2025-2026 NHL Offseason

Rygar

Stamkos re-signed with Lightning.

Dr. Delight

Stamkos- 8 yrs/$68

lukin2006

I'd take Weber in heart beat over Subban ... So Montreal did alright ... The only problem I see is your paying Weber till he's 40, but if you win the Stanley cup with Weber then that might be irrelevant. The Canadians added Shaw and Weber, two character guys who should make them better and their also interested in Ladd.

lukin2006

MayDay10 said:

ahhhhh too much news. Cant process it all!!!



Horrible trade for Montreal though. ouch

I don't think so, Subban was lazy at times on the ice...and when your paid 9 million, not a good flaw to have. Montreal added leadership and character and they save around a million or so off the cap.

Mignelli14

I think I'd rather have Weber too than PK. Although PK is electric and maybe that's what Nashville needs. But then again they seem like a pretty enthusiastic market around playoff time already. Maybe PK can help increase enthusiasm for the sport in Nashville. And I mean he is a black man going to a place like Nashville, maybe he can popularize the sport and team to the African-American community there who from what I understand is not huge on hockey

lukin2006

^^^Also Nashville has already paid over 1/2 of Webers contract (56 million in the first 4 years of a 110 million 14 year deal), so Montreal is on the hook for 54 million over the final 10 years. Plus Montreal drafted Mikhail Sergachev with the number 9 pick to maybe pair with Weber.

MayDay10

Pk subban is one of the best players in the nhl. Weber is good but he is also on the back 9 now.

Im friends with a bunch of people from montreal and they are in jersey burning mode and the comments i see on their fb pages are nearly unanimous angry as hell.


http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2016/6/29/12061540/pk-subban-trade-analysis-shea-weber-montreal-canadiens-worst-trade-ever-fire-bergevin

Drowned Out

Oilers lost the trade now but if larsson puts up 35-40 and continues to grow next year I think we came out better than some of the other rumours hat have been going around (nuge for dumba - f that). That's a BIG but...but he plugs a huge, gaping hole at RD. Had to be done. Had to be done 3-5 years ago, actually (bringing in a minute munching, first passing, young, fairly priced, shutdown d). I'm def in the minority in Edmonton, tho...ppl are pissed.
Have to remember oil are signing Lucic on Friday...and possibly demers. If not demers I'm thinking maybe a trade for shattenkirk, Barrie, or vatanen? Still need another righty. I don't think chia makes this trade without something already in place with Lucic. If he did, lucic's ask just went up lol....Chia isn't done by a long shot....and I welcome it. Tired of missing the playoffs. They're a better team with larsson and Lucic than they were with just hall. Oil also needed a culture change. Lots of people saying off record (and Eakins - former coach on record) that hall was a baby in the room. He's better than Lucic but Hopefully Lucic will bring a better dynamic to the room.

MayDay10

I suspect that there was some variation of subban to edmonton for hall and the 4th pick because montreal really wanted dubois. Columbus picked him 3rd and fucked everything up. Today was the aftermath

Dr. Delight

Ciarelli screwed up big time. He has now traded Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin.
For one of the top wingers in the game, you have to do better than a top 4 D-man coming back. I know D-men carry extra weight around the league, but thats not good value. Oilers still have work to do on defense. And now they are going to overpay for Lucic.

lukin2006

Drowned Out said:

Oilers lost the trade now but if larsson puts up 35-40 and continues to grow next year I think we came out better than some of the other rumours hat have been going around (nuge for dumba - f that). That's a BIG but...but he plugs a huge, gaping hole at RD. Had to be done. Had to be done 3-5 years ago, actually (bringing in a minute munching, first passing, young, fairly priced, shutdown d). I'm def in the minority in Edmonton, tho...ppl are pissed.
Have to remember oil are signing Lucic on Friday...and possibly demers. If not demers I'm thinking maybe a trade for shattenkirk, Barrie, or vatanen? Still need another righty. I don't think chia makes this trade without something already in place with Lucic. If he did, lucic's ask just went up lol....Chia isn't done by a long shot....and I welcome it. Tired of missing the playoffs. They're a better team with larsson and Lucic than they were with just hall. Oil also needed a culture change. Lots of people saying off record (and Eakins - former coach on record) that hall was a baby in the room. He's better than Lucic but Hopefully Lucic will bring a better dynamic to the room.

You bring up some good points ... Especially the signing of Lucic, and with the salary cap today those are the things that need to be balanced ... And I'm sure it's not lost on the oilers general manager that in today's cap era you can only have so many top flight players.

MayDay10

They have an embarrassment of riches for top younfmg forwards... and that Finnish pulijarvi fell into their laps.

lukin2006

MayDay10 said:

Pk subban is one of the best players in the nhl. Weber is good but he is also on the back 9 now.

Im friends with a bunch of people from montreal and they are in jersey burning mode and the comments i see on their fb pages are nearly unanimous angry as hell.


http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2016/6/29/12061540/pk-subban-trade-analysis-shea-weber-montreal-canadiens-worst-trade-ever-fire-bergevin

Those fans are thinking with emotion more than anything ... Montreal has to think about the $$$, I also believe they are really hopeful their 9th overall pick can make the roster ... And if he does, I'm sure Weber would be a much better influence than Suban ... The only thing he'd learn from Suban is how to be a hotdog on the ice and lazy.

MayDay10

The weber contract is awful. Paying a guy $8 million through his 30s to 2026.

Subban is signed for $9 million through his prime years

I also doubt sergachev will be nhl ready. Could be 2 to 3 years out

Drowned Out

Praying they keep the Lucic term down but wouldn't be surprised to see 6 years. And you do pay a premium for top end d talent. With the league being 60/40 left/right, the RD's are the most rare animal in the game. The past few years have proven it. Look at their D depth chart...klefbom/Sekera/Davidson/nurse/Reinhart/oesterle. All legit talents. Under contract on the right they have....mark fayne and a couple ahl'ers. Hall is elite but wingers are replaceable...top pairing RD are impossible to find. Chiarelli basically admitted they lost the trade - but only on their current body of work. It's a gamble and yes, I'm trying hard to convince myself it will all be ok...or turn out great if larsson develops into a bona fide #1 next year and is under contract for 4 mil for another 5 years. I've read lots of devils fans talking about larsson being a tough loss, that he's underrated...he's 23, d curve is a lot slower than fwd...lots of upside left.

And ya, I think there was an EDM Mtl trade worked out for subban, involving the 4th pick so the Habs could take Dubois...chia alluded to a done deal that didn't materialize after the draft, and bergevin looked pissed when selecting sergachev. subban woulda been sick with mcdavid on the pp, but I'm stoked they got poolparty.

MayDay10

Drowned Out said:

Praying they keep the Lucic term down but wouldn't be surprised to see 6 years. .

Im hoping the sabres punt on the ufas this year. Especially okposo.

Dr. Delight

This is clearly Therrien not liking Subban and Bergevin doing his coach a favor, still doesnt make it a good trade.
A plus for MTL is, if Weber retires before the contract ends, Nashville is on the hook for any recapture penalties.
Still, Subban is younger with a shorter contract. Don't forget, Nashville prob has the best defense in the league, even after losing Weber. They have enough guys to play back and let Subban do his thing.

Drowned Out

lukin2006 said:

Drowned Out said:

Oilers lost the trade now but if larsson puts up 35-40 and continues to grow next year I think we came out better than some of the other rumours hat have been going around (nuge for dumba - f that). That's a BIG but...but he plugs a huge, gaping hole at RD. Had to be done. Had to be done 3-5 years ago, actually (bringing in a minute munching, first passing, young, fairly priced, shutdown d). I'm def in the minority in Edmonton, tho...ppl are pissed.
Have to remember oil are signing Lucic on Friday...and possibly demers. If not demers I'm thinking maybe a trade for shattenkirk, Barrie, or vatanen? Still need another righty. I don't think chia makes this trade without something already in place with Lucic. If he did, lucic's ask just went up lol....Chia isn't done by a long shot....and I welcome it. Tired of missing the playoffs. They're a better team with larsson and Lucic than they were with just hall. Oil also needed a culture change. Lots of people saying off record (and Eakins - former coach on record) that hall was a baby in the room. He's better than Lucic but Hopefully Lucic will bring a better dynamic to the room.

You bring up some good points ... Especially the signing of Lucic, and with the salary cap today those are the things that need to be balanced ... And I'm sure it's not lost on the oilers general manager that in today's cap era you can only have so many top flight players.

Hall was underrated and a value contract...3rd in the league in points per 60 min played 5 on 5. In his prime. But you are not going to win a trade for a top pairing d. Everyone keeps calling larsson a 3-4 but the guy played top pairing for the Devils, a bad team, and was still a healthy + player. If he takes another step offensively next year and keeps shutting other top lines down, he wouldnt be available.
I'd take okposo on the oil. Esp if the eberle for shattenkirk rumours are true.

Mignelli14

Larsson is 23. Those guys don't peak until they're 28ish. For all we know now Larsson could be a Norris candidate between the ages of 26-32.

Drowned Out

Mignelli14 said:

Larsson is 23. Those guys don't peak until they're 28ish. For all we know now Larsson could be a Norris candidate between the ages of 26-32.

There we go! ^^
I think the great ones peak a little earlier, but he will continue to improve for a couple years. Being pushed by another young swede partner will be great for both of them. he'll surprise a lot of people in Edmonton. I really hope so anyway. But what do I know, I thought the Reinhart deal was decent value and he was ready... that hasn't panned out yet at all.