The final 12 hours of Chinese Women on Death Row
Byrnzie
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http://www.ministryoftofu.com/2011/11/p ... death-row/
Photo's: The final 12 hours of Chinese women on death row
Edit: Things like this make my blood boil. Apologies for my original comments, which were a tad on the inflammatory side. I think this is an important issue, and I hope to see an end to the death penalty in America during my lifetime.
As for China, I hold out less hope. But never say never!
Photo's: The final 12 hours of Chinese women on death row
Edit: Things like this make my blood boil. Apologies for my original comments, which were a tad on the inflammatory side. I think this is an important issue, and I hope to see an end to the death penalty in America during my lifetime.
As for China, I hold out less hope. But never say never!
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Still not clear on this...
So if I support the death Penalty, I am "human scum, and everything wrong with the world"....
Hmmm... How do I foster reasonable debate here?
Do I say, "No- you are."
Do I say, "I know you are, but what am I?"
Just doesn't seem that you are interested in debating this topic- only insulting at every opportunity, anyone who has a different viewpoint...
With DNA evidence and/or multiple eye witness accounts, I have no problem with the death penalty for extreme cases like serial killers and child killers. I'm not a "ra ra go get em" justice cowboy by any stretch of the imagination. I just don't see the need for these complete wastes of space to use up any more resources on this planet. They did not respect life and thus I do not believe they deserve life. Why should our tax dollars, and food, and time be spent on them? Even a life of hard labor and solitary confinement is not enough. 3 square meals a day, tv interviews, a bed to sleep on....why exactly?
Kill Ted Bundy? Absolutely.
But unfortunately it is impossible to have the death penantly in place and have it be 100% flawless. I wrote a paper on this exact issue in my criminal justice class in college. I am for the idea of the death penalty in extreme cases, but I am against how it is used today.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
THEY GOT MCDONALDS AND PAINTED TOE NAILS!!! THAT PLACE IS LIKE A SPA!!!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It is sickening that such a barbaric act is in place for something like this. :(
You feel insulted?
Oh well.
I just watched a youtube video of beagles getting rescued from a research lab and I thought how sick a person must be to do that to another living being.
I guess since we have no problem killing women for drug related crimes, carelessly go to war, blow up buildings and planes etc.....I really shouldn't be surprised anymore.
but what do I know, I guess I am just a liberal pussy.
SINCE YOU'RE PAINTING WITH A BROAD BRUSH!
I'd rather be scum then be somebody like you who'd watch their spouse/child or anybody they loved get raped/killed/tortured, get a good look at the perps face and then go visit them in prison with flowers because you think it was just a mistake.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Except I wouldn't do any of those things.
What part of a state sponsored murder would you take part in?
why all the insults?
If we want a civilized world
act civilized and start by being kind to others and respecting different viewpoints.
This everyone deserves.
Except he didn't offer any differing viewpoint. But never mind that. It's always easier to focus on the messenger instead of debating the message.
you had a great point, great moving article, it would be a great debate
but you insult and make it personal
that is not debate
that insures you have only like minds around you which is also not debate
I happen to agree.
Like he said, debate it if you disagree.
If you support state sanctioned murder than you are not a good person.....better?
Who did I insult?
Somebody else on this message board said that gay people made him sick and you went out of your way to defend him and his comments. Why was that?
Maybe you can just accuse me of anti-Semitism and ask me if I'm a holocaust denier again?
Or just say 'Woot!' and post a silly photo?
I did not post that photo, Byrnzie. If you read the threads instead of just targeting me personally at every opportunity, you would have seen that I was quoting what had already been posted.
To prove my point, I have NEVER been able to post a picture on this site BECAUSE I DON"T KNOW HOW.
And to add to what Pandora said, what exactly are we debating here?
It has been suggested that this thread is NOT about the death penalty, but rather to "debate" whether anyone who supports the death penalty is "human scum".
Well, that's just not a debate that I'm intersted in.... good luck, tho.
I expressed how I feel about the issue with reference to the article I linked.
If someone takes issue with that then they can explain their position, and a debate can begin. Or they can just talk about me instead, as you've chosen to do.
And Byrzie may i hope nobody you know has anything bad happen to them in your presence. But I'm sure like I stated before, you'd watch and then go to the trials and show up weekly with flowers because YOU know they didn't mean it and could change. The fact that I don't work for the state would mean i don't sponser state killings.
Serial Killers Paul Kenneth Bernardo and Karla Homolka
Born on August 27, 1964 , Paul Kenneth Bernardo committed his murders and rapes with the aid of his wife Karla Homolka.
In June 1991, Paul Bernardo kidnapped, raped and then murdered fourteen-year-old Leslie Mahaffy. Leslie Mahaffy was held for twenty-four hours where she was repeatedly raped. Homolka and Bernardo taped the assaults and one scene even shows Homolka making herself up in makeup to look pretty before she goes on to again rape Mahaffy. The two killed Mahaffy with a plan to dismember her body and dispose of it piece by piece after encasing the parts in cement. Two people canoeing in a local lake found her body. The very same day Mahaffy’s body was found, Homolka and Bernardo were married.
Shortly after in April 1992, with the aid of his wife Homolka, Bernardo kidnapped another teenager, Kristen French. French was also raped, and tortured over several days. They killed Kristen French just before leaving for Easter Sunday dinner with Homolka’s parents.
The videos made by Bernardo and Homolka’s murders of Mahaffy and French, were turned over to the police, and these videos together with others depicting rape committed by the pair were used against them as evidence in court. The videos were instrumental in getting them convicted of their crimes. Due to the horrid nature of the videotapes, all six videos were later destroyed.
The Canadian press started calling the couple “The Ken and Barbie” murderers.
Homolka as a result of abuse at the hands of Bernardo had left him in January 1993. She would later come to a plea bargain with the prosecution in return for a lighter sentence. Karla Homolka testified against Paul Bernardo, including their part in the killing of Karla’s sister.
Bernardo, who claimed to be a fan of serial killer stories, would later change his name to Paul Teale as a result. Bernardo was convicted of three murders on September 1, 1995, and sentenced to life in prison at the Kingston Penitentiary in Kingston, Ontario.
On good grounds it is suspected that Paul Bernardo was also the Scarborough Rapist. Shortly after his arrest for murder, Bernardo admitted to 15 separate rapes. It is thought he raped more women, including at least one on his own honeymoon in Hawaii.
Karla Homolka pled guilty to manslaughter, and was sentenced to twelve years in prison. She was released on parole in July 2005 after the ‘Deal with the Devil’ plea bargain. Homolka’s release was and still is very contentious with Canadians as the videotapes of their crimes showed Karla Homolka to have understated her total involvement in the crimes.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
You can keep making all the assumptions about me that you like. So far you've been wrong on every one of them.
Opposing state sponsored murder does not constitute liking rapists and murderers and wanting to visit them in prison to give them flowers.
And as for your searching the internet to find gruesome stories involving rape and murder and then posting them here for us to read, are you simply trying to provoke a sense of vengeance and blood lust in us? Do you think that society - or at least those who represent it - should recognize and uphold ideals that transcend acts of violence, or that they should stoop to acts of vengeance and blood-lust every time some psycho goes out and commits rape or murder?
What kind of example does state sponsored execution set for society? Do you regard it as having a positive effect?
This is all i had to read about assumption my man. You opened a wide door. Post all you heart warming stories of poor people who make stupid decisions in life. Oh my bleeding heart!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
That wasn't an assumption. It's what I think. There was no assumption involved, whereas your repeated comments about my loving murderers and wanting to give them flowers have zero basis in reality.
Such as?
and say someone is not a good person because
they feel it is a just punishment for the monsters of society.
I do not know that about said person and by insulting those of a different opinion
one make their own case very weak.
Be civil, debate in a way that AMT can be proud of,
name calling is a sign of a person who does not respect others, let alone their opinion.
that is NOT debate. In that incident that poster was being baited to overreact with a gut feeling.
But what is your excuse to attack those who do not agree in the first post of your
thread. Is that baiting to... to rile another to insult back.
Which did not happen... you were just called out for your insult
that others saw and took offense to.
I understand emotions and that they spill out when we are vehement about something
what I don't understand is being disrespectful towards those with opposing opinions.
If you feel this means talking about you.... it is really talking about your presentation
and how very counterproductive it is to reasonable debate.
Not everybody deserves my respect.
I guess you may have more in common with pro death penalty people than you thought
No you didn't. He implied in his first post that he had a problem with gay people. Then when asked to explain what he meant he said that gay people made him physically sick. This upset a lot of people and you then spent 5 pages defending him because you feel you exist on a plane above the rest of us and so can pass judgement on whatever you see fit from your lofty tower.
He wasn't being baited at all. He was asked to clarify his earlier post. He didn't have to. But he did, and it got him a long ban.
My comments at the beginning of this thread were not aimed at any particular person on this message board. They just express how I feel about the death penalty and about those who cheer for it. I could say the same thing about racists and war mongers. Would you then get all preachy on me and start defending them too?
Edit: and for the record, I have nothing against the poster we've been discussing. I actually think he's o.k, but that he didn't do himself any favours on that particular occasion.
People who don't respect others feelings must think they are on another plane
much higher than others ...
and it displays they think they are better than said person.
One would think you might learn from that mistake and present your debates in a way
that does not show you only want to discuss with those you feel are good enough.
I have made my point about you insulting others to get your point across
it shows weakness in debate. Any good debate teacher would give you a non passing grade.
Back on topic perhaps we can debate without insults.