Cain does not know recent history & is unfit to lead...
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seriously?? this guy is running for president as a conservative republican and he does not know what "neoconservative philosphy" is??? can he be serious??? he has no clue that under bush our entire foreign policy was based on neocon principles??? i guess he does not know that neocon philosophy is one of the main reasons we are in the situation that we are in with the economy and being bogged down in 2 countries that we had no business attacking...
i also like how he dodged direct questions here...he has no idea what he is talking about. his answers remind me of high school debate where the kid debating is completely unprepared and comes up with some canned response or diverts attention away from the actual question. like billy madison answering the question about "the puppy that lost his way" book...
Herman Cain: 'I'm Not Familiar With The Neoconservative Movement'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/1 ... 13914.html
WASHINGTON -- GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain raised more questions about his knowledge of foreign policy on Sunday, saying he doesn't know anything about the "neoconservative movement," which dominated the eight years of the Bush administration.
On "Meet the Press" Sunday morning, host David Gregory asked Cain who has shaped his views on foreign policy.
"I've looked at the writings of people like Amb. John Bolton," replied Cain. "I've looked at the writings of Dr. Henry Kissinger -- KT McFarland, someone I respect."
Bolton was one of the most hawkish figures of the Bush administration, serving as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. He repeatedly pushed for striking Iran, and in 1994, he famously said, "If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference."
Kisssinger served as Secretary of State and National Security Adviser under Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. McFarland is a national security analyst with Fox News who has served in the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations.
When Gregory then asked Cain whether he was a "neoconservative," the presidential hopeful admitted he had no idea what Gregory was talking about.
"I'm not sure what you mean by neoconservative," said Cain. "I am a conservative, yes. Neoconservative -- labels sometimes will put you in a box. I'm very conservative."
"But you're familiar with the neoconservative movement?" asked Gregory.
"I'm not familiar with the neoconservative movement," admitted Cain. "I'm familiar with the conservative movement. Let me define what I mean by the conservative movement -- less government, less taxes, more individual responsibility."
Neocons gained popularity during the term of President George W. Bush. In his 2004 inaugural address, Bush placed himself squarely within the neocon philosophy, declaring that a key foreign policy purpose of his second term would be to promote democracy "in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world."
The Iraq war was heavily pushed by his neocon advisers, including Richard Perle, Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz.
On Sunday, Cain also said he believes the invasion of Iraq was a good idea.
"I don't think the war in Iraq was a mistake, because there were a lot of other reasons we needed to go to Iraq, and there have been a lot of benefits that have come out of Iraq," he said, although he didn't elaborate on the nature of the benefits.
"Now that being said, I don't agree with the president's approach to draw down 40,000 troops and basically leave that country open to attacks by Iran. Iran has already said that they want to wait until America leaves."
The decision to draw down troops in Iraq was put in place prior to Obama's inauguration by the Bush administration, which signed a Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq saying that all U.S. troops would be out of the country by the end of 2011.
Foreign policy has not been Cain's strong suit, and it seemed that in the beginning of his campaign, he was doing all he could to avoid talking about it. Initially when asked about his plan for Afghanistan, Cain repeatedly said that he would reveal it only if he became president.
"The right approach is: The day I’m elected president, I will start on that plan such that the day I was sworn in, I will be able to implement the plan," Cain said in a vague answer on "Fox News Sunday" in May.
When asked on Sunday how he would define victory in Afghanistan, Cain simply said he would take the advice of the commanders.
"In Afghanistan, victory is: Can we leave Afghanistan in a situation where they can defend themselves? I don't know if that's possible right now," he replied. "Because here again, what do the commanders on the ground say? What does the intelligence community say? A lot of analysis needs to go into determining whether or not there is a definition of victory in Afghanistan."
i also like how he dodged direct questions here...he has no idea what he is talking about. his answers remind me of high school debate where the kid debating is completely unprepared and comes up with some canned response or diverts attention away from the actual question. like billy madison answering the question about "the puppy that lost his way" book...
Herman Cain: 'I'm Not Familiar With The Neoconservative Movement'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/1 ... 13914.html
WASHINGTON -- GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain raised more questions about his knowledge of foreign policy on Sunday, saying he doesn't know anything about the "neoconservative movement," which dominated the eight years of the Bush administration.
On "Meet the Press" Sunday morning, host David Gregory asked Cain who has shaped his views on foreign policy.
"I've looked at the writings of people like Amb. John Bolton," replied Cain. "I've looked at the writings of Dr. Henry Kissinger -- KT McFarland, someone I respect."
Bolton was one of the most hawkish figures of the Bush administration, serving as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. He repeatedly pushed for striking Iran, and in 1994, he famously said, "If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference."
Kisssinger served as Secretary of State and National Security Adviser under Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. McFarland is a national security analyst with Fox News who has served in the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations.
When Gregory then asked Cain whether he was a "neoconservative," the presidential hopeful admitted he had no idea what Gregory was talking about.
"I'm not sure what you mean by neoconservative," said Cain. "I am a conservative, yes. Neoconservative -- labels sometimes will put you in a box. I'm very conservative."
"But you're familiar with the neoconservative movement?" asked Gregory.
"I'm not familiar with the neoconservative movement," admitted Cain. "I'm familiar with the conservative movement. Let me define what I mean by the conservative movement -- less government, less taxes, more individual responsibility."
Neocons gained popularity during the term of President George W. Bush. In his 2004 inaugural address, Bush placed himself squarely within the neocon philosophy, declaring that a key foreign policy purpose of his second term would be to promote democracy "in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world."
The Iraq war was heavily pushed by his neocon advisers, including Richard Perle, Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz.
On Sunday, Cain also said he believes the invasion of Iraq was a good idea.
"I don't think the war in Iraq was a mistake, because there were a lot of other reasons we needed to go to Iraq, and there have been a lot of benefits that have come out of Iraq," he said, although he didn't elaborate on the nature of the benefits.
"Now that being said, I don't agree with the president's approach to draw down 40,000 troops and basically leave that country open to attacks by Iran. Iran has already said that they want to wait until America leaves."
The decision to draw down troops in Iraq was put in place prior to Obama's inauguration by the Bush administration, which signed a Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq saying that all U.S. troops would be out of the country by the end of 2011.
Foreign policy has not been Cain's strong suit, and it seemed that in the beginning of his campaign, he was doing all he could to avoid talking about it. Initially when asked about his plan for Afghanistan, Cain repeatedly said that he would reveal it only if he became president.
"The right approach is: The day I’m elected president, I will start on that plan such that the day I was sworn in, I will be able to implement the plan," Cain said in a vague answer on "Fox News Sunday" in May.
When asked on Sunday how he would define victory in Afghanistan, Cain simply said he would take the advice of the commanders.
"In Afghanistan, victory is: Can we leave Afghanistan in a situation where they can defend themselves? I don't know if that's possible right now," he replied. "Because here again, what do the commanders on the ground say? What does the intelligence community say? A lot of analysis needs to go into determining whether or not there is a definition of victory in Afghanistan."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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This guy is a clown. I respect his accomplishments in life, but I simply do not respect him as a person. I understand that I only know him as a candidate for his party's nomination, but from what I do know--interviews, speeches, debates, articles--I just have no respect for him.
if you agree with these dudes ^^^^^^ YOU ARE A NEOCON!!!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I mean, the fucking guy runs a sizable pizza business right? Are his legal contracts limited to 3 pages? Are his corporate accounting practices limited to 3 pages? My guess it, 'No'... otherwise he leaves himself to all kinds of intrepretations that can lead to lawsuits.
He just plays to moronic people who cannot read and comprehend anything longer than an article in People Magazine.
Hail, Hail!!!
^ Right on,
Fed Reserve puppet, supported the wars, supported the bank bailouts, 999 plan will raise taxes on most middle to low income people... screams neocon to me.
the 999 plan will cut taxes on the rich and raise them on the middle and low income workers..AND it would make us run at an even greater deficit than we already are...
good plan...
:P
funny thing is he is running for president on that platform and that platform has zero chance of passing congress and the senate...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
even if it is your party.
Cain is saying he doesn't walk like them,
knows nothing about it, which may or may not be true,
point is, he's not that.... but he is learning how to be a politician fast
saying
"I'm not familiar with the neoconservative movement," admitted Cain. "I'm familiar with the conservative movement. Let me define what I mean by the conservative movement -- less government, less taxes, more individual responsibility."
This kind of beautifully basic statement attracts people.
There are alot of basic voters out there ... those who can't debate
I think the majority of voters think we are in need of someone to fix this country,
maybe even putting foreign policy on a back burner.
Perhaps wanting a President that is more removed from it,
hoping for more positive action and a business minded approach, here at home.
999 would really need some more reform and compromise but maybe the right track,
wide open to be worked on and improved for the lower and middle class brackets.
So far, from the candidates, he looks the best chance the Republicans have to defeat Obama
that's been my opinion from the start
but I still think Obama will be a 2 term President.
The economy is improving in our little world...
we hired a new worker this year and will add at least another next year if it continues like this.
Careful baby steps so as not to take a fall.
Our customers are busy busy busy ... keeping us so too...knock wood.
you can not be for small govrnment and less taxes AND pro imperialism and pro american empire. it is mathematically impossible...who the hell is going to pay for that?
all cain is is a bunch of catch phrases and soundbytes. he does not even know he is a neocon.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I am shocked by this Gimmie, I thought for sure you would support Cain
Not a fan, he will not get my vote. The part in Bold above generally explains why. Seems to have his head in the sand regarding the wars.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Hail, Hail!!!
The uninformed electorate? Those who only vote or think a certain way because of a letter next to a politician's name? This can't happen in the good ole USA; you sir, are no patriot. It can't happen, right?
p.s. new research done by the Whygohome Institute: avg. amount of time people spend thinking about who to vote into office, and amount of time spent educating themselves on the issues: 17 seconds. Avg. amount of time people spend studying and voting on the best celebrity dancer, or the second coming of Kelly Clarkson: 4 hours.
People think of Sports, when they vote. The Ds are out to crush the Rs and vice-versa. I wouldn't be surprised if people started face-painting themselves Red or Blue on election day.
People think it is easy to 'Fix' government. They have no idea about what the government is, how the government works or even why the government is there... yet, by voting for their guy... he is going to fix it. Simply, too. All we need to do is get all of the Rs (or Ds) in all of the seats... and our team wins. Government... fixed.
Hail, Hail!!!
well if paying more attention to politics means I cannot get anymore films like From Justin to Kelly...well then that is a world I don't want to live in anyway...you can have it
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
there will be more Independents born out of sheer disappointment
and people may actually pay attention to a candidate's platform
instead of the party they are from
but the contradiction to that is
it's said it is a wasted vote not to vote by a party... poor voter
the government can be as ineffective as it wants and in constant battle
to remain so... hidden by the other teams faults
they only have to be as good as the other team isn't
and have a turn at bat every 4 to 8 years ... blaming the previous batter
and the voter supports what they think is the lesser of two evils
not demanding accountability from either team
Which is why America is divided... because we think politics is like sports.
The best way to have a better America is to have an informed electorate elect non-partisan representatives into office who place all of Americans best interests ahead of political party interests/agendas. If the electorate is dumb... we get politicians that play to a dumb electorate.
We get the 12% approval rated government we deserve because of our mis-informed electorate who have no clue about politics... but, fully understands football.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I completely agree. It is pretty easy to lead stupid people to any place you want them to go.
And look at all of the examples we've seen recently... really crazy shit that people decide to believe, not by applying logic to facts, but going with gut instincts. Gut instincts are easy... they require no thought.
Just as sports is easy... politicking is hard (make head hurt).
Hail, Hail!!!
I actually laughed out loud in the middle of the library. Laughter is good, but this type of laughter masks an intense sadness because what Cosmo and gimme have stated is unfortunately true.
Where did we go wrong?
nixon
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I mean really he brings Fruit into this :shock: :shock: The GOP brass must be saying to themselves , this is the best we have to bring to the big dance :?: ...
Horrifying.