dissent should be embraced
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with all the shits that's wrong with the US, who the fuck are we to judge when a group steps up to fix it?
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-Howard Zinn
"No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots."
-Barbara Ehrenreich
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Right on.
I don't understand how people can correlate the tea party with the OWS protesters. The Tea Party originally were Libertarians wanting gov't out of their business, only to be adopted by Republicans. OWS is about gov't and Wall St. owning up to their own corrupt corporatism and is a movement of taking our country back from the top 1%. There's not much correlation there!
Part of the government "owning up" would be to get the fuck out of the favor doing business. That is very similar to people wanting the government out of the private sectors way...they are very similar...the only thing that drives them apart is the constant energy people spend making sure everyone knows the differences rather than the similarities. Basically one side blames the government for crony capitalism, one side blames corporations and the top 1% for getting the benefits from the government. It is kind of a chicken egg thing...ultimately the 1% wouldn't have a stranglehold on the economy if the government didn't set up laws to keep it that way...but the government maybe wouldn't have laws set up that way without pressure from the 1%...so why not break them up...vote for people not part of the establishment...vote for people who will stand on principle, vote for people who won't be influenced by special interests...whom who does that sound like...
If any of the Occupiers support Obama in the next election than their movement means nothing.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
A major reason why libertarians became so energized at the end of the Bush administration had to do with TARP and all of the bailouts-- which IS government getting involved in our business by taking our money and giving it to bailout a corrupt banking system. There is much common ground between the original Tea Party and the current (and probably soon to be similarly co-opted) Occupy movement, and that is exactly it. If the Occupiers are all about stopping corporate greed, surely the best place for them to start would be to stop the gravy train from the government to these mega banks.
If the people of this country would focus on stopping the merger of big business and the government, big business will look less like Wall Street in its current incarnation, and more like Apple. Sure, they're not 100% saints over at Apple either, I'm sure. But no one has ever been able to force me to buy their product or service, even when I do not use it directly. I cannot say the same for GM, Chevy, Raytheon, Halliburton, KBR, Monsanto, AIG, Goldman Sachs, etc...
Dude, there is no such thing as a politician that's not affiliated with the establishment, as well as not being paid by special interests or has the people's interest FIRST. It's an oxymoron. ALL politicians are in it for the money, and lifetime pension.
Then don't vote for a politician
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I don't think their cause is necessarily misguided, but their method certainly is. Why aren't they protesting the White House or the Capital? Wall Street isn't passing any laws or writing legislation.
They should be outside The Fed in all 13 major locations throughout the country.
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I think they are pretty similar.
The OWS group originally were people that wanted the government and Wall Street owning up....only to be adopted by Unions and Democrats.
They are very similar in the fact that in their pure form they are their best. But neither will really help because they will be taken over by the machine and used for political gain.
Abraham Lincoln
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
Abraham Lincoln
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
Thomas Jefferson
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
Thomas Jefferson
I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.
Thomas Jefferson
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Perfectly stated.
Any thoughts?
token?
That is the problem with the criticism of the tea party and the occupy movement...they take a small action of a couple of people extrapolate that out to be what the movement is about. The occupy movement isn't about dirty hippies, and the tea party isn't about racism.
But it is easier than actually finding out they agree on something.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I think it's good that both groups raising their voices to the national stage. I just hope that the Occupy Wall Street group realizes that raising taxes actually gives more power to what they despise.
:? I'll vote for Kermit the frog then... WTF??
"It's not easy being green".
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You are funny! I see you used the word black! You are a racist for even thinking that!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!