
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  • MayDay MaloneMayDay Malone Posts: 641
    I think everyone should have to serve 2 years. Before college.

    Teach these kids some discipline. Too much spoiled whining from the little ingrates these days...




    8-)
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Do away with it, we have enough people in this country nowadays in conjuction with brainwashing media, more than enough kids thinking there doing the right thing :roll:.
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Do away with it, we have enough people in this country nowadays in conjuction with brainwashing media, more than enough kids thinking there doing the right thing :roll:.


    Are you putting them down? I have good friends in the military and I find this pretty offensive.
  • UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Do away with it, we have enough people in this country nowadays in conjuction with brainwashing media, more than enough kids thinking there doing the right thing :roll:.


    Are you putting them down? I have good friends in the military and I find this pretty offensive.

    I don't think he meant that as offensive; just stating that kids at 18 years old can be impressionable. Quite young to be recruited into something with so much at stake.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    I think everyone should have to serve 2 years. Before college.

    Teach these kids some discipline. Too much spoiled whining from the little ingrates these days...




    8-)

    If this was the case with no governmental exceptions....we would have far less people ready to beat the drums of war. Just a tad bit of military experience would change many minds on the concept that fighting these wars is good for America's business.

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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    UpSideDown wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Do away with it, we have enough people in this country nowadays in conjuction with brainwashing media, more than enough kids thinking there doing the right thing :roll:.


    Are you putting them down? I have good friends in the military and I find this pretty offensive.

    I don't think he meant that as offensive; just stating that kids at 18 years old can be impressionable. Quite young to be recruited into something with so much at stake.


    I hope so.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i don't think there will ever be another draft. it would be politically fatal for whoever voted to implement the draft again.

    a volunteer soldier is what they want, not someone who is there against their own will. it is too bad for morale and it can jeopardize lives and even the mission.

    that said, the only way to guarantee that there will never be another draft is to get rid of the law requiring kids to register.
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i don't think there will ever be another draft. it would be politically fatal for whoever voted to implement the draft again.

    a volunteer soldier is what they want, not someone who is there against their own will. it is too bad for morale and it can jeopardize lives and even the mission.

    that said, the only way to guarantee that there will never be another draft is to get rid of the law requiring kids to register.


    I agree
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,278
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i don't think there will ever be another draft. it would be politically fatal for whoever voted to implement the draft again.

    a volunteer soldier is what they want, not someone who is there against their own will. it is too bad for morale and it can jeopardize lives and even the mission.

    that said, the only way to guarantee that there will never be another draft is to get rid of the law requiring kids to register.


    I agree
    1+ or whatever the shorthand is for I agree, as well.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    No need for it. Do away with it. If I were called, I would not fight.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    UpSideDown wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Do away with it, we have enough people in this country nowadays in conjuction with brainwashing media, more than enough kids thinking there doing the right thing :roll:.


    Are you putting them down? I have good friends in the military and I find this pretty offensive.

    I don't think he meant that as offensive; just stating that kids at 18 years old can be impressionable. Quite young to be recruited into something with so much at stake.


    Yes, i ment this, i have freinds and family that are career, but there sure not recommending it to anybody. two of my friends could have gotten out years ago but are afraid because of the job market, they figure at least it's a steady check and benefits.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    I think everyone should have to serve 2 years. Before college.

    Teach these kids some discipline. Too much spoiled whining from the little ingrates these days...




    8-)
    Fuck no. I'm not going over to shoot somebody just because my government tells me to.
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  • MayDay MaloneMayDay Malone Posts: 641
    keeponrockin wrote:
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    I think everyone should have to serve 2 years. Before college.

    Teach these kids some discipline. Too much spoiled whining from the little ingrates these days...




    8-)
    Fuck no. I'm not going over to shoot somebody just because my government tells me to.


    Imagine they percentage of our military who has actually SHOT someone... .00001%? maybe.

    Funny tho, on the Train, being in the military means "shooting people".

    Doubt you'd shoot if they were on your own lawn, but whatever.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    I think it will eventually be done away with sooner, than later, because of two reasons.

    1) Private military contractors are replacing the bulk of U.S. soldiers. US soldiers are seeing their responsibilities becoming subordinate to these private contractors. You have only to look at Reflex Response who is now technically serving as a privately hired military of a country and no jurisdiction (the State Department, the UN, the ICC, or the Hague) or country has challenged this business venture.

    Now that private military contractors can legally be placed on the streets of America without the request or support of any Governor, the need for a large National Guard is no longer necessary and large police departments can be reduced as contractors and unmanned drones will soon be the norm.

    2) The cost of maintaining a large (federal pay employees) military. If some of you can remember Congress’s embarrassment when it allowed the federal government to shutdown forgetting that our military were designated federal pay employees. A reduced military is a reduction of the federal government.

    It gives the States the ability to break the largest and strongest public worker union in America, law enforcement and replacement them with contractors, while meeting their budget needs.


    The downfall in all this, is that eventually and probably too late, we’ll wake up to a political police state disguised as a democracy.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    puremagic wrote:
    I think it will eventually be done away with sooner, than later, because of two reasons.

    1) Private military contractors are replacing the bulk of U.S. soldiers. US soldiers are seeing their responsibilities becoming subordinate to these private contractors. You have only to look at Reflex Response who is now technically serving as a privately hired military of a country and no jurisdiction (the State Department, the UN, the ICC, or the Hague) or country has challenged this business venture.

    Now that private military contractors can legally be placed on the streets of America without the request or support of any Governor, the need for a large National Guard is no longer necessary and large police departments can be reduced as contractors and unmanned drones will soon be the norm.

    2) The cost of maintaining a large (federal pay employees) military. If some of you can remember Congress’s embarrassment when it allowed the federal government to shutdown forgetting that our military were designated federal pay employees. A reduced military is a reduction of the federal government.

    It gives the States the ability to break the largest and strongest public worker union in America, law enforcement and replacement them with contractors, while meeting their budget needs.


    The downfall in all this, is that eventually and probably too late, we’ll wake up to a political police state disguised as a democracy.
    this is a very good post and points out a few things i did not consider.

    i don't know why they would rather pay contractors at a rate of up to 3 times what a soldier makes.
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  • Sludge FactorySludge Factory Posts: 976
    Anybody ever play Metal Gear Solid 4? It has a bunch of private military contractor discussion going on in it. Some crazy shit thought up for that game but yet it eerily mimics the way this world seems to be going.

    I did think the commercials that played in the game if you waited too long before starting the game were pretty neat.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    I think everyone should have to serve 2 years. Before college.

    Teach these kids some discipline. Too much spoiled whining from the little ingrates these days...




    8-)
    Fuck no. I'm not going over to shoot somebody just because my government tells me to.


    Imagine they percentage of our military who has actually SHOT someone... .00001%? maybe.

    Funny tho, on the Train, being in the military means "shooting people".

    Doubt you'd shoot if they were on your own lawn, but whatever.
    Military means part of the war machine, and I would never go to war just because those in charge thinks it's a good idea. Did you serve? Do you serve?

    On my lawn, I have a story I bring up about this... One time my family was having dinner, and we looked out the back yard and a young guy, 20ish years old had jumped over our fence. He was trespassing on our property... We opened the back door, kinda said 'what the hell are you doing?'.. He said some kids were chasing him with water guns on the way to a party, so he hopped a fence. Thank god I didn't shoot this invader!
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    BinauralJam wrote:
    ...they figure at least it's a steady check and benefits.


    Same with my friends. They are trying to pay for college without having a ton of student loans.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    ...they figure at least it's a steady check and benefits.


    Same with my friends. They are trying to pay for college without having a ton of student loans.
    That's how my grandpa got to school, simply would not have been able to do it.

    I have a ton of respect for the military, something I for one know I could never do.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
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