Another Day Another Banned Product

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edited September 2011 in A Moving Train
OTC inhalers to be phased out to protect ozone layer


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44627081/ ... one-layer/


So now all of these people are going to have to make a doctors appointment and then
go to a doctor’s appointment they never had to do otherwise to get a prescription (increased costs, copays, insurance paperwork, gasoline consumption, additional miles on the car, etc) a big pain in the ass :x
– pay for a more expensive product (increased costs, insurance coverage now has an impact, copays, pharmacist involvement rather than OTC. And the idea that this is going to protect the ozone layer is ridiculous. Why doesn't the FDA and the EPA just out law breathing and be done with all of us ? :evil:

I thought I heard somewhere that the gov was bringing down healthcare cost. :?
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  • OTC inhalers to be phased out to protect ozone layer


    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44627081/ ... one-layer/


    So now all of these people are going to have to make a doctors appointment and then
    go to a doctor’s appointment they never had to do otherwise to get a prescription (increased costs, copays, insurance paperwork, gasoline consumption, additional miles on the car, etc) a big pain in the ass :x
    – pay for a more expensive product (increased costs, insurance coverage now has an impact, copays, pharmacist involvement rather than OTC. And the idea that this is going to protect the ozone layer is ridiculous. Why doesn't the FDA and the EPA just out law breathing and be done with all of us ? :evil:

    I thought I heard somewhere that the gov was bringing down healthcare cost. :?

    This policy was put in place in 2007.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    OTC inhalers to be phased out to protect ozone layer


    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44627081/ ... one-layer/


    So now all of these people are going to have to make a doctors appointment and then
    go to a doctor’s appointment they never had to do otherwise to get a prescription (increased costs, copays, insurance paperwork, gasoline consumption, additional miles on the car, etc) a big pain in the ass :x
    – pay for a more expensive product (increased costs, insurance coverage now has an impact, copays, pharmacist involvement rather than OTC. And the idea that this is going to protect the ozone layer is ridiculous. Why doesn't the FDA and the EPA just out law breathing and be done with all of us ? :evil:

    I thought I heard somewhere that the gov was bringing down healthcare cost. :?

    This policy was put in place in 2007.
    obama that son of a bitch...

    oh wait a tic....

    who was president then??
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I buy mine over the counter in China. They cost the equivalent of 50p, or about 80 cents.

    You'd think these bureaucrats would be focusing their energies on trying to cut back on the causes of asthma, and on damage to the environment in general, rather than on a medicine that helps people to breathe.

    I wonder if this latest move by the medical industry is just another way for them to line their pockets?
  • OTC inhalers to be phased out to protect ozone layer


    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44627081/ ... one-layer/


    So now all of these people are going to have to make a doctors appointment and then
    go to a doctor’s appointment they never had to do otherwise to get a prescription (increased costs, copays, insurance paperwork, gasoline consumption, additional miles on the car, etc) a big pain in the ass :x
    – pay for a more expensive product (increased costs, insurance coverage now has an impact, copays, pharmacist involvement rather than OTC. And the idea that this is going to protect the ozone layer is ridiculous. Why doesn't the FDA and the EPA just out law breathing and be done with all of us ? :evil:

    I thought I heard somewhere that the gov was bringing down healthcare cost. :?

    This policy was put in place in 2007.
    obama that son of a bitch...

    oh wait a tic....

    who was president then??


    Bush was... And for what it's worth i didn't even mention obama you did. Here's another ban for ya that took place under the bush administration. The banning of the incandescent light bulb.Which has led to several GE plant closings. The plants went to Mexico and china. And wait gimmie you ready for this? Are you sitting down? A Republican congressman introduced the bill. My point is gimmie the federal gov is in our lives at every turn.A fed gov that has the power to tell us what kind of light bulbs,toilets,toasters ect. Is a gov that has way to much power. I bet you can't name one thing that the federal gov in one way or another isn't involved in. On a side note however I thought it was a kick in teeth from Obama when during his last speech he's up there like a dictator yelling "pass this bill" and the same time Jeffery Immelt and that thug Trumpka are sitting next to the first lady. :? This guy is his job czar but he's sending jobs to china. Can someone please explain this?


    A nationwide grassroots campaign launched this week asking Congress to repeal the ban on incandescent light bulbs. The effort is being pushed by FreedomAction, a self-described “web-based gathering of activists.”

    The ban on incandescent light bulbs is scheduled to begin Jan. 1, 2012. It was included in a comprehensive energy bill that President George W. Bush signed into law in 2007.

    One of the ban’s chief sponsors, Republican Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan, is now the chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee. He’s promised a hearing on the ban, but so far no such hearing has been scheduled.

    In December, when Upton was vying for the chairmanship, he changed positions on the mandatory switch from incandescent to CFL light bulbs. At the time, Upton said, “The last thing we wanted to do was infringe upon personal liberties — and this has been a good lesson that Congress does not always know best.”

    Myron Ebell, director of FreedomAction, said in a statement announcing the campaign, “The light bulb ban is an outrageous government limitation on consumer choice and intrusion into the home of every American.”

    Bills to repeal the ban have been introduced before. One, by Republican Reps. Joe Barton of Texas, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee and Michael Burgess of Texas was introduced last fall. A similar bill is expected later this month from Republican Senator Mike Enzi of Wyoming.

    Supporters of the repeal can sign FreedomAction’s petition at FreeOurLight.org


    http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/09/campa ... -bulb-ban/
  • OTC inhalers to be phased out to protect ozone layer


    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44627081/ ... one-layer/


    So now all of these people are going to have to make a doctors appointment and then
    go to a doctor’s appointment they never had to do otherwise to get a prescription (increased costs, copays, insurance paperwork, gasoline consumption, additional miles on the car, etc) a big pain in the ass :x


    You're telling me that someone on an inhaler isn't already seeing a doctor? :roll:
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I buy mine over the counter in China. They cost the equivalent of 50p, or about 80 cents.

    You'd think these bureaucrats would be focusing their energies on trying to cut back on the causes of asthma, and on damage to the environment in general, rather than on a medicine that helps people to breathe.

    I wonder if this latest move by the medical industry is just another way for them to line their pockets?

    yes ...with a more expensive replacment I'd bet.

    Godfather.
  • OTC inhalers to be phased out to protect ozone layer


    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44627081/ ... one-layer/


    So now all of these people are going to have to make a doctors appointment and then
    go to a doctor’s appointment they never had to do otherwise to get a prescription (increased costs, copays, insurance paperwork, gasoline consumption, additional miles on the car, etc) a big pain in the ass :x


    You're telling me that someone on an inhaler isn't already seeing a doctor? :roll:


    Not everybody has the same type of asthma. Some people use inhalers for other breathing problems. You could be right,but my point is how the hell is something you inhale going to effect the Ozone layer? When someone farts? The whole thing is ridiculous if you think about it. What if they were banning something like uh I don't know.. Butt lube maybe . Would that get your attention ? Not trying to disrespect you I'm only trying to get you to see how insane these bureaucrats are.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    the proper way to use an inhaler is not to put your mouth on the thing and take 2 puffs...there has to be some space between your mouth and the inhaler. that is why some people use nebulizers. if you don't have a nebulizer you are to hold it 2-3 inches in front of your face, discharge the medication and inhale if from there. the propellent, much like in an aerosol can, is what is harmful to the environment, and it escapes into the atmosphere.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • The whole thing is ridiculous if you think about it. What if they were banning something like uh I don't know.. Butt lube maybe . Would that get your attention ? Not trying to disrespect you I'm only trying to get you to see how insane these bureaucrats are.


    Well no.. You are trying to disrespect me and you're doing it very poorly... Like conevatives often do when they don't understand facts and just knee-jerk react to new things.

    And you're kind of making a fool of yourself... Because there are kinds of "butt lube," as you put it, that are banned. Petroleum-based lube tears mucus membranes and damages latex condoms, water-based lubes with the spermicde nonoxenol 9 used to be marketed as condoms that killed the HIV virus but it was later determined that it cauad micro-fissures in skin which actually boosted the chance of infection.

    So don't you look like a silly, uninformed person now?

    If the inhaler in question damages e ozone layer... That's what it does. So they need to find better alternatives. If you think that's silly... Well, sorry... It's not.
  • The FDA? I would put faith in them if they actually demonstrated a desire to protect consumers.
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    OTC inhalers to be phased out to protect ozone layer


    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44627081/ ... one-layer/


    So now all of these people are going to have to make a doctors appointment and then
    go to a doctor’s appointment they never had to do otherwise to get a prescription (increased costs, copays, insurance paperwork, gasoline consumption, additional miles on the car, etc) a big pain in the ass :x


    You're telling me that someone on an inhaler isn't already seeing a doctor? :roll:


    Not everybody has the same type of asthma. Some people use inhalers for other breathing problems. You could be right,but my point is how the hell is something you inhale going to effect the Ozone layer? When someone farts? The whole thing is ridiculous if you think about it. What if they were banning something like uh I don't know.. Butt lube maybe . Would that get your attention ? Not trying to disrespect you I'm only trying to get you to see how insane these bureaucrats are.


    :lol:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • The whole thing is ridiculous if you think about it. What if they were banning something like uh I don't know.. Butt lube maybe . Would that get your attention ? Not trying to disrespect you I'm only trying to get you to see how insane these bureaucrats are.


    Well no.. You are trying to disrespect me and you're doing it very poorly... Like conevatives often do when they don't understand facts and just knee-jerk react to new things.

    And you're kind of making a fool of yourself... Because there are kinds of "butt lube," as you put it, that are banned. Petroleum-based lube tears mucus membranes and damages latex condoms, water-based lubes with the spermicde nonoxenol 9 used to be marketed as condoms that killed the HIV virus but it was later determined that it cauad micro-fissures in skin which actually boosted the chance of infection.

    So don't you look like a silly, uninformed person now?

    If the inhaler in question damages e ozone layer... That's what it does. So they need to find better alternatives. If you think that's silly... Well, sorry... It's not.


    Jesus dude lighten up.. I said I wasn't trying to disrespect you. I'm sorry it was a lame example.. So now I know about petroleum based lubes. Thank you.. Anyway, It wasn't a knee jerk reaction. People are going to be affected in one way or another due to this ban. That was my only point. If the new ones are going to be better for the environment then why can't they be more affordable? Why should you have to get a prescription ? It's going to cost people even more that don't have health ins. I understand that the OTC ones have CCFC's and that they are bad for the ozone,but If they are going to ban a product they shouldn't replace it with something that's going to cost more or make it more difficult to get. Can't you at least agree on that?
  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,231
    Wouldn't the inhaler mist be consumed by the persons lungs hence not go into the atmosphere? Just say'n.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    shadowcast wrote:
    Wouldn't the inhaler mist be consumed by the persons lungs hence not go into the atmosphere? Just say'n.
    the mist is exhaled and let out into the atmosphere. you breathe in oxygen, co2, nitrogen, and the medication. you inhale deeply when taking the medication and you hit full lung capacity and you exhale what can not be absorbed. your lung tissue can not absorb anymore once lung capacity is achieved and you exhale the rest, oxygen, co2, nitrogen, and remnants of the medication.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,231
    shadowcast wrote:
    Wouldn't the inhaler mist be consumed by the persons lungs hence not go into the atmosphere? Just say'n.
    the mist is exhaled and let out into the atmosphere. you breathe in oxygen, co2, nitrogen, and the medication. you inhale deeply when taking the medication and you hit full lung capacity and you exhale what can not be absorbed. your lung tissue can not absorb anymore once lung capacity is achieved and you exhale the rest, oxygen, co2, nitrogen, and remnants of the medication.
    So, let's say that 70% of it absorbed in the lungs. That leaves 30% of such a small quick spray in the first place to be let out. Shouldn't we be focusing on making cars better? This is waste of time and energy to ban such a small little mist. That 70% gets absorbed. I am calling bullshit on this one and this is nothing more than to feed the already loaded medical industry.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    shadowcast wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    Wouldn't the inhaler mist be consumed by the persons lungs hence not go into the atmosphere? Just say'n.
    the mist is exhaled and let out into the atmosphere. you breathe in oxygen, co2, nitrogen, and the medication. you inhale deeply when taking the medication and you hit full lung capacity and you exhale what can not be absorbed. your lung tissue can not absorb anymore once lung capacity is achieved and you exhale the rest, oxygen, co2, nitrogen, and remnants of the medication.
    So, let's say that 70% of it absorbed in the lungs. That leaves 30% of such a small quick spray in the first place to be let out. Shouldn't we be focusing on making cars better? This is waste of time and energy to ban such a small little mist. That 70% gets absorbed. I am calling bullshit on this one and this is nothing more than to feed the already loaded medical industry.
    fair enough.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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