Third question for my awesome Pearl Jam project

SurreyBassistSurreyBassist Posts: 5
edited October 2008 in The Porch
Hello all

The responses for the last two questions have been awesome. My third question will be on the battle with Ticketmaster

Do you think that PJ's fight with TM helped remove them from the limelight that many of the Seattle bands were experiencing at the time? As a result do you think this helped their career in the long run due to playing smaller venues and taking pressure off Vedder as the "voice of a generation"?

Weird question I know but I need to start thinking about the structure for the essay.

Any help would be awesome

Simon
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  • JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    Hello all

    The responses for the last two questions have been awesome. My third question will be on the battle with Ticketmaster

    Do you think that PJ's fight with TM helped remove them from the limelight that many of the Seattle bands were experiencing at the time? As a result do you think this helped their career in the long run due to playing smaller venues and taking pressure off Vedder as the "voice of a generation"?

    Weird question I know but I need to start thinking about the structure for the essay.

    Any help would be awesome

    Simon

    Yes to all of those questions. First of all, the result of the fight with TM forced them to become somewhat blacklisted in the music world, so that they couldn't play those larger venues considering TM's monopoly on them. By doing this, the pressure was off the band to be what the media wanted them to be, and they could simply make the music they wanted. And I bet they enjoyed playing smaller venues and getting to have a slightly more intimate environment with the audience. Ed mentioned that they loved the Borgata in 05, and how different it was from just a few nights earlier when they opened for the Stones in Pittsburgh, and said that the first row there was like 50 rows back at the Borgata.

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  • Hello all

    The responses for the last two questions have been awesome. My third question will be on the battle with Ticketmaster

    Do you think that PJ's fight with TM helped remove them from the limelight that many of the Seattle bands were experiencing at the time? As a result do you think this helped their career in the long run due to playing smaller venues and taking pressure off Vedder as the "voice of a generation"?

    Weird question I know but I need to start thinking about the structure for the essay.

    Any help would be awesome

    Simon


    Nope!

    Ticketmaster was the result of Pearl Jam's already begun withdrawl from all the bullshit. The second they found out TM had upped the fees a buck when Pearl Jam was donating a dollar to charity, it was a no brainer for a band that was taking on the whole fuckin world. Vs was the second album title for a reason, they were telling the world, were not gonna just shut up and sing. In the case of Ticketmaster they were not gonna just bend over like all other artists. They might have lost, but they were right, and to me thats all that matters. Please do not give Ticketmaster credit for where Pearl Jam is now, Pearl Jam was already pulling back and TM was just one of the many things they were saying no to. I'm damn proud of my favorite band for doing it!
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,117
    I wish I were older so that I could say this and be able to back myself up, but part of me believes that Pearl Jam likely were actually feeding their success by feeding the grunge stereotype of "fighting the man".
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  • benjs wrote:
    I wish I were older so that I could say this and be able to back myself up, but part of me believes that Pearl Jam likely were actually feeding their success by feeding the grunge stereotype of "fighting the man".




    1 of the top 3 dumbest things i've ever read. yep your right, it was a stereotype not to make music video's. oh wait, they were the only one to stop making them. it was a stereotype to not do interviews, oh wait they were the only one to stop doing them. it was a stereotype to boycott major venues and tour in the desert, oh wait...........


    think next time.
  • Hello all

    The responses for the last two questions have been awesome. My third question will be on the battle with Ticketmaster

    Do you think that PJ's fight with TM helped remove them from the limelight that many of the Seattle bands were experiencing at the time? As a result do you think this helped their career in the long run due to playing smaller venues and taking pressure off Vedder as the "voice of a generation"?

    Weird question I know but I need to start thinking about the structure for the essay.

    Any help would be awesome

    Simon


    I would definitely agree that their fight with ticketmaster removed them from the masses but at the same time I think that it showed to the true fans that they were not in this for the money, that they cared about the people that listened to their music. So as a result it may have taken the pressure off Vedder to be a voice for everyone but it allowed vedder to speak to the people that were actually listening to what he was saying. They still had tons of fans they just stopped gaining more of the people who jumped on the grunge band wagon because it was the cool thing to do. I don't know a lot about any of the venues they played while they fought with ticketmaster but I do know that Randalls Island is a huge place and they played there twice in 96, so I think that shows that they still had their loyal following.

    I hope my opinion helps a little.
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