I really do hope Bedard pulls a Lindros and says he's not playing for that garbage organization. I can't imagine that will happen...but Chicago should have been punished waaaay more harshly for what they did.
You think he'd have chosen Columbus or Anaheim over Chicago if it were up to him? I don't. If he wants to be as high profile as possible, he needs to be on a marquee franchise, that's why David Stern rigged the lottery for him to end up in Chicago. Columbus and Anaheim would be too obscure of landing spots for him.
Chicago was probably the best case scenario for Bedard and the NHL. Its a great city, storied keystone franchise and all that. Philadelphia would have been 2nd probably.
I do not believe it is/was fixed at all. Honestly, 8 or the 11 teams eligible could have had calls for conspiracy. They have an independent accounting firm over-seeing the process. A lot of people are involved and would need to be quiet. Ownership of many teams would also not just allow Bettman to send premium draft picks wherever he pleases. McDavid going to Edmonton, which was the worst case for both the NHL and him, should prove there is no fix.
Im glad they reformatted it so that teams that barely missed the playoffs cannot get 1OA.
Chicago was probably the best case scenario for Bedard and the NHL. Its a great city, storied keystone franchise and all that. Philadelphia would have been 2nd probably.
I do not believe it is/was fixed at all. Honestly, 8 or the 11 teams eligible could have had calls for conspiracy. They have an independent accounting firm over-seeing the process. A lot of people are involved and would need to be quiet. Ownership of many teams would also not just allow Bettman to send premium draft picks wherever he pleases. McDavid going to Edmonton, which was the worst case for both the NHL and him, should prove there is no fix.
Im glad they reformatted it so that teams that barely missed the playoffs cannot get 1OA.
Here's my simple solution to the drafting odds, tell me what you think. Once a team is eliminated from the playoffs - keep track of their points, whoever has the most gets 1st draft pick, and so on from there. Eliminates "tanking", removes odds of 1st draft pick, and it keeps the playoff race interesting because all teams still have to play hard.
Wouldn't it be funny if the world ended in 2010, with lots of fire?
Here's my simple solution to the drafting odds, tell me what you think. Once a team is eliminated from the playoffs - keep track of their points, whoever has the most gets 1st draft pick, and so on from there. Eliminates "tanking", removes odds of 1st draft pick, and it keeps the playoff race interesting because all teams still have to play hard.
So you're saying give the #17 team in the league the first pick? Does that mean the last place team gets the worst lottery pick?
I really do hope Bedard pulls a Lindros and says he's not playing for that garbage organization. I can't imagine that will happen...but Chicago should have been punished waaaay more harshly for what they did.
that's why David Stern rigged the lottery for him to end up in Chicago.
Here's my simple solution to the drafting odds, tell me what you think. Once a team is eliminated from the playoffs - keep track of their points, whoever has the most gets 1st draft pick, and so on from there. Eliminates "tanking", removes odds of 1st draft pick, and it keeps the playoff race interesting because all teams still have to play hard.
So you're saying give the #17 team in the league the first pick? Does that mean the last place team gets the worst lottery pick?
No. This gets mentioned a lot, but in practice, I dont think it will ever happen for various reasons. It would affect the trade deadline, and there also inequities with each conference being different. I also wonder if there would be a mini-tank to get eliminated quicker.
So basically, this year, say Columbus is mathematically eliminated on February 5th. Their next game they begin to amass points for draft positioning. Maybe Anaheim joins the fray 2 weeks later, but Columbus has a 5 game head start. Teams slowly get eliminated and amass points. Buffalo was eliminated the last weekend of the season and won their last game, so they would only have 2 points. The most points gets the 1OA pick.
For me, I dont think tanking is a big issue. It is a high risk, and it is tough to get back up in the NHL with 1 or 2 players. The last place team only has like a 28% chance to get 1OA.
Here's my simple solution to the drafting odds, tell me what you think. Once a team is eliminated from the playoffs - keep track of their points, whoever has the most gets 1st draft pick, and so on from there. Eliminates "tanking", removes odds of 1st draft pick, and it keeps the playoff race interesting because all teams still have to play hard.
So you're saying give the #17 team in the league the first pick? Does that mean the last place team gets the worst lottery pick?
No. This gets mentioned a lot, but in practice, I dont think it will ever happen for various reasons. It would affect the trade deadline, and there also inequities with each conference being different. I also wonder if there would be a mini-tank to get eliminated quicker.
So basically, this year, say Columbus is mathematically eliminated on February 5th. Their next game they begin to amass points for draft positioning. Maybe Anaheim joins the fray 2 weeks later, but Columbus has a 5 game head start. Teams slowly get eliminated and amass points. Buffalo was eliminated the last weekend of the season and won their last game, so they would only have 2 points. The most points gets the 1OA pick.
Oh I see. Meh. I don't have an issue with the way things are done now using a lottery. Sure, maybe some teams tank. But if you are weak and in a weak division, your opportunity to gain points is hampered because you are eliminated later.
I really do hope Bedard pulls a Lindros and says he's not playing for that garbage organization. I can't imagine that will happen...but Chicago should have been punished waaaay more harshly for what they did.
that's why David Stern rigged the lottery for him to end up in Chicago.
What?
It's a call back to Patrick Ewing and the frozen envelopes that landed him in NY.
The one reason i know the lottery isn't rigged is that run of 3 straight #1 picks that Edmonton got a decade or so ago. Like someone mentioned earlier, no way Bettman would rig that scenario.
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Chicago was probably the best case scenario for Bedard and the NHL. Its a great city, storied keystone franchise and all that. Philadelphia would have been 2nd probably.
I do not believe it is/was fixed at all. Honestly, 8 or the 11 teams eligible could have had calls for conspiracy. They have an independent accounting firm over-seeing the process. A lot of people are involved and would need to be quiet. Ownership of many teams would also not just allow Bettman to send premium draft picks wherever he pleases. McDavid going to Edmonton, which was the worst case for both the NHL and him, should prove there is no fix.
Im glad they reformatted it so that teams that barely missed the playoffs cannot get 1OA.
lol I have no horse in this race - my team ceased to exist in the 90s, so it's mostly for entertainment purposes now
My team sucks, when it's playoff time I typically just root against teams, not for teams (although I'm going for the Oilers). I can't get behind the Leafs under almost any circumstance though.
lol I have no horse in this race - my team ceased to exist in the 90s, so it's mostly for entertainment purposes now
My team sucks, when it's playoff time I typically just root against teams, not for teams (although I'm going for the Oilers). I can't get behind the Leafs under almost any circumstance though.
I'll get behind them winning, only because the Canes (if they win 1 more) will be playing them or the cats. The more run down they are the better it is for the Canes
Wouldn't it be funny if the world ended in 2010, with lots of fire?
lol I have no horse in this race - my team ceased to exist in the 90s, so it's mostly for entertainment purposes now
My team sucks, when it's playoff time I typically just root against teams, not for teams (although I'm going for the Oilers). I can't get behind the Leafs under almost any circumstance though.
I'll get behind them winning, only because the Canes (if they win 1 more) will be playing them or the cats. The more run down they are the better it is for the Canes
And this is a valid reason for cheering for a team you don't like.
To be clear, I never said the draft was rigged. I said Chicago ownership didn’t pay a steep enough price for what happened and how they had it all swept under the rug. That’s just business. Vancouver’s owner has been accused of abusing his children and that hasn’t gotten any play either.
Billionaires being billionaires. It’s why I haven’t paid to see a hockey game or bought pro hockey merch in a decade. Fuck em
Yeah that's what I meant earlier when i said that Bedard should pull a Lindros. It's not about what would be better logistically for him, or that Chicago is the best choice for the league financially speaking. They 100% did not pay a steep enough price for what happened - hell they made back the 2 mil fine they had to pay within a few hours of the Bedard news.
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Yeah that's what I meant earlier when i said that Bedard should pull a Lindros. It's not about what would be better logistically for him, or that Chicago is the best choice for the league financially speaking. They 100% did not pay a steep enough price for what happened - hell they made back the 2 mil fine they had to pay within a few hours of the Bedard news.
You're both right. I saw that about the financials too, I think it was 5m they made in a few hours of Bedard?
I'm no Leafs fan (fu Darcy Tucker) and definitely still bitter about '85 & '87 but this Canadian Stanley Cup drought is downright Philadelphian - it'd be fun if the Florida Panther blew a 3-0 lead and Vegas needs to lose. And it's fun to watch the Oilers - their players are exciting and their uniforms rock. And I love singing O Canada (ducks). I feel like I want it to happen for your country.
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I'm no Leafs fan (fu Darcy Tucker) and definitely still bitter about '85 & '87 but this Canadian Stanley Cup drought is downright Philadelphian - it'd be fun if the Florida Panther blew a 3-0 lead and Vegas needs to lose. And it's fun to watch the Oilers - their players are exciting and their uniforms rock. And I love singing O Canada (ducks). I feel like I want it to happen for your country.
I'm no Leafs fan (fu Darcy Tucker) and definitely still bitter about '85 & '87 but this Canadian Stanley Cup drought is downright Philadelphian - it'd be fun if the Florida Panther blew a 3-0 lead and Vegas needs to lose. And it's fun to watch the Oilers - their players are exciting and their uniforms rock. And I love singing O Canada (ducks). I feel like I want it to happen for your country.
O Canada 10x better than SSB
I told my wife that exact thing last night as we watched the Oilers game start. I love the Canadian anthem. I think it's beautiful. Ours is just weird. America the Beautiful or God Bless America would be much better.
I love singing the last line as loud as I can... in the house. My kids hate it but I get all vibrato.
I'm no Leafs fan (fu Darcy Tucker) and definitely still bitter about '85 & '87 but this Canadian Stanley Cup drought is downright Philadelphian - it'd be fun if the Florida Panther blew a 3-0 lead and Vegas needs to lose. And it's fun to watch the Oilers - their players are exciting and their uniforms rock. And I love singing O Canada (ducks). I feel like I want it to happen for your country.
O Canada 10x better than SSB
I told my wife that exact thing last night as we watched the Oilers game start. I love the Canadian anthem. I think it's beautiful. Ours is just weird. America the Beautiful or God Bless America would be much better.
I love singing the last line as loud as I can... in the house. My kids hate it but I get all vibrato.
scrap ‘em both.
If I had known then what I know now...
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Well, totally thought Canes game 5 was tonight, they won last night and are in the conf finals. some fan I am lol
Sounds about right - lol
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Well, totally thought Canes game 5 was tonight, they won last night and are in the conf finals. some fan I am lol
so happy for you
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St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I’m no rules expert but a) I didn’t think Kolesar’s hit deserved a game misconduct or b) VGK could survive a 5 minute power play. incredibly dumb penalty to take, in any case.
to me, refs blew the non-goal call in the Leafs game, too.
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I’m no rules expert but a) I didn’t think Kolesar’s hit deserved a game misconduct or b) VGK could survive a 5 minute power play. incredibly dumb penalty to take, in any case.
to me, refs blew the non-goal call in the Leafs game, too.
1. I thought it was a 5 minute major. Was it a game misconduct too? If so, agreed. 5 minutes was warranted. I don't think it was malicious, but it was bad luck and injury is part of the rule. He was hurt.
I’m no rules expert but a) I didn’t think Kolesar’s hit deserved a game misconduct or b) VGK could survive a 5 minute power play. incredibly dumb penalty to take, in any case.
to me, refs blew the non-goal call in the Leafs game, too.
1. I thought it was a 5 minute major. Was it a game misconduct too? If so, agreed. 5 minutes was warranted. I don't think it was malicious, but it was bad luck and injury is part of the rule. He was hurt.
2. You saw the puck cross?
I thought I did. Didn’t they say it had but a whistle had blown?
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I don't.
If he wants to be as high profile as possible, he needs to be on a marquee franchise, that's why David Stern rigged the lottery for him to end up in Chicago. Columbus and Anaheim would be too obscure of landing spots for him.
I do not believe it is/was fixed at all. Honestly, 8 or the 11 teams eligible could have had calls for conspiracy. They have an independent accounting firm over-seeing the process. A lot of people are involved and would need to be quiet. Ownership of many teams would also not just allow Bettman to send premium draft picks wherever he pleases. McDavid going to Edmonton, which was the worst case for both the NHL and him, should prove there is no fix.
Im glad they reformatted it so that teams that barely missed the playoffs cannot get 1OA.
Once a team is eliminated from the playoffs - keep track of their points, whoever has the most gets 1st draft pick, and so on from there. Eliminates "tanking", removes odds of 1st draft pick, and it keeps the playoff race interesting because all teams still have to play hard.
What?
So basically, this year, say Columbus is mathematically eliminated on February 5th. Their next game they begin to amass points for draft positioning. Maybe Anaheim joins the fray 2 weeks later, but Columbus has a 5 game head start. Teams slowly get eliminated and amass points. Buffalo was eliminated the last weekend of the season and won their last game, so they would only have 2 points. The most points gets the 1OA pick.
For me, I dont think tanking is a big issue. It is a high risk, and it is tough to get back up in the NHL with 1 or 2 players. The last place team only has like a 28% chance to get 1OA.
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lol I have no horse in this race - my team ceased to exist in the 90s, so it's mostly for entertainment purposes now
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I can't get behind the Leafs under almost any circumstance though.
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I saw that about the financials too, I think it was 5m they made in a few hours of Bedard?
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I love singing the last line as loud as I can... in the house. My kids hate it but I get all vibrato.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
to me, refs blew the non-goal call in the Leafs game, too.
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
2. You saw the puck cross?
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14