Remember when I told you about people who embrace the poor and needy only during Christmas? The ones that are called bums or whores the rest of the year... but, come Christmas time, they are transformed into 'Those In Need'?
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Well... case in point is demonstrated in this thread.
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I believe that Charity is for the ones who need it... not, to make those whom give feel better about themselves.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't find fault for why or when or how often one gives
the important part is they give.
If one loses their sister to cancer and gives because of that experience,
the horrible memory of loss that doesn't leave, and it eases the pain, it is
a selfish need to give ... so be it.
Or if someone hits the Salvation Army bucket on the way into the store during holiday time
cause it makes then feel connected, good and better about themselves
thats fine, that is good, giving feels good. If only to give to feel good...
it's all good.
Lets not judge, the outcome is the same. Someone somewhere is receiving help
and giving is good! And if the giver feels great cause of it...
awesome! imo
Well, I know this guy has been on the same fucking stoop for at least 7 years and it must be a profitable stoop! I know this because I go to work and for the last 7 years at this job he has the same begging station. So, for those of you on this thread that say I shouldn't or can't judge, back up and recognize that yes I can.
YES WE CAN!
"they have a cell phone to get a job"
Sweet jeebus. Seriously? I am talking about career beggars. Read my posts. I got no problem helping people that want to help themselves.
I would like to also point out that many people that are homeless are dumb and lazy. Not most. But that goes to my point on all my posts in THIS thread.
Give charity with care and don't be blind...
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Seven Years, you say... Really?
Because, that sounds like a steady career to me... as a 'Homeless person impersonator'. Especially, if you say he can earn upwards to 30K a year... tax free. That may mean, he actually has a place to live.
Wouldn't that make him a 'Not Homeless Guy'?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
P.S. I hate getting mad and I rarely do. I'm giving myself a time out. Fuck it.
Good idea.
Not sure why you got so bent. I just gave personal experience living in LA. Tell you what, I could probably make $30k +/year begging at certain intersections. Shit, maybe 60k if I brought my toddler and infant with me.
This is why I brought the dog comment up and the guy with the cell phone. It's real. So is the beggar at the intersection of LaBrea and Edgewood, he has a fucking cell phone.Your comment about giving to churches and the fish place makes sense. They can probably help people who aren't scamming. Settle down. I am all for helping people down on their luck. I just think when the government gets involved it gets taken advantage of and the people who really need it get FUCKED because people scam.
So, all I say is give back but do so with caution and direction.
Like wavecamecrashin
you can have a cell phone for free if you're disabled and low income. anyone who is disabled and broke as fuck in the united states is entitled to a cell phone. this phone is not super-fancy but it works and the user gets about 8 minutes a day free air time. and that is w/out texts. that's what, 240 minutes a month for free?
i guess this cell (?emergency?) phone holder/homeless person begging for money is a scam-artist?
Charles Dickens fantastic writer of a timeless messages of the social ills of the world and those who endure.
Tis the season' and this memorable scene bah humbug:
First Collector: At this festive time of year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute.
Ebenezer: Are there no prisons?
First Collector: Plenty of prisons.
Ebenezer: And the union workhouses - are they still in operation?
First Collector: They are. I wish I could say they were not.
Ebenezer: Oh, from what you said at first I was afraid that something had happened to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it.
First Collector: I don't think you quite understand us, sir. A few of us are endeavoring to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.
Ebenezer: Why?
First Collector: Because it is at Christmastime that want is most keenly felt, and abundance rejoices. Now what can I put you down for?
Ebenezer: Huh! Nothing!
Second Collector: You wish to be anonymous?
Ebenezer: [firmly, but calmly] I wish to be left alone. Since you ask me what I wish sir, that is my answer. I help to support the establishments I have named; those who are badly off must go there.
First Collector: Many can't go there.
Second Collector: And some would rather die.
Ebenezer: If they would rather die, they'd better do it, and decrease the surplus population.
Sound familiar? Like Malthus, Darwin, Capitalism and the GOP all in one.
People Ive met who are homeless are in dire need. People who have lost their homes to foreclosure. People who were once living check to check losing their jobs. Yes, also the social problems connected drug and alcohol abuse. Lack of medical care for those whom are mentally ill or disabled become homeless.
Once Again.
Generalizations by the spotlighted few bad apples (maybe) forms a public opinion which is completely untrue.
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People Ive met who are homeless are in dire need. People who have lost their homes to foreclosure. People who were once living check to check losing their jobs. Yes, also the social problems connected drug and alcohol abuse. Lack of medical care for those whom are mentally ill or disabled become homeless.
Once Again.
Generalizations by the spotlighted few bad apples (maybe) forms a public opinion which is completely untrue.
(Shhhh... you didn't see me here.)
"Don't give in to the lies. Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth. And to hope."
We always have a huge surplus of food after our family Christmas meal.. I think this year I will drive through the neighborhood and hook somebody up with all of the leftovers, and hopefully sit with them for a moment while they enjoy a nice home cooked hot meal.. Maybe it will make somebody's day just a little brighter..
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free.
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
Comments
...
Well... case in point is demonstrated in this thread.
...
I believe that Charity is for the ones who need it... not, to make those whom give feel better about themselves.
Hail, Hail!!!
the important part is they give.
If one loses their sister to cancer and gives because of that experience,
the horrible memory of loss that doesn't leave, and it eases the pain, it is
a selfish need to give ... so be it.
Or if someone hits the Salvation Army bucket on the way into the store during holiday time
cause it makes then feel connected, good and better about themselves
thats fine, that is good, giving feels good. If only to give to feel good...
it's all good.
Lets not judge, the outcome is the same. Someone somewhere is receiving help
and giving is good! And if the giver feels great cause of it...
awesome!
Seven Years, you say... Really?
Because, that sounds like a steady career to me... as a 'Homeless person impersonator'. Especially, if you say he can earn upwards to 30K a year... tax free. That may mean, he actually has a place to live.
Wouldn't that make him a 'Not Homeless Guy'?
Hail, Hail!!!
Lovely human beings on this planet, huh?
Disgusting.
i guess this cell (?emergency?) phone holder/homeless person begging for money is a scam-artist?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Charles Dickens fantastic writer of a timeless messages of the social ills of the world and those who endure.
Tis the season' and this memorable scene bah humbug:
First Collector: At this festive time of year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute.
Ebenezer: Are there no prisons?
First Collector: Plenty of prisons.
Ebenezer: And the union workhouses - are they still in operation?
First Collector: They are. I wish I could say they were not.
Ebenezer: Oh, from what you said at first I was afraid that something had happened to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it.
First Collector: I don't think you quite understand us, sir. A few of us are endeavoring to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.
Ebenezer: Why?
First Collector: Because it is at Christmastime that want is most keenly felt, and abundance rejoices. Now what can I put you down for?
Ebenezer: Huh! Nothing!
Second Collector: You wish to be anonymous?
Ebenezer: [firmly, but calmly] I wish to be left alone. Since you ask me what I wish sir, that is my answer. I help to support the establishments I have named; those who are badly off must go there.
First Collector: Many can't go there.
Second Collector: And some would rather die.
Ebenezer: If they would rather die, they'd better do it, and decrease the surplus population.
Sound familiar? Like Malthus, Darwin, Capitalism and the GOP all in one.
Hello cruel world *waves hand*
Once Again.
Generalizations by the spotlighted few bad apples (maybe) forms a public opinion which is completely untrue.
(Shhhh... you didn't see me here.)
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13