$100 matt kemp wins it. Pm me if interested in taking the bet
gotta agree with Cliffy. To put up numbers like that for the team he is on, gotta give it to him.
.326 avg.
110 runs
37 homers
119 rbi
40 sb
Braun-
.329 avg.
105 runs
32 homers
107 rbi
32 sb.
plus he has another potential mvp candidate hitting right behind him in Prince Fielder.
It'll be close between Kemp and Braun but give it to Kemp. I think Upton will finish 4th in the voting behind Pujols.
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RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
yeah and steve carlton won 27 games for a team that won 60 something total 40 years ago. i just can't think of a team that's ever had both cy and mvp on same team.
yeah and steve carlton won 27 games for a team that won 60 something total 40 years ago. i just can't think of a team that's ever had both cy and mvp on same team.
Hershiser won the CY award in 1988 for the (World Champion) Dodgers, the same year Kirk Gibson (Dodgers) won the NL MVP, but I think you were asking if a bad team ever had that happen to them. I am not sure about that to be honest. I can't think of any bad team in recent years who had both a CY and MVP winner
I think Braun should get it.. Without Matt Kemp, the Dodgers wouldn't make the playoffs.. with him? They still didn't make it. Braun is a key part in the Brewers success.. that's value.
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I think Braun should get it.. Without Matt Kemp, the Dodgers wouldn't make the playoffs.. with him? They still didn't make it. Braun is a key part in the Brewers success.. that's value.
Eh, that's the whole value vs. Best argument. I think it's for the best player.
I think Braun should get it.. Without Matt Kemp, the Dodgers wouldn't make the playoffs.. with him? They still didn't make it. Braun is a key part in the Brewers success.. that's value.
this logic is pretty dumb. without fielder they don't make the playoffs either.
plus, kemp's numbers are better than braun's, which is the most important criteria
big surprise a Brewers fan predicting that a Brewers player will win MVP :roll:
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Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Considering Braun won the ROY over a more deserving Tulowitzki, I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the MVP over Kemp or Upton.
It'd be a travesty, but it wouldn't surprise me. Chicks dig the long ball, and Jay Mariotti gets a vote
That's not true Braun .324, .370, 34 hr, 15 sb/5 cs, 97 rbi, .634 slug, 26 errors in the field (113 games) vs. tulo .291, .359, 24 hr, 7 sb/6 cs, 99 rbi, .479 slug, 11 errors in the field (155 games) was not even close at the plate. Fielding you could put up some argument, but to say Tulo was "more deserving" without any justification in '07 is pretty silly. Now this year I agree that it should be Kemp, if it weren't for Braun he'd probably get to the triple crown - and he still might anyway.
Edit: Tulo's team made it to the playoffs with a very strong late season push that he was a major part of, but the Crew was only eliminated on the season's next to last day and were close because of his addition. Again, to say Braun winning ROY in '07 was a travesty is ridiculous.
Player #1:
.324 average, 37 HR, 120 RBI, .400 OBP, .581 Slug, 40 SB/11 CS, 158 Games
Player #2:
.333 average, 33 HR, 110 RBI, .396 OBP, .599 Slug, 31 SB/6 CS, 147 Games
Player #3:
.293 average, 35 HR, 114 RBI, ..408 OBP, .546 Slug, 1 SB/1 CS, 159 Games
Player #4:
.291 Average, 31 HR, 88 RBI, .372 OBP, .533 Slug, 21 SB/9 CS, 157 Games
Looking at the 4 guys mentioned on this thread without their names makes it pretty obvious that it's either 1 or 2. Given that #1 plays in a pitchers park where foul balls can lead to outs where in place like Fenway the ball falls harmlessly in the stands I go with him. However, if #2 wins because his team made it to the playoffs it wouldn't be a sham. #3 Doesn't get counting stats like 1,2, and 4 because he leads the league with like 110 walks (even the phils chose not to pitch to him in their september series), but he's still not as valuable. #4 whoever said him is seriously on some sort of drugs and alcohol. He shouldn't even be in this conversation.
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I didn't know there was a jockey named Matt Kemp?
It'd be a travesty, but it wouldn't surprise me. Chicks dig the long ball, and Jay Mariotti gets a vote
gotta agree with Cliffy. To put up numbers like that for the team he is on, gotta give it to him.
.326 avg.
110 runs
37 homers
119 rbi
40 sb
Braun-
.329 avg.
105 runs
32 homers
107 rbi
32 sb.
plus he has another potential mvp candidate hitting right behind him in Prince Fielder.
It'll be close between Kemp and Braun but give it to Kemp. I think Upton will finish 4th in the voting behind Pujols.
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If he doesn't win it it's a crime. Individual awards are dumb
maybe one, but not both at the same time.
Zack Greinke played on a pretty bad KC team, but they didn't have the MVP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cy_Young_Award
Andre Dawson on a bad Cubs team
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_MVP
yeah and steve carlton won 27 games for a team that won 60 something total 40 years ago. i just can't think of a team that's ever had both cy and mvp on same team.
Hershiser won the CY award in 1988 for the (World Champion) Dodgers, the same year Kirk Gibson (Dodgers) won the NL MVP, but I think you were asking if a bad team ever had that happen to them. I am not sure about that to be honest. I can't think of any bad team in recent years who had both a CY and MVP winner
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Eh, that's the whole value vs. Best argument. I think it's for the best player.
this logic is pretty dumb. without fielder they don't make the playoffs either.
plus, kemp's numbers are better than braun's, which is the most important criteria
big surprise a Brewers fan predicting that a Brewers player will win MVP :roll:
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Edit: Tulo's team made it to the playoffs with a very strong late season push that he was a major part of, but the Crew was only eliminated on the season's next to last day and were close because of his addition. Again, to say Braun winning ROY in '07 was a travesty is ridiculous.
.324 average, 37 HR, 120 RBI, .400 OBP, .581 Slug, 40 SB/11 CS, 158 Games
Player #2:
.333 average, 33 HR, 110 RBI, .396 OBP, .599 Slug, 31 SB/6 CS, 147 Games
Player #3:
.293 average, 35 HR, 114 RBI, ..408 OBP, .546 Slug, 1 SB/1 CS, 159 Games
Player #4:
.291 Average, 31 HR, 88 RBI, .372 OBP, .533 Slug, 21 SB/9 CS, 157 Games
Looking at the 4 guys mentioned on this thread without their names makes it pretty obvious that it's either 1 or 2. Given that #1 plays in a pitchers park where foul balls can lead to outs where in place like Fenway the ball falls harmlessly in the stands I go with him. However, if #2 wins because his team made it to the playoffs it wouldn't be a sham. #3 Doesn't get counting stats like 1,2, and 4 because he leads the league with like 110 walks (even the phils chose not to pitch to him in their september series), but he's still not as valuable. #4 whoever said him is seriously on some sort of drugs and alcohol. He shouldn't even be in this conversation.
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