Hadn't seen Christie before this morning on the news
I thought ...
there is a nice blue collar working mans candidate...
natural, a little portly which for many Americans may be a bit identifiable
and this lends to trusting him more in a basic human way . The kind of guy you sit down with and have a beer...
tell some Obama jokes
This was, of course, based on appearance, first impression and the fact I am an independent,
and one who likes most people or tries to.
Besides it matter not who holds that office... this we should see by now
keep dreaming, because none of the current crop is going to win. you would have to pray for something to happen to obama and have one of them run against biden...then they will have a shot.
obama has a few hundred million in the war chest and the gop is getting further and further to the right and that is against majority opinion... the gop is trailing in every poll i have seen to date so do the math....the gop can not win at this stage of the game.
This stage in the game is 12+ months before the election. I don't believe anyone can win.
Also, are you implying that elections can only be bought? :think:
this guy is getting endorsed by all the centrist / reasonable republicans ... i wouldn't be surprised if he does enter the race as right now the current crop is a disaster ... personally, i'd like to see him run and enter into the debates with the bunch now ... he should have a field day with perry, bachmann and romney ...
this guy is getting endorsed by all the centrist / reasonable republicans ... i wouldn't be surprised if he does enter the race as right now the current crop is a disaster ... personally, i'd like to see him run and enter into the debates with the bunch now ... he should have a field day with perry, bachmann and romney ...
he would be better off running when there is no incumbent, when it will be a toss up between both parties... if he runs now and loses he most likely won't run again in 2016.
i am sure he knows that, and that is why he has not entered the race...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don't follow NJ politics much, but have seen Christie several times on the national news shows and such. He comes across as a pretty straightforward guy. I'd have to take a much closer look, and he is probably as shady as every other politician, but he definitely doesn't seem to hang out on the lunatic fringe like the Perrys & Bachmanns of the world.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
this guy is getting endorsed by all the centrist / reasonable republicans ... i wouldn't be surprised if he does enter the race as right now the current crop is a disaster ... personally, i'd like to see him run and enter into the debates with the bunch now ... he should have a field day with perry, bachmann and romney ...
he would be better off running when there is no incumbent, when it will be a toss up between both parties... if he runs now and loses he most likely won't run again in 2016.
i am sure he knows that, and that is why he has not entered the race...
If he doesn't run now, he can't run in 2016, because the Republican candidate will win in 2012. Not saying that's a good thing, but if someone here actually thinks Obama will win in 2012 they are delusional. And it doesn't have to do with him being a good or not good President. It has to do with the fact that the economy is a train wreck. He will be blamed and lose.
Chris Christie's only shot is now. I think he has skeletons in the ol' closet and doesn't want to run for that reason.
If he doesn't run now, he can't run in 2016, because the Republican candidate will win in 2012. Not saying that's a good thing, but if someone here actually thinks Obama will win in 2012 they are delusional. And it doesn't have to do with him being a good or not good President. It has to do with the fact that the economy is a train wreck. He will be blamed and lose.
Chris Christie's only shot is now. I think he has skeletons in the ol' closet and doesn't want to run for that reason.
you can think obama will lose but to call people delusional when he potentially could be going up against rick perry is shortsighted ... polls have obama a full 20 pts ahead of perry right now ... i do think that it is the GOP's to lose especially with obama losing the jewish vote but if they put up perry or bachmann or romney - obama will likely beat those people ...
this guy is getting endorsed by all the centrist / reasonable republicans ... i wouldn't be surprised if he does enter the race as right now the current crop is a disaster ... personally, i'd like to see him run and enter into the debates with the bunch now ... he should have a field day with perry, bachmann and romney ...
he would be better off running when there is no incumbent, when it will be a toss up between both parties... if he runs now and loses he most likely won't run again in 2016.
i am sure he knows that, and that is why he has not entered the race...
I disagree. He can run this year, if he doesn't win all it does is get him national name recognition that he can use for 2016.
If he doesn't run now, he can't run in 2016, because the Republican candidate will win in 2012. Not saying that's a good thing, but if someone here actually thinks Obama will win in 2012 they are delusional. And it doesn't have to do with him being a good or not good President. It has to do with the fact that the economy is a train wreck. He will be blamed and lose.
Chris Christie's only shot is now. I think he has skeletons in the ol' closet and doesn't want to run for that reason.
you can think obama will lose but to call people delusional when he potentially could be going up against rick perry is shortsighted ... polls have obama a full 20 pts ahead of perry right now ... i do think that it is the GOP's to lose especially with obama losing the jewish vote but if they put up perry or bachmann or romney - obama will likely beat those people ...
Besides it matters not who holds that office... this we should see by now
Agreed.
Although Ron Paul would make that statement untrue.
I would fear to be as hopeful as you ... fear the disappointment, fear the truth
but there would be nothing I would hope more for than to believe just that.
As an NJ firefighter, I love that Chris Christie and those of his ilk across the country have taken away our bargaining rights, made us pay more money for less benefits, and continued to not pay into our pension fund which we have never missed a payment into.
Meanwhile, they refuse to raise taxes on the rich.
Christie himself sees no problem in double-dipping and collecting a pension that he was vested in after one day.
Welfare queens are still able to get more money for more babies.
AC's STATE-RUN district is one of the most violent in the nation, and losing money even during a national economic upturn.
And hey, Christie's administration costs more money than any previous governor's.
either way - you agree he beats Perry? ... or at the very least has a reasonable chance?
I think Obama would soundly defeat Perry.
And by the way, the first time I read your post, I thought you called Romney a "moron" not a "mormon".
I believe that with the economy the way it is, Mitt would beat Obama in a general election (and I think he'd be a better president too )
I think Romney has the only shot of a current GOP candidate beating Obama. I just wonder how much of the republican base and their ferver goes away if he's their nominee.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Let me tell you how this works. This ones on the house ok. I will be brief and keep it simple.
The Republicans do not yet know who is going to be on the ticket to take out the current occupant. I am interested in all of them and when one rises to the top I will be on his nutsack like a homosexual. Trump, Perry, Romney, Cain, Christie. Get it? Didn't think so. This is about ANYONE to take that son of a bitch out of office. Clear?
"Nutsack like a homosexual" -- seriously??
"Get it? Didn't think so."-- seriously??
"that son of a bitch"-- seriously??
This is typical republican obnoxiousness that is pushing people who are moderate and Independent towards the left and towards the democrats. The tone of the Tea Party, read Republican Party, is going to lose more votes than gain them. I wish that every time a person who has these fanatical right wing opinions was going to say something, they pulled out a mini-recorder, whispered their statements into said recorder, and played them back 2 minutes later. Then they can say "Holy shit, I sound like a maniac" and erased their idea. The recorder idea actually might raise the level of debate to something less myopic and at least somewhat tolerable.
I'm gone ..Long gone..This time I'm letting go of it all...So long...Cause this time I'm gone
As an NJ firefighter, I love that Chris Christie and those of his ilk across the country have taken away our bargaining rights, made us pay more money for less benefits, and continued to not pay into our pension fund which we have never missed a payment into.
Meanwhile, they refuse to raise taxes on the rich.
Christie himself sees no problem in double-dipping and collecting a pension that he was vested in after one day.
Welfare queens are still able to get more money for more babies.
AC's STATE-RUN district is one of the most violent in the nation, and losing money even during a national economic upturn.
And hey, Christie's administration costs more money than any previous governor's.
Your move, America.
Why is it that those employed by the government (teachers, firefighters, etc.) don't believe that they should have cutbacks during hard economic times? Have you looked at those in the private sector who are unemployed? Did they have cutbacks? Yes, so much so, that they lost their jobs! Just like the private sector, the government has to cut back in hard economic times. Christie was voted in to do what he did.
^^^^Huh?
My husband happens to be a public school teacher and has taken cuts and accepted it so don't go making those ridiculous sweeping comments, please.
Thank you.
So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
As an NJ firefighter, I love that Chris Christie and those of his ilk across the country have taken away our bargaining rights, made us pay more money for less benefits, and continued to not pay into our pension fund which we have never missed a payment into.
Meanwhile, they refuse to raise taxes on the rich.
Christie himself sees no problem in double-dipping and collecting a pension that he was vested in after one day.
Welfare queens are still able to get more money for more babies.
AC's STATE-RUN district is one of the most violent in the nation, and losing money even during a national economic upturn.
And hey, Christie's administration costs more money than any previous governor's.
Your move, America.
Why is it that those employed by the government (teachers, firefighters, etc.) don't believe that they should have cutbacks during hard economic times? Have you looked at those in the private sector who are unemployed? Did they have cutbacks? Yes, so much so, that they lost their jobs! Just like the private sector, the government has to cut back in hard economic times. Christie was voted in to do what he did.
That statement would at least have some merit if all of those employed by the government were subject to cutbacks as well. It's always the work and file employees that get nickeled and dimed with cutbacks, while the ones from the middle up feel no pain. Shared sacrifice is a great sounding political buzzword, but the sharing stops once you get to a certain pay grade.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
^^^^Huh?
My husband happens to be a public school teacher and has taken cuts and accepted it so don't go making those ridiculous sweeping comments, please.
Thank you.
That's fantastic.
All I know is I see a ridiculous amount of "sense of entitlement" from certain government employees, particularly through unions. I see it on TV all the time (particularly in NJ, WI and IN recently) and hear about it from friends and family.
Also, on another note, I find it particularly ridiculous that any grade school or high school public school teachers with maybe a Masters ... get paid almost twice what an average college professors PhD's salary.... That should never happen. It's completely 100% ass-backwards.
Yet, then you have these idiots marching for more rights (pension/money/etc.). To them, I say "F you". Some of you don't even deserve what "rights" your getting now.
As an NJ firefighter, I love that Chris Christie and those of his ilk across the country have taken away our bargaining rights, made us pay more money for less benefits, and continued to not pay into our pension fund which we have never missed a payment into.
Meanwhile, they refuse to raise taxes on the rich.
Christie himself sees no problem in double-dipping and collecting a pension that he was vested in after one day.
Welfare queens are still able to get more money for more babies.
AC's STATE-RUN district is one of the most violent in the nation, and losing money even during a national economic upturn.
And hey, Christie's administration costs more money than any previous governor's.
Your move, America.
Why is it that those employed by the government (teachers, firefighters, etc.) don't believe that they should have cutbacks during hard economic times? Have you looked at those in the private sector who are unemployed? Did they have cutbacks? Yes, so much so, that they lost their jobs! Just like the private sector, the government has to cut back in hard economic times. Christie was voted in to do what he did.
Can the congressmen/women/senators take a cut.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
That statement would at least have some merit if all of those employed by the government were subject to cutbacks as well. It's always the work and file employees that get nickeled and dimed with cutbacks, while the ones from the middle up feel no pain. Shared sacrifice is a great sounding political buzzword, but the sharing stops once you get to a certain pay grade.
I'm fine with equal cutbacks. That's not the point. Just cut something, and when the government does cut something (not even jobs just benefits), don't put on some "poor me" campaign. Look at your private sector brothers and sisters and how their out of work before you do. Then also think about the fact that they have been paying for your job to exist.
So, my point is simple. We pay them. We're their employer. we have a right to say we want them to cut their spending. It's our money, after all.
Let me tell you how this works. This ones on the house ok. I will be brief and keep it simple.
The Republicans do not yet know who is going to be on the ticket to take out the current occupant. I am interested in all of them and when one rises to the top I will be on his nutsack like a homosexual. Trump, Perry, Romney, Cain, Christie. Get it? Didn't think so. This is about ANYONE to take that son of a bitch out of office. Clear?
"Nutsack like a homosexual" -- seriously??
"Get it? Didn't think so."-- seriously??
"that son of a bitch"-- seriously??
This is typical republican obnoxiousness that is pushing people who are moderate and Independent towards the left and towards the democrats. The tone of the Tea Party, read Republican Party, is going to lose more votes than gain them. I wish that every time a person who has these fanatical right wing opinions was going to say something, they pulled out a mini-recorder, whispered their statements into said recorder, and played them back 2 minutes later. Then they can say "Holy shit, I sound like a maniac" and erased their idea. The recorder idea actually might raise the level of debate to something less myopic and at least somewhat tolerable.
Did usamammasan actually say he'd vote for Donald Trump for president?
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Did usamammasan actually say he'd vote for Donald Trump for president?
You have to consider the person he'd be running against.
I'd consider voting for the lunch lady if she ran against the current occupant of the White House.
Donald Trump is just an absolute idiot. I'd probably vote GWB over Trump.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Did usamammasan actually say he'd vote for Donald Trump for president?
you don't remember all of the threads he started talking about how trump is what america needs? it was trump before it was perry and before it was christie lol..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I thought ...
there is a nice blue collar working mans candidate...
natural, a little portly which for many Americans may be a bit identifiable
and this lends to trusting him more in a basic human way . The kind of guy you sit down with and have a beer...
tell some Obama jokes
This was, of course, based on appearance, first impression and the fact I am an independent,
and one who likes most people or tries to.
Besides it matter not who holds that office... this we should see by now
Also, are you implying that elections can only be bought? :think:
i am sure he knows that, and that is why he has not entered the race...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
If he doesn't run now, he can't run in 2016, because the Republican candidate will win in 2012. Not saying that's a good thing, but if someone here actually thinks Obama will win in 2012 they are delusional. And it doesn't have to do with him being a good or not good President. It has to do with the fact that the economy is a train wreck. He will be blamed and lose.
Chris Christie's only shot is now. I think he has skeletons in the ol' closet and doesn't want to run for that reason.
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Agreed.
Although Ron Paul would make that statement untrue.
you can think obama will lose but to call people delusional when he potentially could be going up against rick perry is shortsighted ... polls have obama a full 20 pts ahead of perry right now ... i do think that it is the GOP's to lose especially with obama losing the jewish vote but if they put up perry or bachmann or romney - obama will likely beat those people ...
I disagree. He can run this year, if he doesn't win all it does is get him national name recognition that he can use for 2016.
I'm not sure Obama beats Romney.
but there would be nothing I would hope more for than to believe just that.
not sure how people are voting for a mormon ...
either way - you agree he beats Perry? ... or at the very least has a reasonable chance?
I think Obama would soundly defeat Perry.
And by the way, the first time I read your post, I thought you called Romney a "moron" not a "mormon".
I believe that with the economy the way it is, Mitt would beat Obama in a general election (and I think he'd be a better president too
well ... the problem isn't who sits in the oval office ...
either way - it will be interesting to see if the tea party continues to take the republican party into some abyss ...
Meanwhile, they refuse to raise taxes on the rich.
Christie himself sees no problem in double-dipping and collecting a pension that he was vested in after one day.
Welfare queens are still able to get more money for more babies.
AC's STATE-RUN district is one of the most violent in the nation, and losing money even during a national economic upturn.
And hey, Christie's administration costs more money than any previous governor's.
Your move, America.
I think Romney has the only shot of a current GOP candidate beating Obama. I just wonder how much of the republican base and their ferver goes away if he's their nominee.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
"Nutsack like a homosexual" -- seriously??
"Get it? Didn't think so."-- seriously??
"that son of a bitch"-- seriously??
This is typical republican obnoxiousness that is pushing people who are moderate and Independent towards the left and towards the democrats. The tone of the Tea Party, read Republican Party, is going to lose more votes than gain them. I wish that every time a person who has these fanatical right wing opinions was going to say something, they pulled out a mini-recorder, whispered their statements into said recorder, and played them back 2 minutes later. Then they can say "Holy shit, I sound like a maniac" and erased their idea. The recorder idea actually might raise the level of debate to something less myopic and at least somewhat tolerable.
this is America!
Why is it that those employed by the government (teachers, firefighters, etc.) don't believe that they should have cutbacks during hard economic times? Have you looked at those in the private sector who are unemployed? Did they have cutbacks? Yes, so much so, that they lost their jobs! Just like the private sector, the government has to cut back in hard economic times. Christie was voted in to do what he did.
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My husband happens to be a public school teacher and has taken cuts and accepted it so don't go making those ridiculous sweeping comments, please.
Thank you.
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
That statement would at least have some merit if all of those employed by the government were subject to cutbacks as well. It's always the work and file employees that get nickeled and dimed with cutbacks, while the ones from the middle up feel no pain. Shared sacrifice is a great sounding political buzzword, but the sharing stops once you get to a certain pay grade.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
That's fantastic.
All I know is I see a ridiculous amount of "sense of entitlement" from certain government employees, particularly through unions. I see it on TV all the time (particularly in NJ, WI and IN recently) and hear about it from friends and family.
Also, on another note, I find it particularly ridiculous that any grade school or high school public school teachers with maybe a Masters ... get paid almost twice what an average college professors PhD's salary.... That should never happen. It's completely 100% ass-backwards.
Yet, then you have these idiots marching for more rights (pension/money/etc.). To them, I say "F you". Some of you don't even deserve what "rights" your getting now.
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I'm fine with equal cutbacks. That's not the point. Just cut something, and when the government does cut something (not even jobs just benefits), don't put on some "poor me" campaign. Look at your private sector brothers and sisters and how their out of work before you do. Then also think about the fact that they have been paying for your job to exist.
So, my point is simple. We pay them. We're their employer. we have a right to say we want them to cut their spending. It's our money, after all.
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I hope so.
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"typical republican obnoxiousness" -- seriously??
You have to consider the person he'd be running against.
I'd consider voting for the lunch lady if she ran against the current occupant of the White House.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."