Does this bother anyone else.......

Aussie357

.......... or is it just me?
Regarding the highly sought after Edmonton Emek poster, the following is on Expressobeans:

"by jodeci78 on Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:06 pm
yup... i made a friend stop eating his dinner, take the bus, and buy me 10. they're shipping to me monday via xpresspot (trying to get someone to fly to edmonton & bring them to me to vancouver).
i have 10 available. $180 each shipped (canada/usa) on ebans. $200 on ebay."

I know this has been discussed before & will never end, but having merch tents outside the doors to the venues really opens it up to everyone without concert tickets. Limits, Proof of tix before being allowed to purchase.... I don't know.
I'm sure I've probably said something wrong, or offended someone, but I'm not bitching - just really disappointed.

boyo79

I agree with you. Shouldn't be allowed to happen but then if people are stupid enough to pay $200 for a poster.....

Aussie357

True - as long as people support it, it will continue.
I'd rather spend $500 and fly out to SF and buy one from Emek himself...........
Actually, that could be a fun weekend

Mudfest

There were actually posters available at the end of the show when i left ...
So supply was not an issue ...So I dont really have an issue with this guy ...

faceintheclouds

Gay. Should be in the good or shit thread.
SHIT.

waw

One can only hope he gets stuck with them all!

Ty

This guy is a fuck head. I missed out on and Emek Sydney at the show while cocks walked around with multiple posters.

CranMalReign

PJ doesn't want to hurt the secondary market for posters. In fact, they're helping the secondary market for posters! How very thoughtful and considerate of them!

timc

I get where you all are coming from! BUT I like the fact some of my gig and art posters appreciate in value! If there was not a secondary maket then that wouldn't happen! I like being able to sell other prints to buy more expensive prints! I have bought many prints on the secondary market such is life. One way to look at is some of those prints would be un-obtainable if not for the seondary market! I try to buy and sell so I can buy more with out using my money Fact art collecting buying selling is a hobby business.

Most artist like the secondary market means instant sellouts when they sell their stuff online or at art shows.

CranMalReign

timc wrote:

I get where you all are coming from! BUT I like the fact some of my gig and art posters appreciate in value! If there was not a secondary maket then that wouldn't happen! I like being able to sell other prints to buy more expensive prints! I have bought many prints on the secondary market such is life. One way to look at is some of those prints would be un-obtainable if not for the seondary market! I try to buy and sell so I can buy more with out using my money Fact art collecting buying selling is a hobby business.

Most artist like the secondary market means instant sellouts when they sell their stuff online or at art shows.

yes yes yes... but...

I just can't get unstuck on the "for the fans" BS the band always feeds us... and then they institute "for the flippers" policies.

They are so vocally anti ticket scalping... but actually promote what is essentially poster scalping.

I was still 20 people deep at the outside merch booth on day 2 of PJ20... the line was *easily* a few hundred people deep... when the poster sold out. You tell me that these posters aren't going to sell out anyway.

Also... if they want to insure they sell out, they need to start putting out some better prints than what has been floating around lately.

timc

Trust I feel your pain not just with gig prints but art prints! It is easier coming to terms with the fact you can't always buy from the drop! That is why I like having a decent collection to sell from to buy those higher priced ones. I am looking for a Ames MAUI 1998 500 cash you got one?

CranMalReign

timc wrote:

Trust I feel your pain not just with gig prints but art prints! It is easier coming to terms with the fact you can't always buy from the drop! That is why I like having a decent collection to sell from to buy those higher priced ones. I am looking for a Ames MAUI 1998 500 cash you got one?

Sorry, can't help. I don't sell posters. I just buy ones I think are awesome or mean something to me. Which is why this "secondary market" crap sucks so hard for me.

kramer73

Mudfest wrote:

There were actually posters available at the end of the show when i left ...
So supply was not an issue ...So I dont really have an issue with this guy ...

probably because you're doing the same thing.

Kel Varnsen

Mudfest wrote:

There were actually posters available at the end of the show when i left ...
So supply was not an issue ...So I dont really have an issue with this guy ...

That's why this sort of thing doesn't bother me any more. A few weeks ago I read Rick Harrison's book (the guy from Pawn Stars) and he talked about how once something is recognized as a collectible it is damn near impossible to make money off of it. I mean sure there are a ton of posters from 98 or earlier that are worth big money, just like there are a ton of comic books and baseball cards from the 60's or earlier that are worth tons. But in all three of those cases no one really knew they would be collectiable so with posters not many people bought them, and a bunch that did pinned them on their walls. Other than a few rare exceptions current posters aren't ever going to be worth the same cash that those old posters are, because these days all the people who want one make a point to buy one and keep it safe. I mean if you look at the prices on expressobeans for posters from the 05 Canadian tour, most of them are selling for the neighboorhood of 40-50 bucks. Even most 03 posters aren't really worth that much compared to their purchase price.There are even posters in the goods section that they are still selling from 09.

Plus if you buy 10 of these prints, you can't really sell them all at once or you will flood the market a bit and not get the highest price. But on the other hand if you wait and sell them slowly demand might have dropped by the time you finish selling the first few. Either way it is a huge gamble, and in the end I don't think it is a very profitable one.

Get_Right

dont hate the playa hate the game

the band could do more to make sure fans get the posters

I wonder why they dont have the pre-sales anymore?

CranMalReign

Get_Right wrote:

I wonder why they dont have the pre-sales anymore?

They don't want to hurt the secondary market. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Get_Right

CranMalReign wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

I wonder why they dont have the pre-sales anymore?

They don't want to hurt the secondary market. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Who is the horse?

CranMalReign

Get_Right wrote:

Who is the horse?

I believe Santos.

Here's what I turned up with a quick search... I did not delve exhaustively... but I do remember it coming up.

http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=165184&hilit=secondary+market&start=45#p3822437

Get_Right

CranMalReign wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

Who is the horse?

I believe Santos.

Here's what I turned up with a quick search... I did not delve exhaustively... but I do remember it coming up.

http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=165184&hilit=secondary+market&start=45#p3822437

Thanks.
Must be that the the value of Tim's collection went down when they did the pre-sales.

Aussie357

kramer73 wrote:

Mudfest wrote:

There were actually posters available at the end of the show when i left ...
So supply was not an issue ...So I dont really have an issue with this guy ...

probably because you're doing the same thing.

Ok, so I'm not trying to jump on anyone, make friends, or make enemies here, but just wanted to let kramer73 know that Mudfest and I actually had a short private conversation about this, and he had bought 2 of the Emeks in Edmonton, and was kind enough to sell me his second print at virtually cost plus shipping, so no - he's not doing the same thing (that I am aware of) Cheers Mud!
I didn't expect this much action on this post, and once again, I'm not bitching about it. What is surprising and a little disappointing to me (aside from the flippers, who we enable by paying their ridiculous prices) is that 10 Club (knowing that none of us can make it to every show) doesn't hold back a small number of posters from each show, for post concert sales on the website for die hard fans who appreciate the artists, or are collectors - and limit it to one per member. Or at least something along those lines.
Please don't misconstrue what I am saying - I have nothing but respect for all of 10 Club's efforts in trying to keep all of us picky, demanding, sometimes bitchy fans and members happy. I wouldn't want to have to do your job, so thank you.
I'm an old school fan, but relatively new to the Club, so I don't expect my posts to hold any weight, but everyone within the forums that I have had correspondence with has been great - a testament to true fans. I hope to meet as many of you as possible at future shows (GO U.S TOUR 2012!!! hint, hint)
Cheers,

Aus.

Mudfest

Aussie357 wrote:

kramer73 wrote:

Mudfest wrote:

There were actually posters available at the end of the show when i left ...
So supply was not an issue ...So I dont really have an issue with this guy ...

probably because you're doing the same thing.

Ok, so I'm not trying to jump on anyone, make friends, or make enemies here, but just wanted to let kramer73 know that Mudfest and I actually had a short private conversation about this, and he had bought 2 of the Emeks in Edmonton, and was kind enough to sell me his second print at virtually cost plus shipping, so no - he's not doing the same thing (that I am aware of) Cheers Mud!
I didn't expect this much action on this post, and once again, I'm not bitching about it. What is surprising and a little disappointing to me (aside from the flippers, who we enable by paying their ridiculous prices) is that 10 Club (knowing that none of us can make it to every show) doesn't hold back a small number of posters from each show, for post concert sales on the website for die hard fans who appreciate the artists, or are collectors - and limit it to one per member. Or at least something along those lines.
Please don't misconstrue what I am saying - I have nothing but respect for all of 10 Club's efforts in trying to keep all of us picky, demanding, sometimes bitchy fans and members happy. I wouldn't want to have to do your job, so thank you.
I'm an old school fan, but relatively new to the Club, so I don't expect my posts to hold any weight, but everyone within the forums that I have had correspondence with has been great - a testament to true fans. I hope to meet as many of you as possible at future shows (GO U.S TOUR 2012!!! hint, hint)
Cheers,

Aus.

Thanks for the props..Appreciated....

And there was no way I was waiting in another line at the end of the show to buy another poster.
I am curious though, did ANYONE not get a poster that didnt have an opportunity especially from 10C seats on the floor ?

M