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CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
edited October 2011 in A Moving Train
Land Of Opportunity for American workers... 15,500 jobs in Alabama and Georgia... open the floodgates!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/anti-illegal-immi ... 19862.html
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politic ... -elections
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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Cosmo wrote:
    Land Of Opportunity for American workers... 15,500 jobs in Alabama and Georgia... open the floodgates!!!
    http://news.yahoo.com/anti-illegal-immi ... 19862.html
    http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politic ... -elections

    Here are some jobs...

    ...where are the takers?
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  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    we sure know their is no shortage of economists these days. they go for about a dime a dozen.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    inlet13 wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Land Of Opportunity for American workers... 15,500 jobs in Alabama and Georgia... open the floodgates!!!
    http://news.yahoo.com/anti-illegal-immi ... 19862.html
    http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politic ... -elections

    Here are some jobs...

    ...where are the takers?
    ...
    $5,000.00 a year... not chained to a cubicle... no need for costly tanning sessions... casual Friday, everyday (including Saturday and Sunday)... Come on, America! It's about the Jobs, right?
    And keeping those damn Mexicans out!
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    What's wrong with being a farmer?
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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    CH156378 wrote:
    we sure know their is no shortage of economists these days. they go for about a dime a dozen.


    Mind if I ask what you do for a living?
    Here's a new demo called "in the fire":

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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    What's wrong with being a farmer?

    they aren't farmers ... they are labourers ...

    anyways ... there is no money in farming unless you are a biotech company like monsanto ...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    What's wrong with being a farmer?

    they aren't farmers ... they are labourers ...

    anyways ... there is no money in farming unless you are a biotech company like monsanto ...
    Don't tell that to my local Chevy dealership which has new trucks flying off the lot after each harvest.

    Also, what is wrong with being a laborer?
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    Don't tell that to my local Chevy dealership which has new trucks flying off the lot after each harvest.

    Also, what is wrong with being a laborer?

    there is nothing wrong with being a labourer ... i'm not really sure what the discussion is about here ... :lol::lol:

    i am assuming its the fact no one wants to work for $5,000 a year ... that is probably the crux of it ...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Don't tell that to my local Chevy dealership which has new trucks flying off the lot after each harvest.

    Also, what is wrong with being a laborer?

    there is nothing wrong with being a labourer ... i'm not really sure what the discussion is about here ... :lol::lol:

    i am assuming its the fact no one wants to work for $5,000 a year ... that is probably the crux of it ...
    I'm not sure where this is heading either ... but I shall push forward anyway. :D

    Where do you get $5K per year? And what's the cut-off until breaking a sweat is justifiable to an 18 year old American? $15K? $30K? Is it better to make $25K when you are 18, slowly working your way up to $32K over 4 years? Or is it better to spend $80-$200K over the same four years, and then not be able to find work that is justifiable for the investment made?

    Also, I worked as a laborer in the farming, logging, and construction trades from age 13 until 23, full-time in summers, part-time during school. I could have chosen to enter a specialized field, but went to college instead because ... well, that was just the expectation growing up.

    Also, hard workers don't stay laborers their entire career. They stand out and they work their way up. If you're an illegal immigrant, that isn't even a possibility, thus we have the system that currently exists.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    I'm not sure where this is heading either ... but I shall push forward anyway. :D

    Where do you get $5K per year? And what's the cut-off until breaking a sweat is justifiable to an 18 year old American? $15K? $30K? Is it better to make $25K when you are 18, slowly working your way up to $32K over 4 years? Or is it better to spend $80-$200K over the same four years, and then not be able to find work that is justifiable for the investment made?

    Also, I worked as a laborer in the farming, logging, and construction trades from age 13 until 23, full-time in summers, part-time during school. I could have chosen to enter a specialized field, but went to college instead because ... well, that was just the expectation growing up.

    Also, hard workers don't stay laborers their entire career. They stand out and they work their way up. If you're an illegal immigrant, that isn't even a possibility, thus we have the system that currently exists.

    after reading your post - i still don't know what we are talking about but i'll respond anyways ... :lol:

    the article said $5k a year ... i would assume that isn't for a full 12 mths of work ... either way, maybe the issue here is that there are jobs that drive the economy that no one but undocumented workers will take ... part of the narcissistic epidemic ... although having said that - i'm sure when you work out the hourly wages of these labourers - it's gonna be putrid ... so, the question isn't so much would you work for $5k a year but rather $2 an hour ... doing anything ...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    polaris_x wrote:

    after reading your post - i still don't know what we are talking about but i'll respond anyways ... :lol:

    the article said $5k a year ... i would assume that isn't for a full 12 mths of work ... either way, maybe the issue here is that there are jobs that drive the economy that no one but undocumented workers will take ... part of the narcissistic epidemic ... although having said that - i'm sure when you work out the hourly wages of these labourers - it's gonna be putrid ... so, the question isn't so much would you work for $5k a year but rather $2 an hour ... doing anything ...
    I actually used to bail hay for $2 / hr .... but it was all under the table ... take that, The Man! :twisted: But I was only around 13 at the time and $16 could buy a lot of Topps wax-packs baseball cards with that horrible stick of gum. I felt like a king.

    (speaking of baseball, last nights Cards / Rangers game was one of the best I've ever witnessed)

    That said, I don't think most people would work for that amount ... unless your country allows a shadow-market to exist.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,432
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    What's wrong with being a farmer?

    they aren't farmers ... they are labourers ...

    anyways ... there is no money in farming unless you are a biotech company like monsanto ...
    The way things are run today, I think your answer is very much correct, ploaris_x. And that's a shame. Who amoung us doesn't eat?

    But the flip side to this is that, according to peak oil researchers, farming is something many more of us will be doing in the future. Even today there are people going into farming because they see a future in it. Some of our local farmer's market vendors are you people who do very well growing organic produce, grow and sell flowers, tend bees, make vegetable oils and so forth. Most of these folks are fairly progressive but I also know a very politically conservative man who sees the wisdom of going into organic farming. He was going to develope for commercial purposes a stretch of property along the highway that runs through our town but later decided to focus his energy on some land he owns to work as an organic farm.

    So I tend to believe that when oil becomes more scare and much more expensive, growing will become more and more a local activity with more and more people involved in the work and that in turn will lead to greater demand for fair pay. Wishful thinking?
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    brianlux wrote:
    The way things are run today, I think your answer is very much correct, ploaris_x. And that's a shame. Who amoung us doesn't eat?

    But the flip side to this is that, according to peak oil researchers, farming is something many more of us will be doing in the future. Even today there are people going into farming because they see a future in it. Some of our local farmer's market vendors are you people who do very well growing organic produce, grow and sell flowers, tend bees, make vegetable oils and so forth. Most of these folks are fairly progressive but I also know a very politically conservative man who sees the wisdom of going into organic farming. He was going to develope for commercial purposes a stretch of property along the highway that runs through our town but later decided to focus his energy on some land he owns to work as an organic farm.

    So I tend to believe that when oil becomes more scare and much more expensive, growing will become more and more a local activity with more and more people involved in the work and that in turn will lead to greater demand for fair pay. Wishful thinking?

    ya ... urban farming is exploding ... the funny thing is when you cut the biotech's out of the picture ... farmers can actually make a living ... granted they put in long hours but it's at least profitable for these farmers ...
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Jason P wrote:
    If you're an illegal immigrant, that isn't even a possibility, thus we have the system that currently exists.


    There is a possibility, they could follow the laws.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    If you're an illegal immigrant, that isn't even a possibility, thus we have the system that currently exists.


    There is a possibility, they could follow the laws.
    ...
    Generally speaking...
    The ones who come here legally don't want to be day laborers. They want their kids to grow up and compete with your kids for office jobs.
    The ones who come here illegally don't want to be American Citizens. They want to make a better life for their families in Guatemala.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jason P wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Don't tell that to my local Chevy dealership which has new trucks flying off the lot after each harvest.

    Also, what is wrong with being a laborer?

    there is nothing wrong with being a labourer ... i'm not really sure what the discussion is about here ... :lol::lol:

    i am assuming its the fact no one wants to work for $5,000 a year ... that is probably the crux of it ...
    I'm not sure where this is heading either ... but I shall push forward anyway. :D

    Where do you get $5K per year? And what's the cut-off until breaking a sweat is justifiable to an 18 year old American? $15K? $30K? Is it better to make $25K when you are 18, slowly working your way up to $32K over 4 years? Or is it better to spend $80-$200K over the same four years, and then not be able to find work that is justifiable for the investment made?

    Also, I worked as a laborer in the farming, logging, and construction trades from age 13 until 23, full-time in summers, part-time during school. I could have chosen to enter a specialized field, but went to college instead because ... well, that was just the expectation growing up.

    Also, hard workers don't stay laborers their entire career. They stand out and they work their way up. If you're an illegal immigrant, that isn't even a possibility, thus we have the system that currently exists.
    ...
    Great. You can send your 13 year old out to pick blueberries in Georgia. American teenagers have it too easy... a bit of 16 hour day in the Sun, picking berries that grow close to the ground will build character. My guess, they'll quit after hour 4.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    When your in college and trying to get an internship (and you don't rich-friend connections), it helps to have work experience. Even if it is picking up grapes.

    It's exactly how I got my internship. They were very impressed with my prior work history. And my hard work at my internship is why I had a job waiting for me after getting my diploma.

    So even if it's picking up grapes, it can be a career opportunity.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jason P wrote:
    When your in college and trying to get an internship (and you don't rich-friend connections), it helps to have work experience. Even if it is picking up grapes.

    It's exactly how I got my internship. They were very impressed with my prior work history. And my hard work at my internship is why I had a job waiting for me after getting my diploma.

    So even if it's picking up grapes, it can be a career opportunity.
    ...
    I know. I was slinging newspapers from the handlebars of a Schwinn sting-Ray when I was 13. Nothing like the hard labor of picking grapes under the blistering Sun. I worked at a Pup N Taco in High School and got part time work slashing weeds around Dodgers Stadium for a couple of Summers. Work is good... no question.
    The point of the article is this... be careful what you wish for because every wish produces probable and predictible outcomes.
    In this case, the fact that you will not find many Americans willing to do the same work, working the same long hours, under the same conditions, for the same pay as these illegal farm laborers. Hey, pay us 20K... cut the work day to 8 hours... an hour lunch... union breaks... provide health care... make sure it is a healthy work environment.... and we'll sign on.
    As for kids working... what parent would ship their kid to Georgia to work from dawn to dusk, picking berries and getting paid by the pound, not the hour? Sure, a 4 hour night shift at the 'In And Out Burger' is fine... but, 16 hours of labor?
    Americans might do the work... but, not for long and they certainly would not come back the next season. But, them berries don't pick themselves.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
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