War Mongers

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited December 2011 in A Moving Train
What's up with people craving war and destruction? I'm intrigued as to what motivates people to cheer for war from the comfort of their armchairs. Is there something lacking in their lives?

Anyway, this article helps to explain the current state of affairs our myopic leaders have brought us to:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... NTCMP=SRCH

War drums are beating for Iran. But who's playing them?

Just like the taxpayers of medieval Italian cities, we're having our money siphoned off to pay for a a greedy military machine


Terry Jones
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 6 December 2011



In the 14th century there were two pandemics. One was the Black Death, the other was the commercialisation of warfare. Mercenaries had always existed, but under Edward III they became the mainstay of the English army for the first 20 years of what became the Hundred Years war. Then, when Edward signed the treaty of Brétigny in 1360 and told his soldiers to stop fighting and go home, many of them didn't have any homes to go to. They were used to fighting, and that's how they made their money. So they simply formed themselves into freelance armies, aptly called "free companies", that proceeded around France pillaging, killing and raping.

One of these armies was called the Great Company. It totalled, according to one estimate, 16,000 soldiers, larger than any existing national army. Eventually it descended on the pope, in Avignon, and held him to ransom. The pope made the mistake of paying off the mercenaries with huge amounts of cash, which only encouraged them to carry on marauding. He also suggested that they move on into Italy, where his arch-enemies, the Visconti, ran Milan. This they did, under the banner of the Marquis of Monferrato, again subsidised by the pope.

The nightmare had begun. Huge armies of brigands rampaging through Europe was a disaster second only to the plague. It seemed as if the genie had been let out of the bottle and there was no way of putting him back in. Warfare had suddenly turned into a profitable business; the Italian city states became impoverished as taxpayers' money was used to buy off the free companies. And since those who made money out of the business of war naturally wished to go on making money out of it, warfare had no foreseeable end.

Wind forward 650 years or so. The US, under George W Bush, decided to privatise the invasion of Iraq by employing private "contractors" like the Blackwater company, now renamed Xe Services. In 2003 Blackwater won a $27m no-bid contract for guarding Paul Bremer, then head of the Coalition Provisional Authority. For protecting officials in conflict zones since 2004, the company has received more than $320m. And this year the Obama government contracted to pay Xe Services a quarter of a billion dollars for security work in Afghanistan. This is just one of many companies making its profits out of warfare.

In 2000 the Project for the New American Century published a report, Rebuilding America's Defenses, whose declared aim was to up the spending on defence from 3% to 3.5% or 3.8% of American gross domestic product. In fact it is now running at 4.7% of GDP. In the UK we spend about $57bn a year on defence, or 2.5% of GDP.

Just like the taxpayers of medieval Italian city-states, we are having our money siphoned off into the business of war. Any responsible company needs to make profits for its shareholders. In the 14th century the shareholders in the free companies were the soldiers themselves. If the company wasn't being employed by someone to make war on someone else, the shareholders had to forgo their dividends. So they looked around to create markets for themselves.

Sir John Hawkwood's White Company would offer its services to the pope or to the city of Florence. If either turned his offer down, Hawkwood would simply make an offer to their enemies. As Francis Stonor Saunders writes in her wonderful book, Hawkwood – Diabolical Englishman: "The value of the companies was the purely negative one of maintaining the balance of military power between the cities." Just like the cold war.

Two decades ago I picked up an in-house magazine for the arms industry. Its editorial was headed "Thank God For Saddam". It explained that, since the collapse of communism and end of the cold war, the order books of the arms industry had been empty. But now there was a new enemy, the industry could look forward to a bonanza. The invasion of Iraq was built around a lie: Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, but the defence industry needed an enemy, and the politicians duly supplied one.

And now the same war drums, encouraged by the storming of the British embassy last week, are beating for an attack on Iran. Seymour Hersh writes in the New Yorker: "All of the low enriched uranium now known to be produced inside Iran is accounted for." The recent IAEA report which provoked such outcry against Iran's nuclear ambitions, he continues, contains nothing that proves that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.


In the 14th century it was the church that lived in symbiosis with the military. Nowadays it is the politicians. The US government spent a staggering $687bn on "defence" in 2010. Think what could be done with that money if it were put into hospitals, schools or to pay off foreclosed mortgages.

The retiring US president, Dwight D Eisenhower, famously took the opportunity of his farewell to the nation address in 1961 to warn his fellow countrymen of the danger in allowing too close a relationship between politicians and the defence industry.

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience," he said. "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." It exists. The genie is out of the bottle again.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Part of it greed and profit... the other part is a self-fulfilling prophecy to almost convince yourself that it's good vs bad, and if we could just put others in order, things would be safe and ok. In reality, it's a psychological mechanism which "the victors" portray in order to delude themselves into thinking what they are doing is altruistic, in everyone's best interest and positive. The Europeans did the same thing during colonization of most places and called it "white mans burden" - to bring forth the lessor barbarians up to the times, they had to colonize and upgrade them even though they were exploiting and destroying them.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Part of it greed and profit... the other part is a self-fulfilling prophecy to almost convince yourself that it's good vs bad, and if we could just put others in order, things would be safe and ok. In reality, it's a psychological mechanism which "the victors" portray in order to delude themselves into thinking what they are doing is altruistic, in everyone's best interest and positive. The Europeans did the same thing during colonization of most places and called it "white mans burden" - to bring forth the lessor barbarians up to the times, they had to colonize and upgrade them even though they were exploiting and destroying them.

    Could well be.

    Although I wonder what makes, say, the U.S, so different in this respect from, say, Finland, or Portugal. Why do the people of some countries seem to need to beat war drums all the time, while others don't? Maybe it has something to do with the U.S being a relatively new country.
    And I know that many countries in Africa have been at war for long periods, but they can also arguably be classed as new countries following colonialism.

    :think:


    Anyway, back to dick jokes... :P
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Part of it greed and profit... the other part is a self-fulfilling prophecy to almost convince yourself that it's good vs bad, and if we could just put others in order, things would be safe and ok. In reality, it's a psychological mechanism which "the victors" portray in order to delude themselves into thinking what they are doing is altruistic, in everyone's best interest and positive. The Europeans did the same thing during colonization of most places and called it "white mans burden" - to bring forth the lessor barbarians up to the times, they had to colonize and upgrade them even though they were exploiting and destroying them.

    Could well be.

    Although I wonder what makes, say, the U.S, so different in this respect from, say, Finland, or Portugal. Why do the people of some countries seem to need to beat war drums all the time, while others don't? Maybe it has something to do with the U.S being a relatively new country.
    And I know that many countries in Africa have been at war for long periods, but they can also arguably be classed as new countries following colonialism.

    :think:


    Anyway, back to dick jokes... :P


    when you consider 2 of the most defining moments in the USs history(if not the 2 most) were the war of independence and the war between the states(cause war is never civil), it doesnt surprise me at all that they rattle their sabres so often and so loudly. they think its the answer to a whole lot of questions and they dont seem to reflect much upon it. punching someone in the face is so much easier than discussing what the problem is and how it can be solved without violence. alls you gotta do is look at this current war on terror... not once has washington bothered to look at WHY 9/11 happened and maybe change some things ... all they know is they were attacked and so someone has to pay. be it afghanistan, iraq or their own people.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I think a large part of it has to do with the notion of good and bad nationalism. Our nation is relatively young but we have not really ever had direct warfare in our own back yard. Places where many have witnessed and have long-standing reminders tend more to shy away from conflict and war as a knee-jerk reaction. As for most of the Southern Hemisphere which was effected by colonization (the americas and africa), in many of those places, as they became independent from colonial grasps, they either installed home grown regimes or have had corruption and greatly rot away their chances at developing as they'd hope. There's also the greed aspect which occurs more recently due to globalization and outsiders plundering, but it's quite amazing to step back and look at the North/South divide and not trace it back to colonization and you could probably make the claim nowadays that globalization and economic forces have replaced standing soldiers guiding the practices and policies.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Part of it greed and profit... the other part is a self-fulfilling prophecy to almost convince yourself that it's good vs bad, and if we could just put others in order, things would be safe and ok. In reality, it's a psychological mechanism which "the victors" portray in order to delude themselves into thinking what they are doing is altruistic, in everyone's best interest and positive. The Europeans did the same thing during colonization of most places and called it "white mans burden" - to bring forth the lessor barbarians up to the times, they had to colonize and upgrade them even though they were exploiting and destroying them.

    Could well be.

    Although I wonder what makes, say, the U.S, so different in this respect from, say, Finland, or Portugal. Why do the people of some countries seem to need to beat war drums all the time, while others don't? Maybe it has something to do with the U.S being a relatively new country.
    And I know that many countries in Africa have been at war for long periods, but they can also arguably be classed as new countries following colonialism.

    :think:


    Anyway, back to dick jokes... :P
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Byrnzie wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Part of it greed and profit... the other part is a self-fulfilling prophecy to almost convince yourself that it's good vs bad, and if we could just put others in order, things would be safe and ok. In reality, it's a psychological mechanism which "the victors" portray in order to delude themselves into thinking what they are doing is altruistic, in everyone's best interest and positive. The Europeans did the same thing during colonization of most places and called it "white mans burden" - to bring forth the lessor barbarians up to the times, they had to colonize and upgrade them even though they were exploiting and destroying them.

    Could well be.

    Although I wonder what makes, say, the U.S, so different in this respect from, say, Finland, or Portugal. Why do the people of some countries seem to need to beat war drums all the time, while others don't? Maybe it has something to do with the U.S being a relatively new country.
    And I know that many countries in Africa have been at war for long periods, but they can also arguably be classed as new countries following colonialism.

    :think:


    Anyway, back to dick jokes... :P

    Well, being one of the most powerful countries in the world would make any of its slightly wacked citizens crazed for power... Put that together with too much pride, mix in arrogance, entitlement, gluttony, greed and top it off with some ignorance and there you go.
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