9-9-9 Plan

peacefrompaul

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/17/141427450 ... ok?ps=cprs

Thoughts on the article?

_

Here's the summary of the plan:

"The rich will find their tax bills going down, and the majority of working Americans would find their tax bills going up, quite substantially."

That's really all I need to know.

gimmesometruth27

_ wrote:

Here's the summary of the plan:

"The rich will find their tax bills going down, and the majority of working Americans would find their tax bills going up, quite substantially."

That's really all I need to know.

wrong plan herman....good try though, at least you have a suggestion on how to fix things. even though it is completely flawed, at least it is an idea, which is more than i have heard from most of the republicans in the race...

peacefrompaul

_ wrote:

Here's the summary of the plan:

"The rich will find their tax bills going down, and the majority of working Americans would find their tax bills going up, quite substantially."

That's really all I need to know.

Same here

peacefrompaul

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

_ wrote:

Here's the summary of the plan:

"The rich will find their tax bills going down, and the majority of working Americans would find their tax bills going up, quite substantially."

That's really all I need to know.

wrong plan herman....good try though, at least you have a suggestion on how to fix things. even though it is completely flawed, at least it is an idea, which is more than i have heard from most of the republicans in the race...

Yep. I totally agree.

RFTC

based on my math & personal income projections AND considering that most of my deductions would be wiped out (have not been confirmed by cains' incredibly poorly detailed plan), i would pay more, about $2000 more per year in taxes, i give this plan a big fat fuck you.

Jason P

My biggest issue is what's to stop congress from making it the 20-20-20 plan in ten years?

mickeyrat

Jason P wrote:

My biggest issue is what's to stop congress from making it the 20-20-20 plan in ten years?

the same nothing to stop from doing it right now. They just hadnt thought of it yet.

Monster Rain

I think his plan stinks. First of all, you can't say that the sales tax would replace the federal income tax when there would still be a federal income tax. Second of all, we don't even have a sales tax that high in NJ and we have pretty much everything taxed out the ass as it is. I'm pretty sure this plan would result in me having my taxes raised--actually, I'm 100% certain of it since I bought a house this year and have a mortgage that currently will get me a deduction that he wants to eliminate. I'm also pretty sure that adding a 9.1% sales tax to everything I buy on top of a 9.1% income tax will result in me paying more taxes than I do now. This really seems like a stupid plan. The only good thing about it is that it's so unorthodox that the other candidates will have it ripped apart by the time the primaries roll around and the novelty of it will have worn off. He might get support from some of the richer voters who will see an opportunity to lower their own taxes (but then again, wealthy people with large mortgages will lose that mortgage interest deduction, too), but the middle-class Republicans will eventually catch on to the shittiness of this plan.

Also, I agree with what Jason P wrote. Those rates will absolutely go up in the future because Congress refuses to stop spending more than the country has. That's why tax rates are where they are now in the first place. Until there is a Balanced Budget Amendment any changes to the tax code will be like putting a scented candle in a hoarder's house. The stink might be covered up for a little while but the mess is still there.

pandora

Those running for President are rich. So 999 works for them and their buds.

This plan banks on the general population thinking it is a change and a flat tax
and that it would be more fair, that doesn't seem to be the case
but could be worked to take the poorest off the board
and not tax essentials only luxury items and allow deductions for middle class families.

999 would probably give Congress another 4 year battle and something to do,
before they scrapped it.

I read the revenue brought in would be much less than it is now
and the government runs in the red
so not much sense in implementing it if it doesn't solve the problem

pjmetz20

9-9-9 works for the 1%...all this will do is divide the gap between the rich and the poor even further... the plan has so many holes in it, it's scary...but what's scarier are the people in the 99% that are following this clown...I don't get it...

pandora

pjmetz20 wrote:

9-9-9 works for the 1%...all this will do is divide the gap between the rich and the poor even further... the plan has so many holes in it, it's scary...but what's scarier are the people in the 99% that are following this clown...I don't get it...

I get it, he appears to be different than what we've had in the past,
he is someone people can relate to.

He knows poor... being a very poor black child who grew up in the Atlanta ghetto,
worked his way up building a good successful business,
had cancer but a few years ago where had little chance to live
yet here he is. A living miracle.
He's got strength in character, a humanness and charisma, a good sense of humor,
accountability and hardline against those using the system and a strong faith in his purpose
in life and in the Presidency.

This is all very attractive, especially after what we have had to choose from in recent years
and those running now.

So for the Republicans in the 99% it might be their best chance to remove Obama.

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

pjmetz20 wrote:

9-9-9 works for the 1%...all this will do is divide the gap between the rich and the poor even further... the plan has so many holes in it, it's scary...but what's scarier are the people in the 99% that are following this clown...I don't get it...

I get it, he appears to be different than what we've had in the past,
he is someone people can relate to.

He knows poor... being a very poor black child who grew up in the Atlanta ghetto,
worked his way up building a good successful business,
had cancer but a few years ago where had little chance to live
yet here he is. A living miracle.
He's got strength in character, a humanness and charisma, a good sense of humor,
accountability and hardline against those using the system and a strong faith in his purpose
in life and in the Presidency.

This is all very attractive, especially after what we have had to choose from in recent years
and those running now.

So for the Republicans in the 99% it might be their best chance to remove Obama.

i am sorry but i have to disagree with some of this. your average person can not identify with a living miracle. he is an exception, and most people are normal everyday people who do not relate to, much less have little in common with a walking miracle.

he also said that "under obamacare, when i caught the cancer i would be dead" which is an out and out lie.. first of all you don't "catch" cancer, and his care would have been expeditied...

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

pjmetz20 wrote:

9-9-9 works for the 1%...all this will do is divide the gap between the rich and the poor even further... the plan has so many holes in it, it's scary...but what's scarier are the people in the 99% that are following this clown...I don't get it...

I get it, he appears to be different than what we've had in the past,
he is someone people can relate to.

He knows poor... being a very poor black child who grew up in the Atlanta ghetto,
worked his way up building a good successful business,
had cancer but a few years ago where had little chance to live
yet here he is. A living miracle.
He's got strength in character, a humanness and charisma, a good sense of humor,
accountability and hardline against those using the system and a strong faith in his purpose
in life and in the Presidency.

This is all very attractive, especially after what we have had to choose from in recent years
and those running now.

So for the Republicans in the 99% it might be their best chance to remove Obama.

i am sorry but i have to disagree with some of this. your average person can not identify with a living miracle. he is an exception, and most people are normal everyday people who do not relate to, much less have little in common with a walking miracle.

he also said that "under obamacare, when i caught the cancer i would be dead" which is an out and out lie.. first of all you don't "catch" cancer, and his care would have been expeditied...

I think he knows you can't catch cancer... that was a saying, a down to earth way of talking,
something you find here in the South, most especially born and raised.
And also he is a politician and is using his life experience to work against his opponent....
just words but the message was there.

The miracle part ....many Republicans can relate to that, the devoutly religious
for sure and even those who do not follow a religion but believe in God.
My point though was more the fighter, is attractive... the strength to overcome
and run for office after little chance of survival.

I see why he is well liked.

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

I think he knows you can't catch cancer... that was a saying, a down to earth way of talking,
something you find here in the South, most especially born and raised.
And also he is a politician and is using his life experience to work against his opponent....
just words but the message was there.

The miracle part ....many Republicans can relate to that, the devoutly religious
for sure and even those who do not follow a religion but believe in God.
My point though was more the fighter, is attractive... the strength to overcome
and run for office after little chance of survival.

I see why he is well liked.

if you like him for those reasons that is cool. i frankly find the man to be pandering to the tea party and for that reason alone i will never vote for him.

i like my candidates to be a little less folksy. i like my candidates to speak to me on my level, not below it.

Chip McFlennigan

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

_ wrote:

Here's the summary of the plan:

"The rich will find their tax bills going down, and the majority of working Americans would find their tax bills going up, quite substantially."

That's really all I need to know.

wrong plan herman....good try though, at least you have a suggestion on how to fix things. even though it is completely flawed, at least it is an idea, which is more than i have heard from most of the republicans in the race...

Why's it gotta be about race? :P

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

I think he knows you can't catch cancer... that was a saying, a down to earth way of talking,
something you find here in the South, most especially born and raised.
And also he is a politician and is using his life experience to work against his opponent....
just words but the message was there.

The miracle part ....many Republicans can relate to that, the devoutly religious
for sure and even those who do not follow a religion but believe in God.
My point though was more the fighter, is attractive... the strength to overcome
and run for office after little chance of survival.

I see why he is well liked.

if you like him for those reasons that is cool. i frankly find the man to be pandering to the tea party and for that reason alone i will never vote for him.

i like my candidates to be a little less folksy. i like my candidates to speak to me on my level, not below it.

Well I wasn't talking about me liking him but answering to why others might find him a
good candidate

Chip McFlennigan

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i like my candidates to speak to me on my level, not below it.

What about those below your level? Should they be disregarded and remain unrepresented?

gimmesometruth27

johnny america wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i like my candidates to speak to me on my level, not below it.

What about those below your level? Should they be disregarded and remain unrepresented?

no, but don't talk to me like a 3rd grader like bush did. there is more nuance to these political issues, and i believe that that needs to be explained to everyone.

Chip McFlennigan

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

johnny america wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i like my candidates to speak to me on my level, not below it.

What about those below your level? Should they be disregarded and remain unrepresented?

no, but don't talk to me like a 3rd grader like bush did. there is more nuance to these political issues, and i believe that that needs to be explained to everyone.

Bush had to pander to the midwestern Republicans, who typically have no higher than a third grade education.

Obama, meanwhile, has to pander to inner city Democrats, who typically have no higher than an 8th grade education.

In reality, both guys are simply interested in lining their own and their associates' pockets.

Meanwhile, you and I are left in the cold. I say, in 2012, nobody votes. That'll send a message.

mikepegg44

johnny america wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

johnny america wrote:

What about those below your level? Should they be disregarded and remain unrepresented?

no, but don't talk to me like a 3rd grader like bush did. there is more nuance to these political issues, and i believe that that needs to be explained to everyone.

Bush had to pander to the midwestern Republicans, who typically have no higher than a third grade education.

Obama, meanwhile, has to pander to inner city Democrats, who typically have no higher than an 8th grade education.

In reality, both guys are simply interested in lining their own and their associates' pockets.

Meanwhile, you and I are left in the cold. I say, in 2012, nobody votes. That'll send a message.

all the data I could find in a quick google search puts the Midwest's graduation rate higher than any other region...just sayin'...
(full disclosure I live in Minnesota, part of the midwest)

How I feel about it is simple, politicians don't need to talk to people like they are scholars, they just shouldn't treat people like children. Does that make sense?

JR8805

pandora wrote:

pjmetz20 wrote:

9-9-9 works for the 1%...all this will do is divide the gap between the rich and the poor even further... the plan has so many holes in it, it's scary...but what's scarier are the people in the 99% that are following this clown...I don't get it...

I get it, he appears to be different than what we've had in the past,
he is someone people can relate to.

He knows poor... being a very poor black child who grew up in the Atlanta ghetto,
worked his way up building a good successful business,
had cancer but a few years ago where had little chance to live
yet here he is. A living miracle.
He's got strength in character, a humanness and charisma, a good sense of humor,
accountability and hardline against those using the system and a strong faith in his purpose
in life and in the Presidency.

This is all very attractive, especially after what we have had to choose from in recent years
and those running now.

So for the Republicans in the 99% it might be their best chance to remove Obama.

Herman Cain has a good back story. When we joined the old car club in area, there was not much concern with the car itself; there was a lot of concern with its back story. It had been driven from coast to coast. It had been bought specifically to take a dying lady to pleasant places so that she might enjoy her last few weeks on earth. Despite doctors' warnings that she could not survive the journey, the ride was apparently so good that she recovered her health and went on to live enjoyably for several more years. You can sell a good back story rather easily; it's rather harder to sell an antique that needs quite a bit of work. I am not concerned with Cain's age, but I am concerned that even though he is generating ideas and firing imaginations (much like my car), not too much of what he has (ideologically speaking) is sound. An electrified fence to keep out immigrants? It works with dogs and cattle! The 9-9-9 plan? His ideas need quite a bit of work. I do agree that he is among the cream of the Republican crop so far and doubt that Obama's losing a lot of sleep over Republican rivals to date. Which doesn't mean he has nothing to worry about, since voters are becoming more Independently minded. This could work for or against him or for or against the Republicans.

pandora

JR8805 wrote:

pandora wrote:

pjmetz20 wrote:

9-9-9 works for the 1%...all this will do is divide the gap between the rich and the poor even further... the plan has so many holes in it, it's scary...but what's scarier are the people in the 99% that are following this clown...I don't get it...

I get it, he appears to be different than what we've had in the past,
he is someone people can relate to.

He knows poor... being a very poor black child who grew up in the Atlanta ghetto,
worked his way up building a good successful business,
had cancer but a few years ago where had little chance to live
yet here he is. A living miracle.
He's got strength in character, a humanness and charisma, a good sense of humor,
accountability and hardline against those using the system and a strong faith in his purpose
in life and in the Presidency.

This is all very attractive, especially after what we have had to choose from in recent years
and those running now.

So for the Republicans in the 99% it might be their best chance to remove Obama.

Herman Cain has a good back story. When we joined the old car club in area, there was not much concern with the car itself; there was a lot of concern with its back story. It had been driven from coast to coast. It had been bought specifically to take a dying lady to pleasant places so that she might enjoy her last few weeks on earth. Despite doctors' warnings that she could not survive the journey, the ride was apparently so good that she recovered her health and went on to live enjoyably for several more years. You can sell a good back story rather easily; it's rather harder to sell an antique that needs quite a bit of work. I am not concerned with Cain's age, but I am concerned that even though he is generating ideas and firing imaginations (much like my car), not too much of what he has (ideologically speaking) is sound. An electrified fence to keep out immigrants? It works with dogs and cattle! The 9-9-9 plan? His ideas need quite a bit of work. I do agree that he is among the cream of the Republican crop so far and doubt that Obama's losing a lot of sleep over Republican rivals to date. Which doesn't mean he has nothing to worry about, since voters are becoming more Independently minded. This could work for or against him or for or against the Republicans.

I liked your story... your way of writing too...
liked your back story and I agree with all you said

My magic ball tells me Obama will befall some positive revitalization,
some magic in 2012 and get a second term

but I've been wrong before