...an important part of World War II and human history...

arqarq Posts: 8,049
edited October 2011 in A Moving Train
All images in this entry are shown in full, not screened out for graphic content. There are many dead bodies. The photographs are graphic and stark. This is the reality of genocide, and of an important part of World War II and human history.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011 ... st/100170/



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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Sad and sickening. I've been to Dachau. I've seen the crematoriums...
  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    So sad :(

    I can't even imagine what it was like for US troops to go to the camps and see all the dead bodies and having to move them.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    wow....


    just horrible...
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  • cound't watch them all.. that's all i have to say..
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    The systematic obliteration of peoples deemed unacceptable to the Nazis....Jews, POWs, Roma, homosexuals and others....They did not create genocide, but they set a benchmark....hate that genocide did not get left in history's dust-bin like the Nazis.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Had to stop looking. For all the criticism the US has faced in recent decades for their foreign policies, this marks one of the greater moments for your country! Every time I drive behind a white-haired fellow that might be going to slowly for my liking, I exercise patience thinking this person deserves it.

    This should have been the final genocide in the world's history, but sadly, indifference has allowed others to occur.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    After seeing some of these images and others at Holocaust Mueseum in Wash. DC it reminds me of that Rush song from.....Grace Under Pressure....

    Red Sector A...

    Red Sector A...lyrics

    All that we can do is just survive
    All that we can do to help ourselves is stay alive

    Ragged lines of ragged grey
    Skeletons, they shuffle away
    Shouting guards and smoking guns
    Will cut down the unlucky ones

    I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed
    A wound that will not heal
    A heart that cannot feel
    Hoping that the horror will recede
    Hoping that tomorrow we'll all be freed

    Sickness to insanity
    Prayer to profanity
    Days and weeks and months go by
    Don't feel the hunger
    Too weak to cry

    I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gate
    Are the liberators here?
    Do I hope or do I fear?
    For my father and my brother, it's too late
    But I must help my mother stand up straight

    Are we the last ones left alive?
    Are we the only human beings to survive?


    Peace
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    g under p wrote:
    After seeing some of these images and others at Holocaust Mueseum in Wash. DC it reminds me of that Rush song from.....Grace Under Pressure....

    Red Sector A...

    Red Sector A...lyrics

    All that we can do is just survive
    All that we can do to help ourselves is stay alive

    Ragged lines of ragged grey
    Skeletons, they shuffle away
    Shouting guards and smoking guns
    Will cut down the unlucky ones

    I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed
    A wound that will not heal
    A heart that cannot feel
    Hoping that the horror will recede
    Hoping that tomorrow we'll all be freed

    Sickness to insanity
    Prayer to profanity
    Days and weeks and months go by
    Don't feel the hunger
    Too weak to cry

    I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gate
    Are the liberators here?
    Do I hope or do I fear?
    For my father and my brother, it's too late
    But I must help my mother stand up straight

    Are we the last ones left alive?
    Are we the only human beings to survive?


    Peace
    Aren't Geddy's parents survivor of the Holocaust?
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    tybird wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    After seeing some of these images and others at Holocaust Mueseum in Wash. DC it reminds me of that Rush song from.....Grace Under Pressure....

    Red Sector A...

    Red Sector A...lyrics

    All that we can do is just survive
    All that we can do to help ourselves is stay alive

    Ragged lines of ragged grey
    Skeletons, they shuffle away
    Shouting guards and smoking guns
    Will cut down the unlucky ones

    I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed
    A wound that will not heal
    A heart that cannot feel
    Hoping that the horror will recede
    Hoping that tomorrow we'll all be freed

    Sickness to insanity
    Prayer to profanity
    Days and weeks and months go by
    Don't feel the hunger
    Too weak to cry

    I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gate
    Are the liberators here?
    Do I hope or do I fear?
    For my father and my brother, it's too late
    But I must help my mother stand up straight

    Are we the last ones left alive?
    Are we the only human beings to survive?


    Peace
    Aren't Geddy's parents survivor of the Holocaust?

    Yes that was the case and here's some other history behind the song....

    Geddy Lee explained the genesis of the song in an interview:

    The seeds for the song were planted nearly 60 years ago in April 1945 when British soldiers liberated the Nazi concentration camp Bergen-Belsen. Lee’s mother, Manya (now Mary) Rubenstein, was among the survivors. (His father, Morris Weinrib, was liberated from the Dachau concentration camp a few weeks later.) The whole album “Grace Under Pressure,” says Lee, who was born Gary Lee Weinrib, “is about being on the brink and having the courage and strength to survive.”

    Though “Red Sector A,” like much of the album from which it comes, is set in a bleak, apocalyptic future, what Lee calls “the psychology” of the song comes directly from a story his mother told him about the day she was liberated.

    “I once asked my mother her first thoughts upon being liberated,” Lee says during a phone conversation. “She didn’t believe [liberation] was possible. She didn’t believe that if there was a society outside the camp how they could allow this to exist, so she believed society was done in.”[1]

    In a 1984 interview Neil Peart describes writing Red Sector A:

    I read a first person account of someone who had survived the whole system of trains and work camps and Bergen-Belsen and all of that (...) through first person accounts from other people who came out at the end of it, always glad to be alive, which again was the essence of grace, grace under pressure is that through all of it, these people never gave up the strong will to survive, through the utmost horror, and total physical privations of all kinds.

    ...I wanted to take a little bit out of being specific and, and just describe the circumstances and try to look at the way people responded to it, and another really important and to me really moving image that I got from a lot of these accounts was that at the end of it, these people of course had been totally isolated from the rest of the world, from their families, from any news at all, and they, in cases that I read, believed that they were the last people surviving.


    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    if there weren't photo's, i would have a hard time immagining it really happened. even with photo's it's hard to fathom.
  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,306
    some of the images have appeared in several WW2 and holocaust books.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    if there weren't photo's, i would have a hard time immagining it really happened. even with photo's it's hard to fathom.
    What's really amazing is the first time you encounter someone with the numbers tattooed on the inside of their wrist....
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    if there weren't photo's, i would have a hard time immagining it really happened. even with photo's it's hard to fathom.


    I encourage you to go see a camp. It fucking changes you.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    They are hard to view...Had a conversation with my mom when I was younger after we watched a documentary on the holocaust...and my mom said "for some reason man hates man", that has always stuck with me and I think that one of the truest statements I've ever heard.

    Unfortunately it exist around us everyday...maybe someday it will change...I'm highly doubtful.
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