The Hypocrisy that is Bu$hleaguer?

Hugh Freaking Dillon
Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
edited November 2011 in A Moving Train
I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have not a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.

Anyone?
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  • dcfaithful
    dcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have no a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.

    Anyone?

    Good post.

    I guess since you've brought this up, I take it as the band being a voice for the "haves" because they have the platform that is accessible to many. Just using their position to voice something for the population that is often not heard.
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  • green mountain man
    green mountain man Posts: 735
    Raising awareness not proclaiming innocence.
    I guess Madonna's hymen was intact when she sang "like a virgin"
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    to be honest, I wasn't sure if I was misinterpreting the lyrics, as a good portion of the lyrics in the song don't make a lick of sense to me.

    this line: "This is such a happening tailpipe of a party."

    honestly, this whole flippin' verse makes my head spin:

    "A think tank of aloof multiplication
    A nicotine wish and a columbus decanter
    Retrenchment and hoggishness
    The aristocrat choir sings
    "What's the ruckus?"
    The haves have not a clue
    The immenseness of suffering
    And the odd negotiation, a rarity
    With onionskin plausibility of life,
    And a keyboard reaffirmation"
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    green mountain man wrote:
    Raising awareness not proclaiming innocence.
    I guess Madonna's hymen was intact when she sang "like a virgin"

    just a question man.
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    They are just playing to their base...
    AMT essentially.

    It's "cool" to hate those that have made something for themselves around here.

    The "have" types, they get it. It is kiNd of a definition.

    Making fans pay a dollar or so extra for a ticket for a local charity is not the same as them opening up their checkbooks to buy homes for vets...

    Just sprayin'

    I ain't hating. I also ain't a debt saddled occupy type blaming shit on others.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,392
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    They are just playing to their base...
    AMT essentially.

    It's "cool" to hate those that have made something for themselves around here.

    The "have" types, they get it. It is kiNd of a definition.

    Making fans pay a dollar or so extra for a ticket for a local charity is not the same as them opening up their checkbooks to buy homes for vets...

    Just sprayin'

    I ain't hating. I also ain't a debt saddled occupy type blaming shit on others.

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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Not really
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have not a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.

    Anyone?
    Yet they're not politicians. Politicians are the shiftiest, dirtiest, low-balling scumbags this world has. They lack a conscience. And you're comparing the band to them?!
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have not a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.

    Anyone?
    Yet they're not politicians. Politicians are the shiftiest, dirtiest, low-balling scumbags this world has. They lack a conscience. And you're comparing the band to them?!

    I never compared the band to them. I was just saying that the lyrics are calling out the "haves" which I assume are the rich and powerful of the western world (I think it is referring to politicians specifically), and I was just saying that Pearl Jam fall into the category of "haves".

    Again, I don't understand most of the lyrics in the song, so it was more of a question (provocative headlines grab attention). it just seemed odd that an adjective used could also apply to themselves. that's all.
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  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    I always put this song and lyric to a higher order. Not some "rich" self made businessman, or actor, or even a rich politician as a singular entity, but more of the big, old money that actually runs everything.

    Corporate money maybe, but really the power that has America in constant war, with men and woman dying all over the world because it is good for Haliburton, and the Military Industry.

    Those politicians can be anyone, but they all represent the same thing. The same power structure that sends men to die for oil.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have not a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.

    Anyone?
    Yet they're not politicians. Politicians are the shiftiest, dirtiest, low-balling scumbags this world has. They lack a conscience. And you're comparing the band to them?!

    I never compared the band to them. I was just saying that the lyrics are calling out the "haves" which I assume are the rich and powerful of the western world (I think it is referring to politicians specifically), and I was just saying that Pearl Jam fall into the category of "haves".

    Again, I don't understand most of the lyrics in the song, so it was more of a question (provocative headlines grab attention). it just seemed odd that an adjective used could also apply to themselves. that's all.

    The Haves, in the song, are those in power, in my opinion. Those in power, when the song was written was the Bush Administration.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    It's a great line and it doesn't say all the haves have not a clue

    Eddie's too smart for that :D
  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    For me the line "Born on third, thinks he got a triple" answers this one. While Pearl Jam may have had the fortune of amassing a huge amount of wealth over their careers, they certainly didn't start in the so-called 1%. I'm pretty sure that Jeff or Ed have first hand knowledge of what it's like to be broke. There are a lot of people who can't speak to that experience who don't know or care about the millions of people who are suffering in poverty.

    Now perhaps if PJ actually have their assets in a tax haven to avoid paying taxes like U2 I could see the hypocrisy a bit more clearly :lol: .
  • brianlux
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    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    to be honest, I wasn't sure if I was misinterpreting the lyrics, as a good portion of the lyrics in the song don't make a lick of sense to me.

    this line: "This is such a happening tailpipe of a party."

    honestly, this whole flippin' verse makes my head spin:

    "A think tank of aloof multiplication
    A nicotine wish and a columbus decanter
    Retrenchment and hoggishness
    The aristocrat choir sings
    "What's the ruckus?"
    The haves have not a clue
    The immenseness of suffering
    And the odd negotiation, a rarity
    With onionskin plausibility of life,
    And a keyboard reaffirmation"
    This sounds like poetry to me, not politics. I would take it as poetry and judge it on those merits alone.
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  • arq
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    green mountain man wrote:
    Raising awareness not proclaiming innocence.
    I guess Madonna's hymen was intact when she sang "like a virgin"

    LMAO
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have not a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.

    Anyone?
    Don't forget, They weren't exactly well off up until their mid, late 20s. It's not like they were born into money.


    Speaking of born into money, aren't Obama and Bush cousins?


    8-)
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    arq wrote:
    green mountain man wrote:
    Raising awareness not proclaiming innocence.
    I guess Madonna's hymen was intact when she sang "like a virgin"

    LMAO

    :lol:

    i just don't like the song, so it's hard to care.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    BinauralJam wrote:
    arq wrote:
    green mountain man wrote:
    Raising awareness not proclaiming innocence.
    I guess Madonna's hymen was intact when she sang "like a virgin"

    LMAO

    :lol:

    i just don't like the song, so it's hard to care.

    yeah, I only like the chorus. the rest is just spoken word nonsense.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    Gob wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have not a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.

    Anyone?
    Don't forget, They weren't exactly well off up until their mid, late 20s. It's not like they were born into money.

    no, but when this song was written they were already rich.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Gob wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have not a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.

    Anyone?
    Don't forget, They weren't exactly well off up until their mid, late 20s. It's not like they were born into money.

    no, but when this song was written they were already rich.
    It's more of a generalization, like when I say human beings are destroying the planet, am I talking about myself? Yes and no.

    Human beings have not a clue. 8-)

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