2025-2026 NHL Offseason

lukin2006

keeponrockin wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Gary Carter wrote:

wow that's really bad for the fans of the Oilers. i hope bettman doesn't let the Oilers move to Seattle. if any team should move to Seattle, it's the coyotes.

That guy that owns the team has more than enough money to build his stadium...I also think he is from Edmonton. Truthfully I think these wealthy business men who own sports franchises can put up their own $$$ for a stadium...I say let them move to Seattle and eventually be another Coyotes.

If Seattle embraces hockey the same way they did MLS soccer, they'll be wildly successful.

How much is admission for MLS? probably a big difference between the NHL and MLS...if he wants to move the team let him...but these owners that move franchise's should automatically be left out of any revenue sharing permanently. This guy can afford to build his own arena...its just another example of corporate welfare...

MayDay10

lukin2006 wrote:

How much is admission for MLS? probably a big difference between the NHL and MLS...quote]
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0F004 ... fcsounders

It looks like $34 to $111. Not shabby.

Seattle is a good sports town IMO and would support a team well. Hockey fits in well with the Pacific NW culture. There is a lot of money in Seattle and very navicable. The new arena will be the 'in thing to do' and there should be a nice honeymoon period.

With that said, I hope no NHL team moves there. I almost had my team move and even coming close sucked major dong. Worrying about the Bills moving also sucks and it is going to be crushing when it happens.

MayDay10

apparently, players are in a conference call, and the meeting has been pushed back to 2:30 (EST).
There is some sort of proposal coming from the NHLPA.

Bathgate66

MayDay10 wrote:

apparently, players are in a conference call, and the meeting has been pushed back to 2:30 (EST).
There is some sort of proposal coming from the NHLPA.

fingers crossed

:thumbup:

polaris_x

MayDay10 wrote:

apparently, players are in a conference call, and the meeting has been pushed back to 2:30 (EST).
There is some sort of proposal coming from the NHLPA.

i suspect it will be a scaled version of the revenue split to offset this "make whole" provision

MayDay10

that was one report I saw.

Another one from MacKenzie I think said he expects "fugly" to be trending later

someone says it is closely based on the NHL proposal

And someone else said its a bit different

who know. We'll see.

lukin2006

MayDay10 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

How much is admission for MLS? probably a big difference between the NHL and MLS...quote]
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0F004 ... fcsounders

It looks like $34 to $111. Not shabby.

Seattle is a good sports town IMO and would support a team well. Hockey fits in well with the Pacific NW culture. There is a lot of money in Seattle and very navicable. The new arena will be the 'in thing to do' and there should be a nice honeymoon period.

With that said, I hope no NHL team moves there. I almost had my team move and even coming close sucked major dong. Worrying about the Bills moving also sucks and it is going to be crushing when it happens.

I agree...I hope no team moves there...I also hope Edmonton keeps its team...but if the owner doesn't even show up at a council meeting to work with city council you have to wonder if he's already made up his mind.

For once I'd love the NHL to stand up for the fans of a city and tell him he's not moving it...they have a shorter history than many teams but 5 cups in franchise history and I suspect more on the way with such a good young nucleus.

Drowned Out

lukin2006 wrote:

I agree...I hope no team moves there...I also hope Edmonton keeps its team...but if the owner doesn't even show up at a council meeting to work with city council you have to wonder if he's already made up his mind.

For once I'd love the NHL to stand up for the fans of a city and tell him he's not moving it...they have a shorter history than many teams but 5 cups in franchise history and I suspect more on the way with such a good young nucleus.

That's the 'personal reason' I have for not following the arena debate closely....I have a set of arena prints and specs sitting about 10 feet from me right now....this project could be a huge contract for the company I work for....but I agree - these arenas should be mostly, if not ALL private dollar ventures....the studies I read when it was first being discussed suggested that they do NOT make money, neither for the owner, nor the city - and that most of the numbers used to push these project are fudged. So I agree - corporate welfare. Not a popular opinion in Edmonton, esp in a company set to benefit from it....so I've kinda been avoiding the whole thing to keep from running my mouth about it at work.

MayDay10 wrote:

Thats not a bad read...

But I dont think the NHL will allow the Oilers to move, even temporarily. They wont want bad press for at least a few years

I dunno man...hopefully the board would be opposed...but I don't trust Bettman and his influence.... I can see him thinking cost/benefit....cost - a little bad PR, mostly in one small market, to be blamed on Edm's city council... benefit - a huge splash in a big new US market within a couple years of moving....He could then move a troubled team to Edmonton and everyone's 'happy'....except Oiler fans lose the amazing stable of young talent it has suffered thru years of suck to put together.
Yes, Katz is from Edmonton...4th richest person in Canada. He is def ruining his public image in the city. Who knows if he cares about that tho....No one really saw it coming that the city will continue without him....that takes some of his power. There are also rumours that other local buyers are interested if he tries to sell....so if the city builds the building (avoiding being the scapegoat)....and, say, Bill Comrie (owner of the Brick furniture/electronics chain) steps up to buy....THEN the league faces a PR nightmare in moving the team....still, if it's mostly local, slightly national backlash (lets face it - not many Americans would care)...it might still be attractive to the NHL to move our stars to a big market.
Probably not worth worrying about....most people seem to think it will get worked out eventually and the NHL won't let them move....but right now I'm pissed at Katz for trying to strongarm council.
Fuckin billionaires crying for tax dollars and concessions from the players is really starting to annoy me. If it turns out the city builds the arena and the NHL won't let the team leave, I hope Katz gets charged up the ass for rent.

MayDay10

the NHLPA provided 3 proposals to the NHL. Meeting is over.

MayDay10

Bettman called the 3 proposals a step backward.

xavier mcdaniel

Until there's a game on the ice, this sport is dead to me and for the record I'm with the players in this.

MayDay10

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

for the record I'm with the players in this.

not me, really. NBA is 50/50, NFL virtually is. The players wont get near there.

We will see how it shakes out, but Bettman claims salaries would have gone up in year 1.

lukin2006

MayDay10 wrote:

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

for the record I'm with the players in this.

not me, really. NBA is 50/50, NFL virtually is. The players wont get near there.

We will see how it shakes out, but Bettman claims salaries would have gone up in year 1.

I'm with neither really...it's spoiled millionaires fighting billionaires and its the owners league. Now I would feel differently if the players offered to do away with guaranteed contracts...

xavier mcdaniel

lukin2006 wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

for the record I'm with the players in this.

not me, really. NBA is 50/50, NFL virtually is. The players wont get near there.

We will see how it shakes out, but Bettman claims salaries would have gone up in year 1.

I'm with neither really...it's spoiled millionaires fighting billionaires and its the owners league. Now I would feel differently if the players offered to do away with guaranteed contracts...

This situation is created by things like giving out 15-year contracts. It's laughable to hear the owner of the Wild pleading poverty and cost certainty when he does things like giving Zach Parise a 13-year deal.

lukin2006

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/hoc ... story.html


Bettman 'disappointed' with NHLPA offer

polaris_x

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

This situation is created by things like giving out 15-year contracts. It's laughable to hear the owner of the Wild pleading poverty and cost certainty when he does things like giving Zach Parise a 13-year deal.

exactly ...

the thing is - although the NHL deal says 50/50 ... it's not really 50/50 based on there other provisions such as the "make whole" clause ... they are saying it would actually drop that share ...

if i was a player ... i would be like ... ok - so, we go 50/50 ... then what happens in 7 years ... we have to go 43/57? ... owners are always taking but offer nothing in return ...

lukin2006

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

not me, really. NBA is 50/50, NFL virtually is. The players wont get near there.

We will see how it shakes out, but Bettman claims salaries would have gone up in year 1.

I'm with neither really...it's spoiled millionaires fighting billionaires and its the owners league. Now I would feel differently if the players offered to do away with guaranteed contracts...

This situation is created by things like giving out 15-year contracts. It's laughable to hear the owner of the Wild pleading poverty and cost certainty when he does things like giving Zach Parise a 13-year deal.

I agree...unfortunately it's the small owners that are the ones that need protection from the the big market teams. I will remain neutral ... mainly because I only really watch the playoffs anyways.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

This situation is created by things like giving out 15-year contracts. It's laughable to hear the owner of the Wild pleading poverty and cost certainty when he does things like giving Zach Parise a 13-year deal.

exactly ...

the thing is - although the NHL deal says 50/50 ... it's not really 50/50 based on there other provisions such as the "make whole" clause ... they are saying it would actually drop that share ...

if i was a player ... i would be like ... ok - so, we go 50/50 ... then what happens in 7 years ... we have to go 43/57? ... owners are always taking but offer nothing in return ...

Nothing in return...really...the average NHL salary is like 2.4 million...how much money would these players be making without hockey?

It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever have sympathy for these millionaires, same goes for these billionaire owners.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Nothing in return...really...the average NHL salary is like 2.4 million...how much money would these players be making without hockey?

It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever have sympathy for these millionaires, same goes for these billionaire owners.

and how much money are the owners making? ... yeah ... it's a lot of money compared to what we make ... but these guys are responsible for the profits owners make ... plus ... if you're a guy like brett lindros who had concussions take them out of the game ... they are sacrificing their body for the game and they gotta earn what they can when they can ...

at the end of the day - it isn't about feeling sorry for a guy who gets to make millions of dollar playing a game ... it's about what is fair ...

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lukin2006 wrote:

I'm with neither really...it's spoiled millionaires fighting billionaires and its the owners league. Now I would feel differently if the players offered to do away with guaranteed contracts...

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