More irrationality from the fringe right/tea party...

polaris_x

Sludge Factory wrote:

I already told you what the lawsuits would be based upon in the post of mine you are quoting.

If someone is willing to work for 5 cents a week, that is their call. As for the rest of your post, the market would be able to address those issues. There would be and already is a market for product testing, protecting individual rights would also have a market (already does to an extent i.e. the ACLU).

you said breaking of a contract ... what contract did i sign? ... if there is no regulation or standards ... there is nothing illegal about me selling an unsafe product ...

Sludge Factory

polaris_x wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

I already told you what the lawsuits would be based upon in the post of mine you are quoting.

If someone is willing to work for 5 cents a week, that is their call. As for the rest of your post, the market would be able to address those issues. There would be and already is a market for product testing, protecting individual rights would also have a market (already does to an extent i.e. the ACLU).

you said breaking of a contract ... what contract did i sign? ... if there is no regulation or standards ... there is nothing illegal about me selling an unsafe product ...

See, you equate me as saying government should not regulate as me saying that there should be no regulations. That is not what I am saying at all. I don't believe regulations or standards would cease to exist if the government was not involved with them. What would end is these endless broad mandates.

I realize you are in Canada so please bear with me that I am speaking purely from a USA context regarding the Constitution. In the Constitution certain rights are protected and those are the rights that would be violated by you knowingly selling a toxic substance to people. You wouldn't necessarily need a contract for that because, as I said in my above post, your actions would be " infringing on the rights of others." allowing them to seek restitution from you. Not only that, but lets say there wasn't a Constitution to base this off of. Private law existed prior to the Constitution's implementation and still does exist and could take care of these issues as well.


Also, you don't need to sign a contract to be bound by a contract. There are things such as offers and acceptances which sales could fall under that are done without a physical contract being signed.

polaris_x

but the constitution exists now and corporations still do it ... i don't see them getting sued even with what you feel is an over-regulated country ...

i just don't understand where your faith in self-regulation comes from!? ... there is no example of where when left to its own devices the outcome balances the need for profit and public interests ...

Sludge Factory

polaris_x wrote:

but the constitution exists now and corporations still do it ... i don't see them getting sued even with what you feel is an over-regulated country ...

i just don't understand where your faith in self-regulation comes from!? ... there is no example of where when left to its own devices the outcome balances the need for profit and public interests ...

They aren't getting sued now because too many people are willing to protect them. Too many people and organizations (i.e. the government) do not take the Constitution seriously and are willing to distort the meaning behind it to serve their wants and emotions.

There are many corrupt forces in our government that do not allow justice to happen. Many times the regulatory committees are made up of former execs of the companies that are in the industry that is the current hot topic for regulation. You don't see something weird about that?

I don't understand where your faith in government regulation comes from. It has been proven time and again that government does a terrible job at this and is easily corruptible. It doesn't work other than to weed out any chance of competition being created to force the big corportations to compete on a level playing field. Not only that, but all the things you fear would occur under a free market still exist under our regulated market. I'm simply saying things would be better handled were the market actually allowed to function as intended. If public interests are great enough amongst the public, businesses will be forced to cater to those interests because the public is the ultimate determination in whether a business is successful or not.

polaris_x

Sludge Factory wrote:

They aren't getting sued now because too many people are willing to protect them. Too many people and organizations (i.e. the government) do not take the Constitution seriously and are willing to distort the meaning behind it to serve their wants and emotions.

There are many corrupt forces in our government that do not allow justice to happen. Many times the regulatory committees are made up of former execs of the companies that are in the industry that is the current hot topic for regulation. You don't see something weird about that?

I don't understand where your faith in government regulation comes from. It has been proven time and again that government does a terrible job at this and is easily corruptible. It doesn't work other than to weed out any chance of competition being created to force the big corportations to compete on a level playing field. Not only that, but all the things you fear would occur under a free market still exist under our regulated market. I'm simply saying things would be better handled were the market actually be allowed to function as intended. If public interests are great enough amongst the public, businesses will be forced to cater to those interests because the public is the ultimate determination in whether a business is successful or not.

we keep circling back to the same points ... you don't need to convince me that the gov't is corrupt ... i know that ... but in other countries ... gov't regulation is working out just fine ... just because the US is beholden to corporate interests doesn't make the necessity of regulation obsolete ...

so ... just point me in the direction that shows that some free market style of operation will yield a situation that would protect public interest and maybe i can see your light ...