***Petition for 10c to re-stock PJ20 Blu Ray***

benjs

dirtybob wrote:

benjs wrote:

dirtybob wrote:

Wow man, that devolved pretty quickly. I think maybe most of you guys that really flew off the handle with "high horses" and obscenities likely didn't read my original post, nor try to understand the point I was trying to make. I was not trying to instigate an argument on copyright reform, or give anyone a "tongue lashing". I was not judging anyone on what they do (although lots of short tempered d-bags were quick to judge me for speaking my mind... Fuck off indeed).

The only point I was trying to make was that if someone is going to download content illegally, just do it and accept that you did it. Don't try and make it seem like the band forced you to do it, and you're somehow a victim. That was my point.

I've illegally downloaded a ton of stuff over the last 15 or so years. I've done it for my own reasons, and I accept it. I don't try and say I was forced into it by some other party's unjust behavior.

Do you honestly not grasp how simple a point it is I'm trying to make? Don't blame others for your actions. Why does that put so many on the defensive?

db

db,

At first glance, I think it would be easy to mistake the tone of your posts as judgmental, so thank you for clarifying with this post.

I encourage anyone to look at this comic strip - http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones. My point is, if there is demand for a product, and its supplier does not give the customer an easy (or in this case, ANY) means of obtaining said product, and furthermore ignores requests about its eventual availability, who is really in the wrong if the collective 'Pearl Jam fan' seeks other channels to obtain the content?

What amazes me, really, is the pure dedication of some in this community. Call it naive or commendable - I don't care which - but the fact that people here are emailing the organization, asking when they might be given the opportunity to hand their money over to 10C in exchange for a product currently out-of-print and available all over the place online free of charge - is a pretty wild phenomena. How many businesses would beg for this relationship with their customers?

We are in complete agreement here. I also shared that Oatmeal strip with friends and colleagues; it sums up the situation perfectly. My observation here is that as consumers we are not "owed" access to this content, we have merely decided that we "want" access to it.

I agree that it is foolish of the content owners to leave so much money on the table. Given how easy digital distribution is these days, it is a mystery as to why they do not take advantage of it. Look at Louis CK's recent adventure with his Live at the Beacon release. He made it easy and cheap, and the crowds responded.

And again, your final remark was what I was referring to when I said my respect goes out to those still waiting and working for LE PJ20. It would be so easy to just download it and not look back, but they don't. I respect that greatly. Stronger than I would be. They can hold their heads high. Ergo, dignity. Myself, I too often give in to instant gratification, but I accept that. I'm ok with it. No one's fault but mine.

And benjis, thanks for the reply.

db

Glad you brought up the Louis CK Live at the Beacon release (which was such a beautiful premise that I absolutely had to buy, and am now a Louis CK fan). How easy it would be, I was thinking, for Ten Club to offer standard-definition downloads for the two bonus discs for a reasonable sum online. Since the regular version was $15-20 in stores, how about offering it through their site exclusively for $25 for the three discs in digital only versions? The FLAC bootlegs approach 1.5GB in size, so it is not such a stretch to suggest, I don't think.

dirtybob (and other posters in this thread), this has been a pleasure. It's refreshing to have a civil and informed conversation around here where people valid arguments with good points, and no one feels the need to e-scream at each other.

aus_suz

benjs wrote:

Spags wrote:

Poor Cameron Crowe, will nobody think of Cameron Crowe?

If Cameron Crowe were thinking of his fans, he would not have released that Blu-Ray in the state it was in to start. Worst Blu-Ray transfer I've seen yet; amateur-ish at best.

But u must think that the quality of the material was probably pretty crap to start with long time before
digital and HD video..especially the early band stuff

aus_suz

Bump..

benjs

aus_suz wrote:

benjs wrote:

Spags wrote:

Poor Cameron Crowe, will nobody think of Cameron Crowe?

If Cameron Crowe were thinking of his fans, he would not have released that Blu-Ray in the state it was in to start. Worst Blu-Ray transfer I've seen yet; amateur-ish at best.

But u must think that the quality of the material was probably pretty crap to start with long time before
digital and HD video..especially the early band stuff

I'm more than willing to forgive poor source material from the beginning of the band's career. I understand 'film noise' and such being a by-product of lesser quality cameras. That being said, the poor quality I am referring to is the pixelation prevalent in most scenes in the film, which (please correct me if I'm wrong) appears when a poor-quality film-to-disc transfer is done.

dimitrispearljam

kellanazzie

benjs wrote:

dirtybob (and other posters in this thread), this has been a pleasure. It's refreshing to have a civil and informed conversation around here where people valid arguments with good points, and no one feels the need to e-scream at each other.

Thanks for the great read with my morning coffee everyone, well done indeed!! Its so hard to not want everything from these guys. Most especially something made specifically with the fans in mind. Personally, I get alot of ribbing from a certain friend of mine about buying my music from I-tunes & not getting it 'free.' But with that said, I can't honestly say I don't own anything that is 'out there' if you look hard enough. A conundrum for sure. No other band on the planet offers fans more than PJ, but then, no other band has more to offer. Supporting these guys is a testimonial to how much dedication we have to them, as told by the amount of shelf-space/wall space dedicated to my stuff. No matter how many packages arrive at my door, I still get excited.
With that said, I'm sure they must be just as frustrated. I can't imagine how busy they must be. Touring together, alone, with their other projects, rehearsal time, new material, new album(hopefully soon), not to mention they all have lives. But, they could release something every day & we would want. There is an aweful lot of money going out fan-wise as well. Tickets for Europe, EV, 4 posters in under 2 weeks etc, not to mention all of us working on personal holy grails as well. What about Vault 1? Alpine? For every decision they make, a hundred things must be involved. I shall remain optimistic, try to be patient & have a firm belief that these guys know what they are doing, eternal optimist that I am
Oh, & this...

benjs wrote:

I encourage anyone to look at this comic strip - http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones.

(Moar testicals )

fcbittenca

This is what I think is so great about being a PJ fan.

We are actually discussing copyrights... If this was a ... I don't know... Celine Dion forum (if that exists) people would just download the freaking thing and nobody would touch this subject. At least I guess that would be the case.

I am pretty sure all PJ members traded stuff and taped stuff when they were just ordinary teenagers. I POSITIVE they did it at least once in their lives. Some Kiss albums, The Who stuff. I am positive they did it. Of course since they were not in the internet age, we don't know how they would have behaved...

I don't have a reason to why I don't download stuff. Maybe because it is too impersonal maybe... That's the reason I asked for a fellow 10C fan to "tape" it for me. So now I have the 3 discs that were copied from a friend... just like most people would do in 70's, 80's and 90's.

Meu USD70 is still here waiting for the Blu Ray copy. If it is a crappy job on a transfer I will decide that myself. I have read poor reviews on what material that I think is OK. How on EARTH you want footage from a VHS-C tape of the 90's... that was probably stored in a box in a garage for 20 years to look good and Hi-Def. This is just plain stupid to request that. On the today material... it is just the band talking. What do you want? Inception like footage? Please.

Please reissue the damn thing... or come out and say you won't do it... like ever.

benjs

fcbittenca wrote:

This is what I think is so great about being a PJ fan.

We are actually discussing copyrights... If this was a ... I don't know... Celine Dion forum (if that exists) people would just download the freaking thing and nobody would touch this subject. At least I guess that would be the case.

I am pretty sure all PJ members traded stuff and taped stuff when they were just ordinary teenagers. I POSITIVE they did it at least once in their lives. Some Kiss albums, The Who stuff. I am positive they did it. Of course since they were not in the internet age, we don't know how they would have behaved...

I don't have a reason to why I don't download stuff. Maybe because it is too impersonal maybe... That's the reason I asked for a fellow 10C fan to "tape" it for me. So now I have the 3 discs that were copied from a friend... just like most people would do in 70's, 80's and 90's.

Meu USD70 is still here waiting for the Blu Ray copy. If it is a crappy job on a transfer I will decide that myself. I have read poor reviews on what material that I think is OK. How on EARTH you want footage from a VHS-C tape of the 90's... that was probably stored in a box in a garage for 20 years to look good and Hi-Def. This is just plain stupid to request that. On the today material... it is just the band talking. What do you want? Inception like footage? Please.

Please reissue the damn thing... or come out and say you won't do it... like ever.

I wish my computer were Blu-Ray compatible so that I could give you specific examples of the poor transfer. Content like the NYC show from last year, a clearly professionally filmed video of Thumbing My Way, and footage from the Italian tour in '06 are notoriously bad - think YouTube standard definition footage stretched out on a large screen, complete with blocks of pixelated clusters, etc.

aus_suz

bump....

aus_suz

Bump....

dimitrispearljam

aus_suz wrote:

Bump....

skanji32

Good discussion last week...

All this thread really is about is doing the right thing. Haven't purchased or downloaded the pj20 bluray and trying to do things the *right* way by waiting...

C'mon 10c...C'mon Cameron...do the right thing....

RedMosquito22

skanji32 wrote:

Good discussion last week...

All this thread really is about is doing the right thing. Haven't purchased or downloaded the pj20 bluray and trying to do things the *right* way by waiting...

C'mon 10c...C'mon Cameron...do the right thing....

Certainly would be nice, but I certainly don't expect it to happen.

aus_suz

Still wishing...

dimitrispearljam

aus_suz wrote:

Still wishing...

aus_suz

Nearly bought one of :twisted: bay the other day ....

Waiting..................

tribejammer05

Have they not put more up for sale yet?

Bump

PSUS2H

I'd buy one !! :-D

aus_suz

tribejammer05 wrote:

Have they not put more up for sale yet?

Bump

Nope but waiting .......watching the clock.....

Deano

Do it, do it, do it..........pur-lease