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US Senate votes On Indefinite Detention

7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
edited December 2011 in A Moving Train
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 26474.html

any thoughts?

President Obama says he will veto it.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    7RayZ wrote:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/12/201112773810926474.html

    any thoughts?

    President Obama says he will veto it.


    It is a disgusting over-reach of power. I realize that people hate this kind of argument, but when you give an inch to the government (patriot act) they take a mile (indefinite detention of US citizens)
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  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    I agree.

    If I was President Obama Id be using the Patriot Act to define true terrorist to the country and Constitution. A Governing Accounting Board of sorts.

    I mean house members walking out on deals to make $$ for their own profit. WTF is that? Presidential Candidate who are business members leverage buyouts shutting down corporations and people's lives, for their own profit. Governmental members setting up for false failure corporations to grab the cash cow and pork barrel politics. Things that are destroying the people who pay into this system and not even benefiting from it. Government regimes that set up a false war and steal $$ and dont even pay back into a system.

    Define Terrorist.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=177350

    Has Obama vetoed it yet?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    he says he will veto it.

    i would veto that shit with authority....

    and i might even smack the desk really hard and yell "DOMINO MOTHERF@CKER!!!" as i send that shit back to the house to be re-written...






    8-)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    he says he will veto it.

    i would veto that shit with authority....

    and i might even smack the desk really hard and yell "DOMINO MOTHERF@CKER!!!" as i send that shit back to the house to be re-written...






    8-)



    politicians say a lot of things. ill believe it when he actually does it... and i wouldnt be sending it back to the house to be re written.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    catefrances wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    he says he will veto it.

    i would veto that shit with authority....

    and i might even smack the desk really hard and yell "DOMINO MOTHERF@CKER!!!" as i send that shit back to the house to be re-written...






    8-)



    politicians say a lot of things. ill believe it when he actually does it... and i wouldnt be sending it back to the house to be re written.
    it has to go back to the house to be rewritten. that is the procedure after a veto. the bill goes back to the house and they can either override the veto, or re-write the bill, pass it, have it pass the senate, and then the president can either sign it or veto it and send it back... and the process continues....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    he says he will veto it.

    i would veto that shit with authority....

    and i might even smack the desk really hard and yell "DOMINO MOTHERF@CKER!!!" as i send that shit back to the house to be re-written...






    8-)



    politicians say a lot of things. ill believe it when he actually does it... and i wouldnt be sending it back to the house to be re written.
    it has to go back to the house to be rewritten. that is the procedure after a veto. the bill goes back to the house and they can either override the veto, or re-write the bill, pass it, have it pass the senate, and then the president can either sign it or veto it and send it back... and the process continues....

    now let me get this straight...

    after the president vetoes it, it gets sent back to the house where the presidents veto can be over ridden???


    how about the president just says, i do not want that shit crossing my desk again. politricks is such bullshit.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    looks like there will be no veto

    http://jonathanturley.org/2011/12/15/ob ... americans/
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    the fact that this bill has passed on "bill of rights day" is drenched with irony...

    :twisted:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/1 ... 52114.html
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    So Ottawa or Toronto, heard Halifax is nice.
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    Oh my god why do I suddenly feel like killing someone?!?!?!?!? (not literally mods) These people are absolutely mad, and we are the biggest baffoons on the planet, possibly the universe, for putting up with them!!! I think I just had a minor stroke.
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    BinauralJam wrote:
    So Ottawa or Toronto, heard Halifax is nice.
    So thats what I hear.

    Im and hour and a half from the Canadian Border and willing to commandeer a large lake in a birchbark canoe or crawl through 'the wilderness" on my belly in the snow, if need be. :shock:
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    Shawshank wrote:
    Oh my god why do I suddenly feel like killing someone?!?!?!?!? (not literally mods) These people are absolutely mad, and we are the biggest baffoons on the planet, possibly the universe, for putting up with them!!! I think I just had a minor stroke.

    People are outraged enough. The tension is incredible. Let the military complex bitch slap all of you around some more.
  • MookiesLawMookiesLaw Posts: 158
    Barack Obama has abandoned a commitment to veto a new security law that allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... tion-obama

    First Obama was going to close Guantanamo and now he has signed authorization to jail Americans there. Fear, lies and poor leadership have successfully changed our values and our way of life by managing to bend the majority of our Politicians from both side of the isle to the will of the Terrorists. That in iteslf is some major accomplishment. It's pathetic that the same congress who could barely compromise to avoid default can so easily be Bi-partisan when it comes to shafting the American people. There is no doubt anymore that Obama and Bush are one and the same.

    R.I.P. America.
    The terrorists have won.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    actually the terrorists won with the passage of the patriot act and the legalization of warrantless wiretaps...and the outrageous security measures taken at airports, concerts, and even the damn cardinal baseball game...and the forced listening to "god bless america" during the 7th inning stretch...we never did any of that stuff before 9/11....

    freedom?




    yeah right...
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  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    Whatever. Death will become us. I liked the title in All Encompassing Trip," Shut this Cesspool Down." my immediate thought was Earth.
  • MookiesLawMookiesLaw Posts: 158
    BinauralJam wrote:
    So Ottawa or Toronto, heard Halifax is nice.

    Next up on the agenda..
    A law preventing the permanent transfer of personal wealth outside the U.S. You will be permitted to leave the country if you so wish and live somewhere else, but the majority of your assets will be required to remain here.

    Not such a stretch when you take into account the fact it's clear that many of our politicians have forgotten who they work for. Us.
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    actually the terrorists won with the passage of the patriot act and the legalization of warrantless wiretaps...and the outrageous security measures taken at airports, concerts, and even the damn cardinal baseball game...and the forced listening to "god bless america" during the 7th inning stretch...we never did any of that stuff before 9/11....

    freedom?




    yeah right...

    Oh I screamed, I screamed so hard when all the 9/11 shit went down Im was telling people theyre taking your freedoms, nobody listened then, you think they'ed listen now? Its gonna take the start of concentration camps before anyone gets off their ass. Honestly. My opinion.

    We have #OWS people concerned about all of us. Maybe giving some hope to the hopeless. Thats is about it. Look at Egypt. What started out looking like true freedom ended up with another BS puppet regime
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    MookiesLaw wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    So Ottawa or Toronto, heard Halifax is nice.

    Next up on the agenda..
    A law preventing the permanent transfer of personal wealth outside the U.S. You will be permitted to leave the country if you so wish and live somewhere else, but the majority of your assets will be required to remain here.

    Not such a stretch when you take into account the fact it's clear that many of our politicians have forgotten who they work for. Us.
    Good for us poor people... LMFAO. What assets? Here is my broken laptop and 200 bucks in the bank. Its all yours, fuckers.

    I dont know. Nobody has any $$. What more can they take? And in like times gave rise to Hitler, when people starving on the street in their fear and need of survival turns a blind eye to human atrocities.


    What else can they take after the money is gone, you ask?

    Our Freedoms.
  • blueandwhiteblueandwhite Posts: 662
    I always hear Americans ranting about their freedoms and the Bill or Rights, yet it seems painfully apparent that these rights no longer matter. Your government has been bought and paid for and your rights are slipping through your fingers faster than you can blink.

    The scariest thing happening in the US right now is the fact that the biggest threat you face is your own government. How can they casually pass legislation which essentially nullifies a person's right to due process? To me, this is real terror in action.
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    Well, that is exactly, the point some of us are trying to make. You cannot have supreme law of the land undercut by an "act". We've essentially created a freedom and rights paradox. The only way out at this point to assert our freedoms, since we're digging ourselves deeper into corporate facism, is a legal insurrection. A peaceful way out is invoking the rights of the 5th Amendment of our Constitution. But see even trying to do that one could be defined as a "terrorist" by current standards of the acts restricting that have been put into place in the past 15 years. I am again stressing the fact, the specific definition of what constitutes a "terrorist" is not clearly defined and vague, setting up an awful precedent against average citizens. Now piece that with "indefinite detention".

    Take my hand, let me show you the ways of how the scant few fucked the world and ran a marathon down the de-evolutionary path. 4 billion years of evolution, 100 years to shoot it out the ass, lovely.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    7RayZ wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    So Ottawa or Toronto, heard Halifax is nice.
    So thats what I hear.

    Im and hour and a half from the Canadian Border and willing to commandeer a large lake in a birchbark canoe or crawl through 'the wilderness" on my belly in the snow, if need be. :shock:


    come to northern minnesota and scuba threw lake of the woods...you might get lost, but you will make it to canada pretty much untouched...

    say hi to bubbles when you get there
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  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    Howdy neighbor! No bogs there though? Wouldnt want to end my life getting trapped under a floating mess of peat and driftwood in a "mud duck" pond. ;)
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    7RayZ wrote:
    Howdy neighbor! No bogs there though? Wouldnt want to end my life getting trapped under a floating mess of peat and driftwood in a "mud duck" pond. ;)


    you in nodak or are you living the finest state in the union (except for all the problems)?
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    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I feel sick to my stomach after hearing this news. I've had a friend attempt to move to Canada after 9/11. It wasn't successful because you need a work visa to stay, and she didn't have a steady job. She eventually moved back home to the States.
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    http://freakoutnation.com/2011/12/16/th ... ment-line/


    List of the (few) 13 senators who voted against the NDAA ... well you can guess the other 86 voted for.

    One did not vote!
  • blueandwhiteblueandwhite Posts: 662
    I think we've found 86 real terrorists right here. Anybody who would tread on the Bill of Rights like this clearly deserves that label.
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    Exactly. There is no excuse. Any of their office hands who advised Senators to vote after reading the bill and advised them on the vote should be charged as terrorist too. NDAA was all over the place in the news.

    I just heard the House is putting the breaks on it, heh...
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