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Just saw Billy Corgan...

stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
edited September 2011 in Other Music
On TV live in Mexico pretending the Pumpkins are still relevant. At this point in an aging rockers career they stop taking themselves so serious. Billy made some great tunes but he's by far the biggest poser of the era. Now I'm done.
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  • bv0621bv0621 Posts: 17
    Especially when the fake Mexican wrestlers came out and stopped the show and staged a fake match. It was painful, I had to turn the channel.
  • Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    The wrestling bit and that whole show (the parts they showed on tv) were brutal. I still respect billy as a very talented musician. He can play a mean guitar and will be one of those dudes youll see playing the blues like 25 years from now in small clubs.
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  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,050
    :lol::lol: wrestling and billy? What show was this on? TNA Wresting?
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    LukinFan wrote:
    :lol::lol: wrestling and billy? What show was this on? TNA Wresting?

    he's actually started his own wrestling promotion I believe.
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    stickfig13 wrote:
    On TV live in Mexico pretending the Pumpkins are still relevant. At this point in an aging rockers career they stop taking themselves so serious. Billy made some great tunes but he's by far the biggest poser of the era. Now I'm done.

    I'd like someone, for ONCE, who says stuff like this to DEFINE relevant. relevant to YOU? the music industry? himself? what? cause I'm pretty sure he's still relevant to all except #1.
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    stickfig13 wrote:
    On TV live in Mexico pretending the Pumpkins are still relevant. At this point in an aging rockers career they stop taking themselves so serious. Billy made some great tunes but he's by far the biggest poser of the era. Now I'm done.

    I'd like someone, for ONCE, who says stuff like this to DEFINE relevant. relevant to YOU? the music industry? himself? what? cause I'm pretty sure he's still relevant to all except #1.


    One thing is clear....I said the Pumpkins aren't relevant. It's Billy and a bunch of scabs trying to pull off the 90's magic. The anger and emotion is forced now.

    Other bands act their age
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    stickfig13 wrote:
    One thing is clear....I said the Pumpkins aren't relevant. It's Billy and a bunch of scabs trying to pull off the 90's magic. The anger and emotion is forced now.

    Other bands act their age

    so they aren't relevant because you say so. got it.

    make no mistake. The Pumpkins was always Billy, and to a much lesser extent, Jimmy. the others were merely window dressing.

    many people who are no longer fans of PJ say the same thing about them. seems to me you simply no longer like their music, so you think that means they aren't relevant to anyone else. Zeitgeist was one of their best abums. While the last few songs released on Teargarden have not been the best, he seems to be going into a new direction musically, but a lot of the stuff he has yet to release but has played live are stellar.

    ever hear Superchrist? that ain't forced. that song is a fucking machine. 99 Floors? awesome. the guy is a maniac super songwriter. anyone who churns out that much is going to have some duds.

    act their age? what does that even mean?
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    stickfig13 wrote:
    On TV live in Mexico pretending the Pumpkins are still relevant. At this point in an aging rockers career they stop taking themselves so serious. Billy made some great tunes but he's by far the biggest poser of the era. Now I'm done.

    so I guess PJ, Soundgarden, et all, should all just stop being serious? or do you think Ed should cut his hair again because he's too old to have long hair? :lol:
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    stickfig13 wrote:
    On TV live in Mexico pretending the Pumpkins are still relevant. At this point in an aging rockers career they stop taking themselves so serious. Billy made some great tunes but he's by far the biggest poser of the era. Now I'm done.

    so I guess PJ, Soundgarden, et all, should all just stop being serious? or do you think Ed should cut his hair again because he's too old to have long hair? :lol:

    I think Pearl Jam has matured as a band better than most. You don't see Ed trying to pull off the 1992-1995 Ed. Billy is still faking the funk....
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    make no mistake. The Pumpkins was always Billy, and to a much lesser extent, Jimmy. the others were merely window dressing.

    I think they helped rein in his massive ego. Nowadays he's just a self-aggrandising idiot who thinks he deserves all the respect in the world for his musical accomplishments, whilst he simultaneously waters down his own legacy with a bunch of random band members and average songs. The irony being that his early work does actually stack up there with the best of the best. He's not the best singer in the world, granted, but his guitar work and sense of melody in the early to mid 90's was second to none.
  • Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    siamese is a "CLASSIC" when you talk about music from the early 90's. He needs jimmy back.
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  • Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    Billy goes out of his way to be different and push peoples buttons..just his way. He is still a very talented musician.
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Wma31394 wrote:
    Billy goes out of his way to be different and push peoples buttons..just his way. He is still a very talented musician.


    Nobody can deny his talent. His resume speaks for itself. Let me compare him to Brett Favre.....Great in his prime, but hung on to long and tarnished his legacy with crap performace.
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  • Mamasan23Mamasan23 Posts: 16,388
    All question of talent and music taste aside...


    WHY IS HE PROMOTING WRESTLING NOW?

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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    All question of talent and music taste aside...


    WHY IS HE PROMOTING WRESTLING NOW?

    !

    guess it's just a dream of his. he's always been a huge wrestling fan.
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I think Pearl Jam has matured as a band better than most. You don't see Ed trying to pull off the 1992-1995 Ed. Billy is still faking the funk....

    faking the funk? what does that mean? I don't understand why anyone thinks he's trying to be past Billy. if he was, wouldn't he just write siamese 2? I mean, people shit on him because he's not his old self, people shit on him for apparently trying to be his old self.

    I wish you two groups would decide on why you hate him so much.

    I keep hearing all this "he needs Jimmy back" garbage. no matter what anyone says, a drummer does NOT make the band (did Bonham "make" Zeppelin? NOPE). the bassist does NOT make the band (I am a bassist by the way and my dad's a drummer). generally it's the guitarist and the vocalist, both of which he is, along with principle songwriter. Iha wrote, what, one song? Darcy wrote none?

    sure, Jimmy is a kick ass drummer, but those are a dime a dozen.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I think Pearl Jam has matured as a band better than most. You don't see Ed trying to pull off the 1992-1995 Ed. Billy is still faking the funk....

    faking the funk? what does that mean? I don't understand why anyone thinks he's trying to be past Billy. if he was, wouldn't he just write siamese 2? I mean, people shit on him because he's not his old self, people shit on him for apparently trying to be his old self.

    I wish you two groups would decide on why you hate him so much.

    I keep hearing all this "he needs Jimmy back" garbage. no matter what anyone says, a drummer does NOT make the band (did Bonham "make" Zeppelin? NOPE). the bassist does NOT make the band (I am a bassist by the way and my dad's a drummer). generally it's the guitarist and the vocalist, both of which he is, along with principle songwriter. Iha wrote, what, one song? Darcy wrote none?

    sure, Jimmy is a kick ass drummer, but those are a dime a dozen.

    Agree totally about Corgan. Let him do his thing. He was always the engine that turned the gears. Whether or not people like what comes out, it isn't up to them.


    You're way off base with the drummer/bassist comment. Yes, alot of times the guitarist and singer are the chief song writers, but that doesn't mean other members don't enhance or destroy the sound of a band.

    Listen to how much Them Crooked Vultures sounds like Zeppelin and how relatively weak alot of the post Zeppelin team ups have been. How much the sound of Tool changed when they got Justin Chancellor. Hell, Pink Floyd without Roger Waters, by all accounts a pretty crummy bass player, just never sounded the same without his signature bass sound.

    A great musician with an original voice on any instrument isn't an easy thing to come by.

    You're seriously comparing yourself and your dad to JPJ, Bonzo, or Jimmy Chamberlain? Please just stop it. I'm sure you guys are fine players, if you've put in the time, but come on.
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