no PJ20 vinyl. wtf?

SM187650SM187650 Canada Posts: 809
edited December 2011 in The Porch
Sorry PJ, but you guys really dropped the ball on the PJ 20 vinyls. They were on sale for like a day and now one week later they are all over ebay for at least 200 bucks a piece. I was happy with the re-release of vs and vitalogy but its seems like they didnt print many vinyls at all for PJ 20. Let's let them know that they need to re-release this one as well so that the real fans dont end up spending 200 for something that should be under 50 dollars. Come on guys.
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  • jshinjshin Posts: 1,759
    Assuming you enjoy vinyl.. Have any record stores in your area?
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  • Too bad they couldn't release it with different artwork, or in white vinyl, or something. If they made a shit ton of these second pressings, people would still bitch because it's not the exact same, but they *did* say "limited edition" to the first few, right?

    Would it really be hard to make one per member, put it on sale and say "limit one per active member"? Give people a month to buy their one, and if they pass, then autograph the others and put them up for a charity auction.
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  • mcrieckenmcriecken Indiana Posts: 265
    Is the PJ20 soundtrack published under Sony or Monkeywrench? I've seen different listings across multiple sites. Just curious if Sony still has rights to their earlier music somehow. Not entirely sure how that whole system works. Maybe Sony is screwing everyone over?
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  • SM187650SM187650 Canada Posts: 809
    thats too bad that this may fall upon deaf ears. still feel like complaining about it. yes i have record stores around but they do no have PJ20 on sale. its going to be at least 200 anywhere you can find it. all this being said, i know that PJ does care about their fans getting vinyl or vs and vitalogy would have never been rereleased. hopefully something comes out but i wont hold my breath. that would be a fair solution, to see them offer at least one to every fan club member. way better than the christmas single!
  • SM187650SM187650 Canada Posts: 809
    thats too bad that this may fall upon deaf ears. still feel like complaining about it. yes i have record stores around but they do no have PJ20 on sale. its going to be at least 200 anywhere you can find it. all this being said, i know that PJ does care about their fans getting vinyl or vs and vitalogy would have never been rereleased. hopefully something comes out but i wont hold my breath. that would be a fair solution, to see them offer at least one to every fan club member. way better than the christmas single!
  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    Too bad they couldn't release it with different artwork, or in white vinyl, or something. If they made a shit ton of these second pressings, people would still bitch because it's not the exact same, but they *did* say "limited edition" to the first few, right?

    Would it really be hard to make one per member, put it on sale and say "limit one per active member"? Give people a month to buy their one, and if they pass, then autograph the others and put them up for a charity auction.


    in that case, you need to make everything pre order...give people a month, then send the total ordered amount to the printer...win/win

    10C gets cash up front
    10c maxes sales
    members can only blame themselves when they miss out on something
    only the collectors that want rare stuff lose out


    on the flip side...the random sales are half the fun...
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    SM187650 wrote:
    thats too bad that this may fall upon deaf ears. still feel like complaining about it. yes i have record stores around but they do no have PJ20 on sale. its going to be at least 200 anywhere you can find it. all this being said, i know that PJ does care about their fans getting vinyl or vs and vitalogy would have never been rereleased. hopefully something comes out but i wont hold my breath. that would be a fair solution, to see them offer at least one to every fan club member. way better than the christmas single!


    fyi...you can still pre order from best buy and fye
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  • BnutzBnutz Posts: 80
    I don't understand this. Is it Pj or 10c fault that 10c members purchase items to flip it on Ebay. I really think your beef should be with our fellow 10 club members.
    It was a "limited edition", not one for every 10c member. I'm truly sorry you missed out on the Vinyl. I've missed out on many items as well, but i do not blame the Band or 10c.
    And yes i was lucky enough to get one.
  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    Bnutz wrote:
    I don't understand this. Is it Pj or 10c fault that 10c members purchase items to flip it on Ebay. I really think your beef should be with our fellow 10 club members.
    It was a "limited edition", not one for every 10c member. I'm truly sorry you missed out on the Vinyl. I've missed out on many items as well, but i do not blame the Band or 10c.
    And yes i was lucky enough to get one.


    I got one as well, but I think the band is creating a situation where items are so limited people are flipping them or just keeping them for trade bait. Almost every item lately has been very limited, creating a huge demand on the secondary market and forcing fans to miss out. I know of people that don't even want items that go on sale but buy them anyway because they can profit off of it or trade it for something they want. This isn't the way it should be..and it wouldn't have to be if PJ made enough products for everyone who wanted them.
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  • Bnutz wrote:
    I don't understand this. Is it Pj or 10c fault that 10c members purchase items to flip it on Ebay. I really think your beef should be with our fellow 10 club members.
    It was a "limited edition", not one for every 10c member. I'm truly sorry you missed out on the Vinyl. I've missed out on many items as well, but i do not blame the Band or 10c.
    And yes i was lucky enough to get one.

    They are encouraging flipping by making the items needlessly limited in the first place.

    They're also really crappy businesspeople by stopping people from giving them money as well.
  • javis el errantejavis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    the vinyl is released under Monkeywrench since the band owns the royalties.
    It is also released under Vinyl Films since this compilation belongs to a film whose royalties belong to Vinyl Films
    And it is released under Sony Music as well because they are the manufacturers and distributors...

    10C had a specific quatity of copies for the 10C members interested in buying this item from the Ten Club.
    But the market is larger than 10C members, and many webstores started taking preorders over a month before this was available on the 10C. There are many people interested in having this item, not only fans, but retailers as well.

    I preordered mine on October 25th from Diskopoiis.gr, most people here order form Soundstagedirect, Amazon.com, Amanzon.ca or Amazon.co.uk. Many 10C members got theirs from local retailers in their hometown, and you can still preorder it from fye and best buy.

    So there were different places to get one and customer had many options to choose from regarding price and shipping costs, needless to say that no matter where you got the vinyl from, it will the same edition.
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  • the vinyl is released under Monkeywrench since the band owns the royalties.
    It is also released under Vinyl Films since this compilation belongs to a film whose royalties belong to Vinyl Films
    And it is released under Sony Music as well because they are the manufacturers and distributors...

    10C had a specific quatity of copies for the 10C members interested in buying this item from the Ten Club.
    But the market is larger than 10C members, and many webstores started taking preorders over a month before this was available on the 10C. There are many people interested in having this item, not only fans, but retailers as well.

    I preordered mine on October 25th from Diskopoiis.gr, most people here order form Soundstagedirect, Amazon.com, Amanzon.ca or Amazon.co.uk. Many 10C members got theirs from local retailers in their hometown, and you can still preorder it from fye and best buy.

    So there were different places to get one and customer had many options to choose from regarding price and shipping costs, needless to say that no matter where you got the vinyl from, it will the same edition.
    I just talked to a record store owner up here in Canada and he said it's SONY that is to blame up here. He says it could be that all of Canada could be shut out from getting ANY copies of PJ20. He said the same sh!t happened with EV's Ukelele Songs & EV's previous release. He had some very choice words for Sony. I do not know how much truth there is to this but I'll find out since I ordered one from Canada's super mega Music store monopoly, HMV
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    the vinyl is released under Monkeywrench since the band owns the royalties.
    It is also released under Vinyl Films since this compilation belongs to a film whose royalties belong to Vinyl Films
    And it is released under Sony Music as well because they are the manufacturers and distributors...

    10C had a specific quatity of copies for the 10C members interested in buying this item from the Ten Club.
    But the market is larger than 10C members, and many webstores started taking preorders over a month before this was available on the 10C. There are many people interested in having this item, not only fans, but retailers as well.

    I preordered mine on October 25th from Diskopoiis.gr, most people here order form Soundstagedirect, Amazon.com, Amanzon.ca or Amazon.co.uk. Many 10C members got theirs from local retailers in their hometown, and you can still preorder it from fye and best buy.

    So there were different places to get one and customer had many options to choose from regarding price and shipping costs, needless to say that no matter where you got the vinyl from, it will the same edition.


    but it's more fun to blame the 10c and pearl jam
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  • javis el errantejavis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    the vinyl is released under Monkeywrench since the band owns the royalties.
    It is also released under Vinyl Films since this compilation belongs to a film whose royalties belong to Vinyl Films
    And it is released under Sony Music as well because they are the manufacturers and distributors...

    10C had a specific quatity of copies for the 10C members interested in buying this item from the Ten Club.
    But the market is larger than 10C members, and many webstores started taking preorders over a month before this was available on the 10C. There are many people interested in having this item, not only fans, but retailers as well.

    I preordered mine on October 25th from Diskopoiis.gr, most people here order form Soundstagedirect, Amazon.com, Amanzon.ca or Amazon.co.uk. Many 10C members got theirs from local retailers in their hometown, and you can still preorder it from fye and best buy.

    So there were different places to get one and customer had many options to choose from regarding price and shipping costs, needless to say that no matter where you got the vinyl from, it will the same edition.
    I just talked to a record store owner up here in Canada and he said it's SONY that is to blame up here. He says it could be that all of Canada could be shut out from getting ANY copies of PJ20. He said the same sh!t happened with EV's Ukelele Songs & EV's previous release. He had some very choice words for Sony. I do not know how much truth there is to this but I'll find out since I ordered one from Canada's super mega Music store monopoly, HMV

    May be it is a better deal for Sony to deal with HMV... you don't know what the truth is, I don't either, maybe it is as 81 said above, it's easier, and more fun, to blame pearl jam and the ten club, or in the case of that retail store owner, to blame sony because for him to make a good deal would be buy a certain number of copies, to sell each at X price, but he wouldn't be certain if he could sell all of any of them, specially if the price is as high as it was on soundstagedirect, and it might not be good business...

    and after writing what you quote from me I read on another PJ20 vinyl thread that vinyl is manufactured in low quantities from the very beginning, which is true as well... I believe it was 81 who said that...
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  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    81 wrote:
    the vinyl is released under Monkeywrench since the band owns the royalties.
    It is also released under Vinyl Films since this compilation belongs to a film whose royalties belong to Vinyl Films
    And it is released under Sony Music as well because they are the manufacturers and distributors...

    10C had a specific quatity of copies for the 10C members interested in buying this item from the Ten Club.
    But the market is larger than 10C members, and many webstores started taking preorders over a month before this was available on the 10C. There are many people interested in having this item, not only fans, but retailers as well.

    I preordered mine on October 25th from Diskopoiis.gr, most people here order form Soundstagedirect, Amazon.com, Amanzon.ca or Amazon.co.uk. Many 10C members got theirs from local retailers in their hometown, and you can still preorder it from fye and best buy.

    So there were different places to get one and customer had many options to choose from regarding price and shipping costs, needless to say that no matter where you got the vinyl from, it will the same edition.


    but it's more fun to blame the 10c and pearl jam

    You don't think a band as big as Pearl Jam has some say on how their album is distributed?
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  • derbydavederbydave Columbus, OH Posts: 11,254
    I just talked to a record store owner up here in Canada and he said it's SONY that is to blame up here. He says it could be that all of Canada could be shut out from getting ANY copies of PJ20. He said the same sh!t happened with EV's Ukelele Songs & EV's previous release. He had some very choice words for Sony. I do not know how much truth there is to this but I'll find out since I ordered one from Canada's super mega Music store monopoly, HMV
    FYI...You can still buy EV's UKULELE SONGS vinyl from GOODS for $24.99 :ugeek:
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    the vinyl is released under Monkeywrench since the band owns the royalties.
    It is also released under Vinyl Films since this compilation belongs to a film whose royalties belong to Vinyl Films
    And it is released under Sony Music as well because they are the manufacturers and distributors...

    10C had a specific quatity of copies for the 10C members interested in buying this item from the Ten Club.
    But the market is larger than 10C members, and many webstores started taking preorders over a month before this was available on the 10C. There are many people interested in having this item, not only fans, but retailers as well.

    I preordered mine on October 25th from Diskopoiis.gr, most people here order form Soundstagedirect, Amazon.com, Amanzon.ca or Amazon.co.uk. Many 10C members got theirs from local retailers in their hometown, and you can still preorder it from fye and best buy.

    So there were different places to get one and customer had many options to choose from regarding price and shipping costs, needless to say that no matter where you got the vinyl from, it will the same edition.
    I just talked to a record store owner up here in Canada and he said it's SONY that is to blame up here. He says it could be that all of Canada could be shut out from getting ANY copies of PJ20. He said the same sh!t happened with EV's Ukelele Songs & EV's previous release. He had some very choice words for Sony. I do not know how much truth there is to this but I'll find out since I ordered one from Canada's super mega Music store monopoly, HMV

    May be it is a better deal for Sony to deal with HMV... you don't know what the truth is, I don't either, maybe it is as 81 said above, it's easier, and more fun, to blame pearl jam and the ten club, or in the case of that retail store owner, to blame sony because for him to make a good deal would be buy a certain number of copies, to sell each at X price, but he wouldn't be certain if he could sell all of any of them, specially if the price is as high as it was on soundstagedirect, and it might not be good business...

    and after writing what you quote from me I read on another PJ20 vinyl thread that vinyl is manufactured in low quantities from the very beginning, which is true as well... I believe it was 81 who said that...
    Other people who talked to retailers heard the 1500, and somebody else said 4500 total, implying best buy etc recieved more. I have no first hand info
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    Better Dan wrote:
    81 wrote:
    the vinyl is released under Monkeywrench since the band owns the royalties.
    It is also released under Vinyl Films since this compilation belongs to a film whose royalties belong to Vinyl Films
    And it is released under Sony Music as well because they are the manufacturers and distributors...

    10C had a specific quatity of copies for the 10C members interested in buying this item from the Ten Club.
    But the market is larger than 10C members, and many webstores started taking preorders over a month before this was available on the 10C. There are many people interested in having this item, not only fans, but retailers as well.

    I preordered mine on October 25th from Diskopoiis.gr, most people here order form Soundstagedirect, Amazon.com, Amanzon.ca or Amazon.co.uk. Many 10C members got theirs from local retailers in their hometown, and you can still preorder it from fye and best buy.

    So there were different places to get one and customer had many options to choose from regarding price and shipping costs, needless to say that no matter where you got the vinyl from, it will the same edition.


    but it's more fun to blame the 10c and pearl jam

    You don't think a band as big as Pearl Jam has some say on how their album is distributed?
    I'm not privey to those conversations....maybe they do, but record companies have a ton of influence.
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  • Tboz51Tboz51 Posts: 2,808
    So 10c needs to stock everything they suspect people will want?

    I think they do this and most times stuff just rots.

    Isn't it clear that they overstocked reissue Vs/Vitology?

    They sign a few copies and sold the stock out on your slim chance of getting a signed copy.

    Blaming the 10c for eBay stuff is insanity.
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