RHCP without Frusciante...

youngster

just ain't the Red Hot Chili Peppers to me.

Don't get me wrong, I know he only played on 50% of the bands albums. Hillel Slovak was their original guitarist and was a genious at his trade. The early funk of the RHCP would not have been possible without the genious of Hillel. And I realize that Flea and Cliff Martinez were the best rhythm section for funk in the 80's. Jack Irons was no slouch on the Uplift Mofo Party Plan album. But when Frusciante joined the band in '88 after Hillel's untimely death, it changed the Peppers forever. Mother's Milk was a new sound for the Peppers compared to the previous 3 albums and they peaked commercially with Blood Sugar Sex Magic. Some of their best songs came from these albums. Frusciante left due to his issues with fame and heavy drug use. Replaced by Dave Navarro for 1995's One Hot Minute, the album was a commercial flop. Enter 1998, Frusciante re-joins the band to record Californication which goes on to sell 15 million records and is their most successful album to date, followed by By The Way which is my favorite album by them, and the mighty Stadium Arcadium in 2006 which is packed with hits. Not ragging on the new album, which I think is pretty good, but it is missing that Frusciante touch. You can tell he is not the guitarist and it seems that the Peppers are missing a great creative force. No disrespect to Josh Klinghoffer who clearly is a great guitarist, but even he would agree he is no John Frusciante.

EZ1221C

youngster wrote:

just ain't the Red Hot Chili Peppers to me.

Don't get me wrong, I know he only played on 50% of the bands albums. Hillel Slovak was their original guitarist and was a genious at his trade. The early funk of the RHCP would not have been possible without the genious of Hillel. And I realize that Flea and Cliff Martinez were the best rhythm section for funk in the 80's. Jack Irons was no slouch on the Uplift Mofo Party Plan album. But when Frusciante joined the band in '88 after Hillel's untimely death, it changed the Peppers forever. Mother's Milk was a new sound for the Peppers compared to the previous 3 albums and they peaked commercially with Blood Sugar Sex Magic. Some of their best songs came from these albums. Frusciante left due to his issues with fame and heavy drug use. Replaced by Dave Navarro for 1995's One Hot Minute, the album was a commercial flop. Enter 1998, Frusciante re-joins the band to record Californication which goes on to sell 15 million records and is their most successful album to date, followed by By The Way which is my favorite album by them, and the mighty Stadium Arcadium in 2006 which is packed with hits. Not ragging on the new album, which I think is pretty good, but it is missing that Frusciante touch. You can tell he is not the guitarist and it seems that the Peppers are missing a great creative force. No disrespect to Josh Klinghoffer who clearly is a great guitarist, but even he would agree he is no John Frusciante.

I was thinking about this the other day. I thought that John wrote the majority of the music, and that void shows in the new album imo.

peacefrompaul

EZ1221C wrote:

youngster wrote:

just ain't the Red Hot Chili Peppers to me.

Don't get me wrong, I know he only played on 50% of the bands albums. Hillel Slovak was their original guitarist and was a genious at his trade. The early funk of the RHCP would not have been possible without the genious of Hillel. And I realize that Flea and Cliff Martinez were the best rhythm section for funk in the 80's. Jack Irons was no slouch on the Uplift Mofo Party Plan album. But when Frusciante joined the band in '88 after Hillel's untimely death, it changed the Peppers forever. Mother's Milk was a new sound for the Peppers compared to the previous 3 albums and they peaked commercially with Blood Sugar Sex Magic. Some of their best songs came from these albums. Frusciante left due to his issues with fame and heavy drug use. Replaced by Dave Navarro for 1995's One Hot Minute, the album was a commercial flop. Enter 1998, Frusciante re-joins the band to record Californication which goes on to sell 15 million records and is their most successful album to date, followed by By The Way which is my favorite album by them, and the mighty Stadium Arcadium in 2006 which is packed with hits. Not ragging on the new album, which I think is pretty good, but it is missing that Frusciante touch. You can tell he is not the guitarist and it seems that the Peppers are missing a great creative force. No disrespect to Josh Klinghoffer who clearly is a great guitarist, but even he would agree he is no John Frusciante.

I was thinking about this the other day. I thought that John wrote the majority of the music, and that void shows in the new album imo.

They were different after Hillel and now they're different after John. We'll see where it goes.

youngster

peacefrompaul wrote:

EZ1221C wrote:

youngster wrote:

just ain't the Red Hot Chili Peppers to me.

Don't get me wrong, I know he only played on 50% of the bands albums. Hillel Slovak was their original guitarist and was a genious at his trade. The early funk of the RHCP would not have been possible without the genious of Hillel. And I realize that Flea and Cliff Martinez were the best rhythm section for funk in the 80's. Jack Irons was no slouch on the Uplift Mofo Party Plan album. But when Frusciante joined the band in '88 after Hillel's untimely death, it changed the Peppers forever. Mother's Milk was a new sound for the Peppers compared to the previous 3 albums and they peaked commercially with Blood Sugar Sex Magic. Some of their best songs came from these albums. Frusciante left due to his issues with fame and heavy drug use. Replaced by Dave Navarro for 1995's One Hot Minute, the album was a commercial flop. Enter 1998, Frusciante re-joins the band to record Californication which goes on to sell 15 million records and is their most successful album to date, followed by By The Way which is my favorite album by them, and the mighty Stadium Arcadium in 2006 which is packed with hits. Not ragging on the new album, which I think is pretty good, but it is missing that Frusciante touch. You can tell he is not the guitarist and it seems that the Peppers are missing a great creative force. No disrespect to Josh Klinghoffer who clearly is a great guitarist, but even he would agree he is no John Frusciante.

I was thinking about this the other day. I thought that John wrote the majority of the music, and that void shows in the new album imo.

They were different after Hillel and now they're different after John. We'll see where it goes.

Absolutely! And if the next album is better than Californication, I will eat my words!

musicismylife78

well it makes sense that you wouldnt feel they are the same chili peppers anymore, because they arent. all their most acclaimed and loved albums feature john.

john is most likely the best guitarist of our generation.

that said, its not like josh is a slouch. he's very talented. is he a virtuoso like frusciante? no, but who is? the guy (josh0 obviously hugely talented, he played drums in warpaint as well, so he's damn good

EZ1221C

youngster wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

EZ1221C wrote:

I was thinking about this the other day. I thought that John wrote the majority of the music, and that void shows in the new album imo.

They were different after Hillel and now they're different after John. We'll see where it goes.

Absolutely! And if the next album is better than Californication, I will eat my words!

Only time will tell. I will say though that is it damn hard to follow up 3 guitarists as talented as Hillel, John, Dave, and John. Not really a knock on Klinghoffer, just an observation.

musicismylife78

i also think the new album is different and a change of pace, because we are so used to the theatrics and crazy insane solos and inventive sounds from frusciante.

with josh, he has a very understated style. that said, he's a talented guy.

youngster

musicismylife78 wrote:

i also think the new album is different and a change of pace, because we are so used to the theatrics and crazy insane solos and inventive sounds from frusciante.

with josh, he has a very understated style. that said, he's a talented guy.

I agree. He is super talented. But I love those inventive, crazy solos from Frusciante. It's what made the Peppers fun to see in concert.

keeponrockin

I'll see them live if they come around, but it would be kind of strange.

And the answer to 'greatest guitarist of 'our' generation' is Derek Trucks.

rhcpjam1029

i'm with you is still a great album, but it definitely is not the same with frusciante.

JonnyPistachio

This might sound weird, but I feel like this new album sounds like a bunch of b-sides from Stadium arcadium. And I am one of these rare fans that loved almost all of S.A.

I've listened to the new album 3 times, and it just doesnt have balls. But I intend on giving it a few more spins because things sometimes grow on me slowly.

ilockyer

keeponrockin wrote:

And the answer to 'greatest guitarist of 'our' generation' is Derek Trucks.

He is insanely good. I don't have anything to add about RHCP.

FenwayFaithful

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Well said youngster. The chili peppers are Flea, Anthony, John and Will Ferrell. Klinger will probably play this tour and maybe one more album-tour cycle, then John's coming back in 2014.

conman

i talked to my sister about this when the album first came out and we agreed that something was definately missing without frusciante..... not that the album is bad but it just doesn't sound like the chili peppers

JonnyPistachio

FenwayFaithful wrote:

The chili peppers are Flea, Anthony, John and Will Ferrell.

I thought we'd get confirmation in the Movie Stepbrothers that they are the same person...but nope, he just teabagged a drumset..

Newch91

keeponrockin wrote:

And the answer to 'greatest guitarist of 'our' generation' is Derek Trucks.

100% agree.

Newch91

Not big on RHCP, but I do love Mother's Milk, BSSM, and Californiacation.

FenwayFaithful

Newch91 wrote:

Not big on RHCP, but I do love Mother's Milk, BSSM, and Californiacation.

Check out By the Way. youngster was saying last weekend that BTW is better than Californication. I totally agree.

shoug772

As much love as I have for RHCP, I have to agree that they are just not the same without John....Anyone ever seen RHCP live @ Slane Castle in Ireland? This is RHCP at their finest, Frusciante is just mind blowing!! :shock:

Johnnyguitarwatson

I think im with you is their best album since californication... I honestly miss his backing vocals more than his guitar style... What do i know though

Newch91

FenwayFaithful wrote:

Newch91 wrote:

Not big on RHCP, but I do love Mother's Milk, BSSM, and Californiacation.

Check out By the Way. youngster was saying last weekend that BTW is better than Californication. I totally agree.

Might have to check that one out. I've heard the song, By the Way (no pun intended).

youngster

Newch91 wrote:

FenwayFaithful wrote:

Newch91 wrote:

Not big on RHCP, but I do love Mother's Milk, BSSM, and Californiacation.

Check out By the Way. youngster was saying last weekend that BTW is better than Californication. I totally agree.

Might have to check that one out. I've heard the song, By the Way (no pun intended).

Yeah dude, you HAVE to check that album out. So many great songs that could have been hits. I think Dosed might be my favorite Chili's song of all time and it's on there. Zephyr song, This is the Place, Cabron, and Venice Queen are all phenomenal songs. And that doesn't count the actual hits of By the Way, Universally Speaking, and Can't Stop. I used to be all about Californication and that is a great album, but recently this album sticks out to me and the reason is because of Frusciante. Kiedis' lyrics have always been unique and Flea's low end is signature, but without Frusciante's masterful guitar playing and awesome backing vocals the Chilis are are just a team without their best player on the field.

Newch91

I was listening to BSSM tonight and forgot how terrific of a song "I Could Have Lied" was. Beautiful solo by John.

keeponrockin

Newch91 wrote:

I was listening to BSSM tonight and forgot how terrific of a song "I Could Have Lied" was. Beautiful solo by John.

GREAT song, that solo is so emotional.

Newch91

keeponrockin wrote:

Newch91 wrote:

I was listening to BSSM tonight and forgot how terrific of a song "I Could Have Lied" was. Beautiful solo by John.

GREAT song, that solo is so emotional.

Definitely. He makes you feel the pain.

tinkerbell

shoug772 wrote:

As much love as I have for RHCP, I have to agree that they are just not the same without John....Anyone ever seen RHCP live @ Slane Castle in Ireland? This is RHCP at their finest, Frusciante is just mind blowing!! :shock:

This is my go to DVD when theres nothing on tv! John was on fire that night!!! By the Way is my favourite album by them, not a single song I would skip. Love Dosed and Venice Queen and Can't Stop and Don't Forget Me and..... well all of them really

I'm With You is good but to me its not great (apart from Brendan's Death Song)

Olivavu

Dave Navarro was their best guitarist and One Hot Minute the best album.