The Hypocrisy that is Bu$hleaguer?
Hugh Freaking Dillon
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I'm sure this has been covered, but the line "the haves have not a clue" kind of strikes me as a bit odd. I mean, aren't the guys in Pearl Jam technically "haves"? They probably have more than a lot of politicians do.
Anyone?
Anyone?
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Good post.
I guess since you've brought this up, I take it as the band being a voice for the "haves" because they have the platform that is accessible to many. Just using their position to voice something for the population that is often not heard.
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I guess Madonna's hymen was intact when she sang "like a virgin"
this line: "This is such a happening tailpipe of a party."
honestly, this whole flippin' verse makes my head spin:
"A think tank of aloof multiplication
A nicotine wish and a columbus decanter
Retrenchment and hoggishness
The aristocrat choir sings
"What's the ruckus?"
The haves have not a clue
The immenseness of suffering
And the odd negotiation, a rarity
With onionskin plausibility of life,
And a keyboard reaffirmation"
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just a question man.
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AMT essentially.
It's "cool" to hate those that have made something for themselves around here.
The "have" types, they get it. It is kiNd of a definition.
Making fans pay a dollar or so extra for a ticket for a local charity is not the same as them opening up their checkbooks to buy homes for vets...
Just sprayin'
I ain't hating. I also ain't a debt saddled occupy type blaming shit on others.
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I never compared the band to them. I was just saying that the lyrics are calling out the "haves" which I assume are the rich and powerful of the western world (I think it is referring to politicians specifically), and I was just saying that Pearl Jam fall into the category of "haves".
Again, I don't understand most of the lyrics in the song, so it was more of a question (provocative headlines grab attention). it just seemed odd that an adjective used could also apply to themselves. that's all.
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Corporate money maybe, but really the power that has America in constant war, with men and woman dying all over the world because it is good for Haliburton, and the Military Industry.
Those politicians can be anyone, but they all represent the same thing. The same power structure that sends men to die for oil.
The Haves, in the song, are those in power, in my opinion. Those in power, when the song was written was the Bush Administration.
Eddie's too smart for that
Now perhaps if PJ actually have their assets in a tax haven to avoid paying taxes like U2 I could see the hypocrisy a bit more clearly
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Speaking of born into money, aren't Obama and Bush cousins?
i just don't like the song, so it's hard to care.
yeah, I only like the chorus. the rest is just spoken word nonsense.
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no, but when this song was written they were already rich.
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Human beings have not a clue.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
That's all.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
She sang LIKE a virgin, as in whatever she's doing feels like the first time. Not I AM CURRENTLY a virgin. Actually helps prove the point.
Also doesnt say SOME haves. So, the correct interpretation would seem to be they are referring to all haves. The modifier would seem necessary if they were only referring to some. That's like racism when someone says....such and such people are bad. They don't say ALL such and such people. So, it is taken to refer to the entire group.
Would it make you feel better if Ed gave all his money away before he is allowed to sing Bushleaguer again? Money will not change Ed's opinion.
What would you consider a "have"? I'm not rich, but have money to spend.
Basically, the song is not about money, so taken in context, "the haves" has nothing to do with Ed. It's about politics. Not wealth.
I don't care either way. It's a song, and it's clear what they are saying. But to respond.
1 clearly. Who thinks Eddie would ever criticize himself in his own song?
2 no. But he also doesn't have to pretend he's not part of the haves.
3 ask Eddie. He wrote the song. But, clearly Eddie is now a have.
4 that is not the common or poetic definition. There's nothing wrong with criticizing or finding hypocrisy in your favorite artist's art. It happens all the time. I hate the meaning of the song, but it is a cool tune. So, I'm a hypocrit too.