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Foreign dictatorships show support Wall Street protests

aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
edited October 2011 in A Moving Train
This is not good. Violence is inevitable. :(
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/foreign-dictatorships-show-support-for-wall-street-protests
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    :yawn:
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    aerial wrote:
    This is not good. Violence is inevitable. :(
    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/foreign-dictatorships-show-support-for-wall-street-protests


    Oh whatever. That's just a couple of dictators spewing a bunch of bullshit.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Venezuela isn't a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't hold free and open elections every six years.
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Venezuela isn't a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't hold free and open elections every six years.


    Technically not but we'll see.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    foreign governments always speak in support of protests. this is nothing new.

    for some reason i can't remember any that spoke in favor of the tea party protests though...

    how many times has the us expressed support for protest movements in other countries? we did it at least 4 times this past summer....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    foreign governments always speak in support of protests. this is nothing new.

    for some reason i can't remember any that spoke in favor of the tea party protests though...

    how many times has the us expressed support for protest movements in other countries? we did it at least 4 times this past summer....


    I agree. But, the put down of the tea party was completely pointless... As much as I hate it.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    foreign governments always speak in support of protests. this is nothing new.

    for some reason i can't remember any that spoke in favor of the tea party protests though...

    how many times has the us expressed support for protest movements in other countries? we did it at least 4 times this past summer....


    I agree. But, the put down of the tea party was completely pointless... As much as I hate it.
    it wasn't a put down. it was a fact that i can not remember a single foreign leader speaking out in support of it...

    can you name one?

    i can't...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    foreign governments always speak in support of protests. this is nothing new.

    for some reason i can't remember any that spoke in favor of the tea party protests though...

    how many times has the us expressed support for protest movements in other countries? we did it at least 4 times this past summer....


    I agree. But, the put down of the tea party was completely pointless... As much as I hate it.
    it wasn't a put down. it was a fact that i can not remember a single foreign leader speaking out in support of it...

    can you name one?

    i can't...

    No of course I can't. What country would support it? It just makes us look bad is all.
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Venezuela isn't a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't hold free and open elections every six years.

    LOL here we go again...


    Cuba has elections too and that doesn't mean crap...
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited October 2011
    arq wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Venezuela isn't a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't hold free and open elections every six years.

    LOL here we go again...


    Cuba has elections too and that doesn't mean crap...

    Yeah, I know some Venezuelans didn't do too well from Chavez's rise to power, but most Venezuelans did.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Good... Maybe Gaddaffi will pop up there. Then, the protestors can say, 'Hey, Libyans!!! There's Gaddaffi!!!'.
    ...
    He's still out on the lam, right?
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Byrnzie wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Venezuela isn't a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't hold free and open elections every six years.

    LOL here we go again...


    Cuba has elections too and that doesn't mean crap...

    Yeah, I know some Venezuelans didn't do too well from Chavez's rise to power, but most Venezuelans did.

    So? Changing the topic?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    So? Changing the topic?

    Changing the topic? We were talking about Venezuela. How did I change the topic? By not talking about Cuba?

    Venezuela has free and open elections every six years. So how does that constitute a dictatorship?
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Byrnzie wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    So? Changing the topic?

    Changing the topic? We were talking about Venezuela. How did I change the topic? By not talking about Cuba?

    Venezuela has free and open elections every six years. So how does that constitute a dictatorship?


    It doesn't TECHNICALLY. But you changed it to talking about the people of Venezuela, how they are prospering. The country is doing just fine I'm sure thanks to all of the oil they have. He looks like a real saint.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871833695184867.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ja ... des-afiuni

    Jailing innocent people without even a trial. Changing the Constitution. Not allowing any kind of protest against him.

    I'm done. I have some Sociology to read.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    It doesn't TECHNICALLY. But you changed it to talking about the people of Venezuela, how they are prospering. The country is doing just fine I'm sure thanks to all of the oil they have. He looks like a real saint.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871833695184867.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ja ... des-afiuni

    Jailing innocent people without even a trial. Changing the Constitution. Not allowing any kind of protest against him.

    I'm done. I have some Sociology to read.

    So he changed the constitution. He changed it so that the same person can be re-elected indefinitely, as opposed to just two terms. So what?

    As for imprisoning people without trial, maybe you've forgotten about a place called Guantanamo Bay? Does that make the U.S a dictatorship?
  • blueandwhiteblueandwhite Posts: 662
    How does the opinion of Hugo Chavez make the protests less legitimate? I don't care if a Venezuela is a dictatorship or not. The fact that Chavez has thrown support behind these protests doesn't add or take away legitimacy from the act itself. This thread is such an obvious straw man argument that it comes across as little more than a joke.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    blueandwhite wrote:
    How does the opinion of Hugo Chavez make the protests less legitimate? I don't care if a Venezuela is a dictatorship or not. The fact that Chavez has thrown support behind these protests doesn't add or take away legitimacy from the act itself. This thread is such an obvious straw man argument that it comes across as little more than a joke.
    they are trying to demonize the protestors by linking chavez to the movement. nothing more.

    the irony is the people that are denouncing the movement because chavez said he agreed with it are the same people who agreed with the tea party movement.

    i think any rational person can separate the point of the movement from chavez's remarks.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    I love how people will opposed everything possible about a person, until they say one thing they agree with.

    The right slams Chavez every chance they get, but now we should listen to him on this issue :)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,432
    Ultimately, the acceptance or rejection of OWS by foreign countries makes no differnce to me. I'm for it either way.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Is Venezuela an ally?

    If not, then of course a country who's not friends with the US would be happy to see dissent within the country.
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2011
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Is Venezuela an ally?

    If not, then of course a country who's not friends with the US would be happy to see dissent within the country.

    I did not see any support from them when the Tea Party first busted out. Then again no one ever expected them to support freedom. They support the opposite.
    You people that want to redistribute the wealth...How will you have them spread I around? Were will the extra money go, do you really know?
    I agree with some of your ideas but I cannot agree with taking Personal property from people.
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    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    Byrnzie wrote:

    So he changed the constitution. He changed it so that the same person can be re-elected indefinitely, as opposed to just two terms. So what?


    Yeah, why would that ever be a problem. :lol:
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,432
    aerial wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Is Venezuela an ally?

    If not, then of course a country who's not friends with the US would be happy to see dissent within the country.

    I did not see any support from them when the Tea Party first busted out. Then again no one ever expected them to support freedom. They support the opposite.
    You people that want to redistribute the wealth...How will you have them spread I around? Were will the extra money go, do you really know?
    I agree with some of your ideas but I cannot agree with taking Personal property from people.

    Are you kidding? I want Bill Gates' underwater music system- I've never heard any like that! :lol:

    No seriously- the rich will always have their toys- no one's going to take them away. But the super rich have more many than they can spend. Some of them are very generous and have done good things with their money- and I think we should remember this. But the system is set up such that most of them continue to grow in wealth while the rest of us find it harder to get by and more and more fall below the poverty line. A system like that is eventually going to fail. You would think that they would recognize this... but I don't know- the Greeks didn't. The Romans didn't. Meanwhile, the general populous grows restless. I think things will get worse before they get better. This is a good time to learn to live with less, grow food, learn a skill besides (or at least as well as) pecking at a computer. Speaking of... back to my working "vacation"... ( :? :lol: )
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    So he changed the constitution. He changed it so that the same person can be re-elected indefinitely, as opposed to just two terms. So what?


    Yeah, why would that ever be a problem. :lol:

    I don't know. You tell me. If the people choose to vote for him as their President then why would is that a problem for you?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    Byrnzie wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    So he changed the constitution. He changed it so that the same person can be re-elected indefinitely, as opposed to just two terms. So what?


    Yeah, why would that ever be a problem. :lol:

    I don't know. You tell me. If the people choose to vote for him as their President then why would is that a problem for you?


    By itself not a big deal. But it sets up a system where the people in power can retain power all the time not just by doing a good job. It creates an environment where, if they are able to manipulate the system, they can effectively create their own dictatorship under the rouse of a democracy.

    I'm surprised you don't see this as a problem. IN the American system we have a problem where only certain people ever really get to run for office, which keeps the power within a small group most of the time. This is certainly a problem, but a far cry from a dictatorship hidden by false elections.
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  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    cincybearcat wrote:
    By itself not a big deal. But it sets up a system where the people in power can retain power all the time not just by doing a good job. It creates an environment where, if they are able to manipulate the system, they can effectively create their own dictatorship under the rouse of a democracy.

    I'm surprised you don't see this as a problem. IN the American system we have a problem where only certain people ever really get to run for office, which keeps the power within a small group most of the time. This is certainly a problem, but a far cry from a dictatorship hidden by false elections.

    Great post! Also people from the outside sometimes support things they don't have a clue about it, just because it called "grape" koolaid it doesn't means it has a single droop of real grape juice... Just saying :P
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    Byrnzie wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    So he changed the constitution. He changed it so that the same person can be re-elected indefinitely, as opposed to just two terms. So what?


    Yeah, why would that ever be a problem. :lol:

    I don't know. You tell me. If the people choose to vote for him as their President then why would is that a problem for you?


    Well, I told you, care to reply?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cincybearcat wrote:
    By itself not a big deal. But it sets up a system where the people in power can retain power all the time not just by doing a good job. It creates an environment where, if they are able to manipulate the system, they can effectively create their own dictatorship under the rouse of a democracy.

    I'm surprised you don't see this as a problem. IN the American system we have a problem where only certain people ever really get to run for office, which keeps the power within a small group most of the time. This is certainly a problem, but a far cry from a dictatorship hidden by false elections.

    This implies that the Venezuelan government manipulates the system and is a dictatorship, but I'm still waiting to see any actual evidence of this as opposed to just opinions.
    As for any comparison with the U.S, the U.S system allows you to choose from two different parties every four years - let's not pretend that any third party has a chance in hell of getting elected. The system is manipulated by the corporations with their campaign funding e.t.c. It's basically a big business dictatorship.
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