Job risks?

LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
edited December 2011 in All Encompassing Trip
Say you have a safe job that you don't like.


Say you have a job opportunity, making about 12% more than you are now, but requires you to be part time for 6 months until you get the position.


Do you risk it?
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  • Is it in writing that you'll get the position in 6 mos.?
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    nope
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Is it in writing that you'll get the position in 6 mos.?
    Not sure yet. A buddy has a full time position and is trying to sell me on it. I have to talk to him more about it.
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    you do graphic design?
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    edited November 2011
    81 wrote:
    you do graphic design?
    That was my major. I did a side job, but that's it. I worked in retail computer support for 3 years after college and have worked as a "Product implementation Specialist' for the past 3 years. Basically I work for a company that personalizes products. We set up the files, test knew products and equipment. I also repair equipment, on call 24/7 this time of year through xmas.
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  • Gob wrote:
    Is it in writing that you'll get the position in 6 mos.?
    Not sure yet. A buddy has a full time position and is trying to sell me on it. I have to talk to him more about it.

    well assuming it is for certain 6 months. and money is the only factor.

    at 6 mos half time you'll be making (1.12/2) = 56% of what you were making at your old job for six months. Then you get the full time gig at 112% this averages out to 84% of what you were making.

    Year 2 you get 112% which average, out for both years to be 98% of what you were making.

    So the beginning of year three at your new job is when you'll start seeing that 12 percent more in your paycheck. Is that worth it?

    At my place we get 5-10 percent annual merit increases of our base salary. Assuming a 7% increase with your old job for two years means you would be making 14.4% more if you stayed with your old job for those two years.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Gob wrote:
    Is it in writing that you'll get the position in 6 mos.?
    Not sure yet. A buddy has a full time position and is trying to sell me on it. I have to talk to him more about it.

    well assuming it is for certain 6 months. and money is the only factor.

    at 6 mos half time you'll be making (1.12/2) = 56% of what you were making at your old job for six months. Then you get the full time gig at 112% this averages out to 84% of what you were making.

    Year 2 you get 112% which average, out for both years to be 98% of what you were making.

    So the beginning of year three at your new job is when you'll start seeing that 12 percent more in your paycheck. Is that worth it?

    At my place we get 5-10 percent annual merit increases of our base salary. Assuming a 7% increase with your old job for two years means you would be making 14.4% more if you stayed with your old job for those two years.
    if the hours are as garunteed, I'll make the money back that I lost in 6 months in only 4 months.
  • how do you figure that?
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    how do you figure that?
    Well, I'll get 25 to 30 hours a week.


    actually, the number I figure is how much I'll lose in savings, not including how much I'd save financially in this period. :?
  • Gob wrote:
    how do you figure that?
    Well, I'll get 25 to 30 hours a week.


    actually, the number I figure is how much I'll lose in savings, not including how much I'd save financially in this period. :?

    you live on your own? mortgage or rent?
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Gob wrote:
    how do you figure that?
    Well, I'll get 25 to 30 hours a week.


    actually, the number I figure is how much I'll lose in savings, not including how much I'd save financially in this period. :?

    you live on your own? mortgage or rent?
    Yes.. rent.
  • Sounds to me like it's a go if the majority of these things are garaunteed. You don't have a wife/kids/house tying you down. You can afford the risk if the job is geared towards your long-term goals.

    Keep in mind, if you're a "grass is always greener" type personallity, you'll be finding yourself in the same position in 3 years.
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  • If they are not guaranteed to hire you full-time after six months and in this economy/job market... that's a big risk.
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    At my place we get 5-10 percent annual merit increases of our base salary.


    :shock:


    our base cola over the last 5 years or so has been

    4
    3
    0
    2.7
    2.5

    if memory serves

    merits have ranged from like 5% to 15-20% depending on the person and the year
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    one of my old coworkers used to say, you don't leave a job for a new job unless the pay is 20% more

    obviously, depending on position and where you are in your career, that rule may not be so ridged...
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  • L20L20 Posts: 9
    I can't embed the image I use in my signature (I think you can view it?) but if you're asking on the PJ forum you must know that this is a valid response.
    Leap.
    It's not a bad way to live.

    Best of luck to you and hope you get a happy result whatever you decide!
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    My biggest problem with my current job is this time of the year they want me 24/7 for tech support. I can't do it anymore. I live 40 minutes away from work. I'm not going all the way home only to turn around and come back. I'm not going to wake up in the middle of the night anymore to go in. I get 40k a year. Thats's not that much. If they are that dependent on me then they can pay me like a doctor to be on call 24/7.

    I don't know if any job can fire you for not answering your phone because you are sleeping, but my phone is going off from the time I leave work until the time I come in next. I have no problem working extra hours by staying late, even though I am salary, but I can't make make multiple trips at that distance and be available at 11pm, 5am and 2 o'clock in the afternoon on any given day.


    Basically I'm done giving a crap unless I am working my regular hours on the job. It was never told to me I had to be available these hours, but it's become kind of expected out of me over the years. There was a time I lived 5 minutes away from work, and while still a hastle, I was willing to help at just about any hour.


    They had plenty of opportunities to train a back-up for me, but that never happened. I'm not a robot.


    The other job opportunity wouldn't be for another month anyways. I think at this point it will be a back-up if everything goes to hell in the coming weeks because I'm done stressing about my current job.
  • 81 wrote:
    one of my old coworkers used to say, you don't leave a job for a new job unless the pay is 20% more

    obviously, depending on position and where you are in your career, that rule may not be so ridged...


    you talking jobs, or condoms?
    hahaha.
    rigid rules.
    :P


    as someone who has fallen victim to this absolute shit economy and still at it, i would not walk away from a solid job without pause. if you are absolutely guaranteed a fullt-ime position within 6 months, in writing, and feel like this new company is solid, a real step forward ... then sure, go for it. otherwise, i'd hang tight.
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    If you are that valuable and working that much extra, talk to your supervisor about your concerns.

    Companies will toss coin to keep quality employee's.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    81 wrote:
    If you are that valuable and working that much extra, talk to your supervisor about your concerns.

    Companies will toss coin to keep quality employee's.
    :thumbup:
    Sometimes even the not so quality ones! ;)
    Handled right, resigning can be a good career move.

    d2d - ribbed....ribbed condoms. :P ridged condoms sound...painful.
  • 81 wrote:
    If you are that valuable and working that much extra, talk to your supervisor about your concerns.

    Companies will toss coin to keep quality employee's.
    :thumbup:
    Sometimes even the not so quality ones! ;)
    Handled right, resigning can be a good career move.

    d2d - ribbed....ribbed condoms. :P ridged condoms sound...painful.

    i know, i know - but none the less, it's where my mind went upon reading. :oops:
    and hey, it's ribbed for her pleasure, or so they say ;)...so whatever. ridges, how bad can that be? hahaha.



    sorry for the slight thread derailment gob - good luck with your decision!
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


    I am myself like you somehow


  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    :thumbup:
    Sometimes even the not so quality ones! ;)
    Handled right, resigning can be a good career move.

    d2d - ribbed....ribbed condoms. :P ridged condoms sound...painful.

    i know, i know - but none the less, it's where my mind went upon reading. :oops:
    and hey, it's ribbed for her pleasure, or so they say ;)...so whatever. ridges, how bad can that be? hahaha.



    sorry for the slight thread derailment gob - good luck with your decision!
    slight? :lol: When I hear 'ridges', I think 90+ degree angles...sounds pretty bad!
    perv :P

    on point.... what kind of demand there is for your skill set if the new place doesn't work out?....Can't hurt to put out some feelers with other places if you haven't been looking actively.
  • SuziemaySuziemay Posts: 11,168
    At my place we get 5-10 percent annual merit increases of our base salary. Assuming a 7% increase with your old job for two years means you would be making 14.4% more if you stayed with your old job for those two years.

    :shock: Is your company hiring? :lol::lol:

    I think average merit increase is 2-3%, if at all. Over the last few years, many had pay freezes or pay cuts even.

    Back to Gob's original question. As someone who is fortunate to have a fairly secure profession, I've never had to worry about getting laid off/being unemployed, but I have been incredibly unhappy at a job, and the damage it does once you cross a certain point is just not worth it for any amount of job security. It was such a toxic environment, everyone was unhappy and it was literally sucking the life out of me. I had no energy at the end of the day to deal with anything else, and after it had gone on for far too long, something clicked in me and I realized I did not like the person I had become. When I resigned, I felt a weight lifted off my shoulders and for the new 8 months I was so fucking happy! After that reality set in and yeah, there are things about the new job I don't like, but it was definitely a 100% improvement from my previous state. If your head is fucked up, no amount of money or job security matters.

    If you don't have a family or anyone depending on you financially, now is the time to take the chance and I envy you that it is a step towards doing something you'd like to do! Chances are if it's not what you have experience doing you will not get a pay raise, but if the long-term potential gets you back to where you are now and beyond, that's something to factor in. If it never gets you to what you make now, you then have to decide if you are willing to trade whatever lifestyle you have developed for the chance of doing something you love.

    I ended up taking a job doing the same thing even though I don't love what I do, but even that step was a step forward. It just gets harder and harder and the worse thing is to feel stuck at a job because you need the money.

    Will your current company take you back if the new job doesn't work out? If you don't burn any bridges sometimes that's an option.

    Good luck with your decision.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Gob wrote:
    My biggest problem with my current job is this time of the year they want me 24/7 for tech support. I can't do it anymore. I live 40 minutes away from work. I'm not going all the way home only to turn around and come back. I'm not going to wake up in the middle of the night anymore to go in. I get 40k a year. Thats's not that much. If they are that dependent on me then they can pay me like a doctor to be on call 24/7.

    I don't know if any job can fire you for not answering your phone because you are sleeping, but my phone is going off from the time I leave work until the time I come in next. I have no problem working extra hours by staying late, even though I am salary, but I can't make make multiple trips at that distance and be available at 11pm, 5am and 2 o'clock in the afternoon on any given day.


    Basically I'm done giving a crap unless I am working my regular hours on the job. It was never told to me I had to be available these hours, but it's become kind of expected out of me over the years. There was a time I lived 5 minutes away from work, and while still a hastle, I was willing to help at just about any hour.


    They had plenty of opportunities to train a back-up for me, but that never happened. I'm not a robot.


    The other job opportunity wouldn't be for another month anyways. I think at this point it will be a back-up if everything goes to hell in the coming weeks because I'm done stressing about my current job.

    F that man. Sounds like you're ready for a change. I'd take the other job and move on. While you are part time you can always look for another permanent job or get a 2nd part time gig.

    I've had jobs I hated (my first couple out of college when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with myself)...there is nothing worse than going to work everyday to a job that you hate.

    Change can be a good thing. Good luck
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    The Fixer wrote:
    Gob wrote:
    My biggest problem with my current job is this time of the year they want me 24/7 for tech support. I can't do it anymore. I live 40 minutes away from work. I'm not going all the way home only to turn around and come back. I'm not going to wake up in the middle of the night anymore to go in. I get 40k a year. Thats's not that much. If they are that dependent on me then they can pay me like a doctor to be on call 24/7.

    I don't know if any job can fire you for not answering your phone because you are sleeping, but my phone is going off from the time I leave work until the time I come in next. I have no problem working extra hours by staying late, even though I am salary, but I can't make make multiple trips at that distance and be available at 11pm, 5am and 2 o'clock in the afternoon on any given day.


    Basically I'm done giving a crap unless I am working my regular hours on the job. It was never told to me I had to be available these hours, but it's become kind of expected out of me over the years. There was a time I lived 5 minutes away from work, and while still a hastle, I was willing to help at just about any hour.


    They had plenty of opportunities to train a back-up for me, but that never happened. I'm not a robot.


    The other job opportunity wouldn't be for another month anyways. I think at this point it will be a back-up if everything goes to hell in the coming weeks because I'm done stressing about my current job.

    F that man. Sounds like you're ready for a change. I'd take the other job and move on. While you are part time you can always look for another permanent job or get a 2nd part time gig.

    I've had jobs I hated (my first couple out of college when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with myself)...there is nothing worse than going to work everyday to a job that you hate.

    Change can be a good thing. Good luck


    This is what I'm thinking..


    I talked to my friend, and he's telling me I'd be working at least 30 hrs a week.. Seems like the only difference between part time and full time is going from hourly to salary and getting the benefits.


    Plus, I'd get a company vehicle which I could use for personal use and the company would pay for all of the gas. I'm spending over $300 a month now in gas and tolls, plus wear and tear on my own car.
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    Gob wrote:

    Plus, I'd get a company vehicle which I could use for personal use and the company would pay for all of the gas. I'm spending over $300 a month now in gas and tolls, plus wear and tear on my own car.


    just an fyi, that is a taxable benifit....if they do it correctly....at my last company, those with company cars could drive them all they wanted for personal use, but they were suppose to track it those miles were added to their w2 statement.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    81 wrote:
    Gob wrote:

    Plus, I'd get a company vehicle which I could use for personal use and the company would pay for all of the gas. I'm spending over $300 a month now in gas and tolls, plus wear and tear on my own car.


    just an fyi, that is a taxable benifit....if they do it correctly....at my last company, those with company cars could drive them all they wanted for personal use, but they were suppose to track it those miles were added to their w2 statement.
    Good to know.. Would they count using the vehicle to and from work as personal use? I'd be based from home and heading to different job sites..


    That's the real killer right now. I drive 30 miles to my current job.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    the bottom line is simple really... if you can afford to take this new job regardless of whether you get picked up or not after the probation period, then do it. its your life.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    the bottom line is simple really... if you can afford to take this new job regardless of whether you get picked up or not after the probation period, then do it. its your life.



    I could get by for a long time assuming I average 30+ hrs a week... My worry would be not saving any money. I try to throw $100 a week into my savings.. I would be living very frugally if they didn't make me full time, but I suppose I could support myself long enough to find another job.. I have a years worth of income saved up in savings as a cushion too.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Gob wrote:
    the bottom line is simple really... if you can afford to take this new job regardless of whether you get picked up or not after the probation period, then do it. its your life.



    I could get by for a long time assuming I average 30+ hrs a week... My worry would be not saving any money. I try to throw $100 a week into my savings.. I would be living very frugally if they didn't make me full time, but I suppose I could support myself long enough to find another job.. I have a years worth of income saved up in savings as a cushion too.

    then i say do it if you want to do it and if youre okay with your decision.. why stay in a job you hate???
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