What about Occupy Earth?

brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,431
edited November 2011 in A Moving Train
I've heard and read a little about Occupy Earth, the spin off movement that combines OWS with environmental concerns but would be interested to see what you all think and read more- especially a good, definitive description. I'm sure the idea isn't for everybody so maybe we can forgo the trolling nonsense and just debate the pros and cons. (Hey, don't laugh, I think we can do it!)
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  • People should focus their energy on "free energy".
    I've become convinced as of late that this type of technology is feasible, and has been discovered multiple times in the last century alone.

    If people want a cohesive platform to rally around, it should be forcing this technology back out in to the light of the day.

    Make that the rallying cry of these Occupy movements.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    brianlux wrote:
    I've heard and read a little about Occupy Earth, the spin off movement that combines OWS with environmental concerns but would be interested to see what you all think and read more- especially a good, definitive description. I'm sure the idea isn't for everybody so maybe we can forgo the trolling nonsense and just debate the pros and cons. (Hey, don't laugh, I think we can do it!)
    Got a good link for this Brian?
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i like this. mostly i like the raw earth without what we have done to it in the name of countless rapings exploiting this planet. now BP is allowed to dump mercury into lake Michigan. who the fuck said that was a good idea and cleared it with a, "ok," dump your mercury and other heavy metal toxins into a great lake?

    water... do not even get me started on water. i want to see more action, more physical assaultings and such. i would love to punch someone @ BP. pollute and act as if nothing is wrong and sit on your gold throne shitters, feed money into a corrupt system... rather, systems. feeding corrupt money into a vast corrupt network of international bullshit through politics and environmental catastrophes and the need for energy and on and on. it is sickening and very disturbing. mostly it is killing us.

    trusting who we have in office today is insane.... and when i say "today" this goes back many years and covers decades and offices and corporations. things remain the same even after thrones are taken over by some other shady characters.

    money speaks i guess. meanwhile lake michigan is dying. i want a environmentalist administration from here on out.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,431
    Jeanwah wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I've heard and read a little about Occupy Earth, the spin off movement that combines OWS with environmental concerns but would be interested to see what you all think and read more- especially a good, definitive description. I'm sure the idea isn't for everybody so maybe we can forgo the trolling nonsense and just debate the pros and cons. (Hey, don't laugh, I think we can do it!)
    Got a good link for this Brian?

    YES! I finally came across an excellent link for this concept. This article is from the Chico News and Review (extra sweet for me because CA State University Chico is my Alma mater :D ):

    http://www.newsreview.com/chico/occupy- ... id=4474764

    Occupy Earth: Humans are the 1 percent
    Chico State professor Mark Stemen and the environmental movement to Occupy Earth

    By Claire Hutkins Seda


    This article was published on 11.17.11.

    Dr. Mark Stemen, who teaches Environmental Issues at Chico State, believes that the true 99 percent is all of the nonhuman life forms on Earth that are struggling because of humans’ harmful actions.
    PHOTO BY CLAIRE HUTKINS SEDA
    Learn more about the issues:
    Go to climate-crisis activism website http://www.350.org.

    Chico State professor of geography and planning Mark Stemen admits it: He’s part of the 1 percent. And, he says, so are you: “In the context of the biotic community, we [humans] are the 1 percent.” The true 99 percent—the rest of life on Earth—is struggling because of humans, said Stemen.

    Stemen recently conducted his Environmental Issues class at the Occupy Chico headquarters in the downtown City Plaza. The idea was to discuss the relationship between the environmental movement and the Occupy Wall Street movement, which focuses primarily on the unfair influence of the richest 1 percent of Americans on the United States’ economy and government.

    As it turns out, in terms of biomass, “humans are a completely trivial fraction. In fact, [all] animals are a very small fraction—most of the world’s biomass is plants, trees,” offered Gordon Wolfe, microbial ecologist and Chico State professor of biological studies. “It’s very uncertain, but microbes might constitute as much biomass as all the animals and plants of the world, because they’re everywhere, including underground,” he added.

    But despite humans’ negligible position among the life on Earth, our impact has been startling and “completely nontrivial,” Wolfe said. “We’re tremendously affecting every other organism.” Wolfe went on to describe our current situation as “a period of mass extinction caused by humans.”

    Many prominent environmentalists, such as climate-crisis activism website 350.org’s Bill McKibben and filmmaker Josh Fox, are concerned with this human-induced impact and have turned to the Occupy movement to widen the focus of the protests to include the environment. “The same corporations that are doing all these things to the workers, the economy and such, are the same that lay waste to the environment,” said Stemen.

    The inclusiveness of the Occupy movement—its General Assembly has not yet approved an official list of demands—has proven helpful for environmentalists, who have found a welcoming stage for their own take on the Occupy concept, which some have dubbed Occupy Earth. Occupy Wall Street protesters at New York City’s Zuccotti Park recently hosted workshops in honor of Climate Justice Day, aimed at educating protesters on the myriad environmental issues connected to the same corporate cronies their movement aims to upset, such as mountain-top removal for coal extraction, and fracking, the controversial method of using chemicals to extract petroleum from rocks.

    Stemen admits the addition of the environmental element into the Occupy movement makes some people nervous. “There is some tension in the Occupy movement,” Stemen noted. “While it’s been really good at capturing dissatisfaction, I think that the people looking at it from the outside are asking how far are we really going to go down the road to solutions.”
    Biology professor Dr. Gordon Wolfe ponders environmentalism from his Chico State office.
    PHOTO BY CLAIRE HUTKINS SEDA

    Several lists of demands floating around on the Internet, including one drawn up by Occupy Wall Street’s Demands Working Group, have not been approved by the movement’s New York General Assembly. However, the assembly has approved the Declaration of the Occupation of New York City (http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration). The document features a long list of grievances against the largest corporations, which, they contend, run the U.S. government. Largely focused on U.S. political and economic woes such as “illegal foreclosures” of homes and “exorbitant bonuses” for corporate executives, the document addresses the environment as well, noting that “corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth.” It also objects to cruelty to animals, factory farming, oil-spill cover-ups, and dependency on oil. The document does not specify how corporations or other involved parties could respond or remedy the list of grievances.

    Occupy Chico protester Quentin Colgan agrees with the declaration but believes the environmental movement should wait its turn. “We’ll fix the environment [after] we fix America,” said Colgan recently from City Plaza, while other occupiers mulled around the main group tent. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on the elimination of corporate personhood and electing new politicians who do not have a close relationship with corporations before broadening the movement to include the environment, going so far as to pose the question, “Do we really want to waste time fixing the environment?”

    But can the ecological system wait for the economic system to catch up?

    “There’s a real feeling among ecologists and biologists that we’re in a crisis that’s caused by our activities, our societies,” said Wolfe. “And, most people are completely ignoring it and it’s going to come back and bite us because it’s going to affect our ability to grow food, or do our economy.”

    Colgan’s perspective does not appear to resonate with many Occupy protesters, including others at Occupy Chico. Butte College biology student Crystal Neuenschwander, for one, believes the economy and the environment are too closely aligned to act on one without affecting the other.

    “It takes natural resources …to drive the economy,” Neuenschwander pointed out, “and the way that our system’s set up, it has to have infinite growth. And we live on a finite planet, where we cannot have infinite growth. Economics is the environment. We cannot remove the environment from our lives.”

    Stemen finds fellow environmentalists frustrated at the inaction of the majority toward increasingly looming ecological disaster. Recent pre-Occupy demonstrations—such as the August White House protest against the controversial proposed Keystone XL pipeline from Canada to the Texas Gulf Coast that resulted in 1,252 arrests—indicate that environmentalists are poised for a fight. In a post-Arab Spring world, however, environmentalists find themselves to be just one of many frustrated parties, and “the 99 percent [concept] has resonated” with people across the country, said Stemen.

    The Occupy timeline that Colgan supports—in which the environment comes second—misses the point, a somber Stemen said. “The caution on all of this, is that this is going to focus just on humanity. It’s a real concern that we’re all starting to think that we can actually solve this problem without worrying about the planet.”

    “Most people don’t care about [environmental devastation]. They’re focused on their own lives and making a living,” Wolfe said. But, he warned, “because we’re not doing things that are sustainable …we’re going to undermine our ability to continue life as usual.”
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    brianlux wrote:
    YES! I finally came across an excellent link for this concept. This article is from the Chico News and Review (extra sweet for me because CA State University Chico is my Alma mater :D ):

    http://www.newsreview.com/chico/occupy- ... id=4474764

    Occupy Earth: Humans are the 1 percent
    Chico State professor Mark Stemen and the environmental movement to Occupy Earth

    By Claire Hutkins Seda


    This article was published on 11.17.11.

    Dr. Mark Stemen, who teaches Environmental Issues at Chico State, believes that the true 99 percent is all of the nonhuman life forms on Earth that are struggling because of humans’ harmful actions.
    PHOTO BY CLAIRE HUTKINS SEDA
    Learn more about the issues:
    Go to climate-crisis activism website http://www.350.org.

    Chico State professor of geography and planning Mark Stemen admits it: He’s part of the 1 percent. And, he says, so are you: “In the context of the biotic community, we [humans] are the 1 percent.” The true 99 percent—the rest of life on Earth—is struggling because of humans, said Stemen.

    Stemen recently conducted his Environmental Issues class at the Occupy Chico headquarters in the downtown City Plaza. The idea was to discuss the relationship between the environmental movement and the Occupy Wall Street movement, which focuses primarily on the unfair influence of the richest 1 percent of Americans on the United States’ economy and government.

    As it turns out, in terms of biomass, “humans are a completely trivial fraction. In fact, [all] animals are a very small fraction—most of the world’s biomass is plants, trees,” offered Gordon Wolfe, microbial ecologist and Chico State professor of biological studies. “It’s very uncertain, but microbes might constitute as much biomass as all the animals and plants of the world, because they’re everywhere, including underground,” he added.

    But despite humans’ negligible position among the life on Earth, our impact has been startling and “completely nontrivial,” Wolfe said. “We’re tremendously affecting every other organism.” Wolfe went on to describe our current situation as “a period of mass extinction caused by humans.”

    Many prominent environmentalists, such as climate-crisis activism website 350.org’s Bill McKibben and filmmaker Josh Fox, are concerned with this human-induced impact and have turned to the Occupy movement to widen the focus of the protests to include the environment. “The same corporations that are doing all these things to the workers, the economy and such, are the same that lay waste to the environment,” said Stemen.

    The inclusiveness of the Occupy movement—its General Assembly has not yet approved an official list of demands—has proven helpful for environmentalists, who have found a welcoming stage for their own take on the Occupy concept, which some have dubbed Occupy Earth. Occupy Wall Street protesters at New York City’s Zuccotti Park recently hosted workshops in honor of Climate Justice Day, aimed at educating protesters on the myriad environmental issues connected to the same corporate cronies their movement aims to upset, such as mountain-top removal for coal extraction, and fracking, the controversial method of using chemicals to extract petroleum from rocks.

    Stemen admits the addition of the environmental element into the Occupy movement makes some people nervous. “There is some tension in the Occupy movement,” Stemen noted. “While it’s been really good at capturing dissatisfaction, I think that the people looking at it from the outside are asking how far are we really going to go down the road to solutions.”
    Biology professor Dr. Gordon Wolfe ponders environmentalism from his Chico State office.
    PHOTO BY CLAIRE HUTKINS SEDA

    Several lists of demands floating around on the Internet, including one drawn up by Occupy Wall Street’s Demands Working Group, have not been approved by the movement’s New York General Assembly. However, the assembly has approved the Declaration of the Occupation of New York City (http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration). The document features a long list of grievances against the largest corporations, which, they contend, run the U.S. government. Largely focused on U.S. political and economic woes such as “illegal foreclosures” of homes and “exorbitant bonuses” for corporate executives, the document addresses the environment as well, noting that “corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth.” It also objects to cruelty to animals, factory farming, oil-spill cover-ups, and dependency on oil. The document does not specify how corporations or other involved parties could respond or remedy the list of grievances.

    Occupy Chico protester Quentin Colgan agrees with the declaration but believes the environmental movement should wait its turn. “We’ll fix the environment [after] we fix America,” said Colgan recently from City Plaza, while other occupiers mulled around the main group tent. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on the elimination of corporate personhood and electing new politicians who do not have a close relationship with corporations before broadening the movement to include the environment, going so far as to pose the question, “Do we really want to waste time fixing the environment?”

    But can the ecological system wait for the economic system to catch up?

    “There’s a real feeling among ecologists and biologists that we’re in a crisis that’s caused by our activities, our societies,” said Wolfe. “And, most people are completely ignoring it and it’s going to come back and bite us because it’s going to affect our ability to grow food, or do our economy.”

    Colgan’s perspective does not appear to resonate with many Occupy protesters, including others at Occupy Chico. Butte College biology student Crystal Neuenschwander, for one, believes the economy and the environment are too closely aligned to act on one without affecting the other.

    “It takes natural resources …to drive the economy,” Neuenschwander pointed out, “and the way that our system’s set up, it has to have infinite growth. And we live on a finite planet, where we cannot have infinite growth. Economics is the environment. We cannot remove the environment from our lives.”

    Stemen finds fellow environmentalists frustrated at the inaction of the majority toward increasingly looming ecological disaster. Recent pre-Occupy demonstrations—such as the August White House protest against the controversial proposed Keystone XL pipeline from Canada to the Texas Gulf Coast that resulted in 1,252 arrests—indicate that environmentalists are poised for a fight. In a post-Arab Spring world, however, environmentalists find themselves to be just one of many frustrated parties, and “the 99 percent [concept] has resonated” with people across the country, said Stemen.

    The Occupy timeline that Colgan supports—in which the environment comes second—misses the point, a somber Stemen said. “The caution on all of this, is that this is going to focus just on humanity. It’s a real concern that we’re all starting to think that we can actually solve this problem without worrying about the planet.”

    “Most people don’t care about [environmental devastation]. They’re focused on their own lives and making a living,” Wolfe said. But, he warned, “because we’re not doing things that are sustainable …we’re going to undermine our ability to continue life as usual.”


    we are the 1%. this makes perfect sense to me. let's go destroy something natural.

    how about we dump heavy metals, positively charged atoms, isotopes, subatomic particles, and other horse shit into waterways.

    china does this kind of thing with one of the heaviest of metals in their rivers (which really is every waterway they have as it all connects) and drinking water. almost 70% of the water in china is not drinkable
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    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,431
    Requiem - by Kurt Vonnegut Jr

    The crucified planet Earth,
    should it find a voice
    and a sense of irony,
    might now well say
    of our abuse of it,
    "Forgive them, Father,
    They know not what they do."

    The irony would be
    that we know what
    we are doing.

    When the last living thing
    has died on account of us,
    how poetical it would be
    if Earth could say,
    in a voice floating up
    perhaps
    from the floor
    of the Grand Canyon,
    "It is done."
    People did not like it here.
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    i don't really get the ows movement....i mean i get what they say they are trying to accomplish, i just don't see how....99% of the ows camps i've seen in person and on tv don't seem to actually be disrupting or obstructing anything. the one in asheville was under a bridge for christ's sake!

    they talk about occupying, fuck, how many centuries have we been occupying after we anhilated a people and massacred them, even violating the supreme court to steal their land?? people complain about having to dial 1 for english, shit, you should be dialing 1 for Iroquoi!!

    now suddenly people think there's a problem?? i guarantee you the majority of the ows people will still vote for obama because you are just too scared of a republican winning even though when a democrat wins you only get a few bones thrown to you and the same abuses every 'liberal' cried about under any repulican are met with justifactions, rationalizations, blaming someone else..... it just seems to me like a way for some middle class kids to feel good about themselves pretending they're actually doing something while they camp out for a while. why are they 'occupying' beneath a bridge and not heath shuller's office or something?? what, exactly, are they accomplishing by holding signs up underneath a bridge? oh, politicians are corrupt and listen to corporations, not the politicians they vote for, however, those ones just need more time lmfao
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,431
    i don't really get the ows movement....i mean i get what they say they are trying to accomplish, i just don't see how....99% of the ows camps i've seen in person and on tv don't seem to actually be disrupting or obstructing anything. the one in asheville was under a bridge for christ's sake!

    they talk about occupying, fuck, how many centuries have we been occupying after we anhilated a people and massacred them, even violating the supreme court to steal their land?? people complain about having to dial 1 for english, shit, you should be dialing 1 for Iroquoi!!

    now suddenly people think there's a problem?? i guarantee you the majority of the ows people will still vote for obama because you are just too scared of a republican winning even though when a democrat wins you only get a few bones thrown to you and the same abuses every 'liberal' cried about under any repulican are met with justifactions, rationalizations, blaming someone else..... it just seems to me like a way for some middle class kids to feel good about themselves pretending they're actually doing something while they camp out for a while. why are they 'occupying' beneath a bridge and not heath shuller's office or something?? what, exactly, are they accomplishing by holding signs up underneath a bridge? oh, politicians are corrupt and listen to corporations, not the politicians they vote for, however, those ones just need more time lmfao
    This is interesting but maybe belongs in thread about OWS. This thread is about Occupy Earth.
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  • The earth is made of Dirt
    and thats exactly how we treat it
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    We have already "occupied earth" and as a result we ought to be ashamed and hopefully extinct not soon enough.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,431
    FiveB247x wrote:
    We have already "occupied earth" and as a result we ought to be ashamed and hopefully extinct not soon enough.

    Like all species and even the earth itself (when the sun blows up), we're doomed anyway. Why not do something to make things better in the meantime? (And don't forget- as my old old man likes to say: Have fun!)
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    We don't deserve "fun", we deserve extinction. No other species acts or disregards itself or others in the same manner.
    brianlux wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    We have already "occupied earth" and as a result we ought to be ashamed and hopefully extinct not soon enough.

    Like all species and even the earth itself (when the sun blows up), we're doomed anyway. Why not do something to make things better in the meantime? (And don't forget- as my old old man likes to say: Have fun!)
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,431
    Ok, maybe this: do something useful, help someone out who is less advantaged, protect all wild things as much as you can, live lighter on the planet, then go have some fun- you earned it!
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Whole-hardheartedly agree! Leave the footprints and impressions on people, not the land around you.
    brianlux wrote:
    Ok, maybe this: do something useful, help someone out who is less advantaged, protect all wild things as much as you can, live lighter on the planet, then go have some fun- you earned it!
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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