Tax hike for the wealthy

unsung

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

tax them. free ride is over...

Wow. How is someone that employs people and earns getting a free ride?

Do you feel the free ride should also be over for those that have been on unemployment for 99 weeks getting a taxpayer funded check? What about the people on welfare their entire lives?

blueandwhite

unsung wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

tax them. free ride is over...

Wow. How is someone that employs people and earns getting a free ride?

Do you feel the free ride should also be over for those that have been on unemployment for 99 weeks getting a taxpayer funded check? What about the people on welfare their entire lives?

Here's my sarcastic response:

Perhaps people who have been without work for over a year should be forced to become indentured servants for the rich. They could work to earn back their freedom. Again, I qualify this as a sarcastic response as there are probably a good number of folks on the train who would actually support this idea.



Seriously, if you think living on welfare and dealing with the humiliation of being unable to find employment is a free ride then you're more than welcome to it. I very much doubt anybody would want to be as despised as an American welfare recipient. It's pretty easy to kick somebody when they're down and out.

Shawshank

fife wrote:

they tried to that before and what happen was that the rich just stopped buying big ticket items. a sales tax is great but does actually effect the poor and middle class more.

Where did they try this...and for how long??

BinauralJam

Godfather. wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Although with that being said, we spend more on military and defense than the next fucking 15 countries COMBINED, which amounts to over 40% of your federal tax dollar, so I think we could just cut that in half (or more) and have this thing taken care of in the next decade or so.

i beleive this is where ALL of our problems come from.

but it's also why we are the most powerful nation in the world in terms of battle field technology.

Godfather.

But cant we Hunker down, i don't see anyone trying to invade us ever, other than Mexico, but that's for economic reasons.

unsung

blueandwhite wrote:

Here's my sarcastic response:

Perhaps people who have been without work for over a year should be forced to become indentured servants for the rich.

If you pay income taxes you already are an indentured servant.

blueandwhite

unsung wrote:

blueandwhite wrote:

Here's my sarcastic response:

Perhaps people who have been without work for over a year should be forced to become indentured servants for the rich.

If you pay income taxes you already are an indentured servant.

How does paying taxes make you an indentured servant? Are you telling me that you're not free to change jobs in the US?

unsung

It has nothing to do with changing jobs. Do you have a choice in whether you pay income taxes or not?

Smellyman

Godfather. wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Although with that being said, we spend more on military and defense than the next fucking 15 countries COMBINED, which amounts to over 40% of your federal tax dollar, so I think we could just cut that in half (or more) and have this thing taken care of in the next decade or so.

i beleive this is where ALL of our problems come from.

but it's also why we are the most powerful nation in the world in terms of battle field technology.

Godfather.

Yay?

we kill great

Godfather.

BinauralJam wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Although with that being said, we spend more on military and defense than the next fucking 15 countries COMBINED, which amounts to over 40% of your federal tax dollar, so I think we could just cut that in half (or more) and have this thing taken care of in the next decade or so.

i believe this is where ALL of our problems come from.

but it's also why we are the most powerful nation in the world in terms of battle field technology.

Godfather.

But cant we Hunker down, i don't see anyone trying to invade us ever, other than Mexico, but that's for economic reasons.

dominance through superior fire power.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Smellyman wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Although with that being said, we spend more on military and defense than the next fucking 15 countries COMBINED, which amounts to over 40% of your federal tax dollar, so I think we could just cut that in half (or more) and have this thing taken care of in the next decade or so.

i beleive this is where ALL of our problems come from.

but it's also why we are the most powerful nation in the world in terms of battle field technology.

Godfather.

Yay?

we kill great

so you can live in a free country....and a better word would be efficiently.

Godfather.

Smellyman

Godfather. wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

but it's also why we are the most powerful nation in the world in terms of battle field technology.

Godfather.

Yay?

we kill great

so you can live in a free country....and a better word would efficiently.

Godfather.

there are a lot of free countries.

usamamasan1

ComeToTX wrote:

is more-outsourcing possible? Tax them! It hasn't worked the other way.

1st post. Welcome to class warfare.

usamamasan1

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

"By the time I feed my family, I have maybe $400,000 left over."

-- Rep. John Fleming (R-LA), in an interview on MSNBC, on why as a small business owner he can't afford a tax increase.

tax them. free ride is over...

Did you really just say that. Holy shit. Last time I heard such nonsense was here a days ago.

Free ride for THE taxpayers....ha

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

"By the time I feed my family, I have maybe $400,000 left over."

-- Rep. John Fleming (R-LA), in an interview on MSNBC, on why as a small business owner he can't afford a tax increase.

tax them. free ride is over...

Did you really just say that. Holy shit. Last time I heard such nonsense was here a days ago.

Free ride for THE taxpayers....ha

actually these rich pricks have gotten more welfare than all of the poor on welfare. they have been taken care of with tax breaks, some in the single digits of a percent, been bailed out by tax payers when necessary, had their industries deregulated to allow them to make more money....so yeah...the wealthy have benefitted enough under the current situation. why do they deserve a tax rate at a lower percent than the middle and lower classes?? surely not to create the jobs that they have not created in the last 10 years, right??? the middle and lower class pay an unfair burden when they have a higher percentage rate of their gross income going to the government. the rich can afford to pay more in taxes, so they should do the patriotic thing and offer to help keep the deficit from getting even more out of control.

the real class warfare is the rich against the rest of us...and it has always been that way...

Jason P

unsung wrote:

It has nothing to do with changing jobs. Do you have a choice in whether you pay income taxes or not?

In high school, my friend worked for a couple who owned a small farm and these farmers declared they were not going to pay taxes ... even going so far to declare their farm a sovereign nation. After the raid which included over 20 squad cars, several helicopters, and a joint local / federal task force surrounding an old man and women's house, they were taken off to prison and the feds took everything ... well, expect a boat that the farmer gave to my buddy because he saw the writing on the wall.

So, you do have a choice to pay income taxes .... you just may not like the result of one of those choices.

Jason P

I'm amazed that Obama can keep a straight face when he declares Warren Buffet's secretary is taxed more the Warren Buffet himself.

Anyway, the Democrats claim that the rich pay less taxes because of all the loopholes .... according to that logic, won't the rich still avoid paying taxes due to the loopholes even if there is a tax hike? The loopholes will still exist and the rich still won't pay taxes based on that logic. Almost everyone on this board in favor of a tax hike on the rich has brought this point up time and time again.

Why create a political storm?

A tax hike will do nothing to address the real problem. Tax reform and a balanced budget should be a higher priority for all Americans alike.

blueandwhite

unsung wrote:

It has nothing to do with changing jobs. Do you have a choice in whether you pay income taxes or not?

Again, how does paying taxes make you an indentured servant? I appreciate that you are opposed to any form of taxation, but to compare a business owner with an indentured servant is absurd. Indentured servants are workers who work for compensation other than money selling their freedom (which often includes basic rights such as the right to marry) for basic lodging and a place to work.

Taxation is a system by which government collects revenue from its citizens to maintain a certain level of infrastructure. There is nothing preventing you from moving to a jurisdiction with different tax rules. An indentured servant doesn't have any such option. You may think that taxation is the most serious form of abuse on the planet, but it still does not make you an indentured servant.

pandora

megatron wrote:

pandora wrote:

When we were making big bucks and JB worked 70 hours a week
I felt it unfair to be overly taxed
I felt it was a punishment for doing well, working hard, being smart,
providing jobs for 35 employees.

Then the economy went to shit ... JB still works 70 hours a week but makes little
and we can only employee 5 people.

Because I see it from both sides I say be thankful for what you have,
work hard, do well and pay more in taxes if you have it.
Millionaires have more to give and should give more,
not get tax breaks when the country is in trouble ...
their country is in trouble.

Greed is really a filthy thing and takes a heart
and squeezes it small so that it just can't give.

ahhh a reasonable point of view. how nice.
i am a broke ass now that used to make money. i get what you're saying.

You and me both,
I am a broke ass now and I have found there is a real positive side to that.
I appreciate what I have now much more than I did when I had it,
if that makes sense.

I also know what I need now... it is not what I want.

The "air" about me when we were high income is not one I am proud of.
I had it, I flaunted it, I used and abused it.

Money can blind people, control them, just like power. Money is power.

I was not a sensible candidate for it.... I'm afraid like many.
Greed a byproduct of power. Is there ever enough?

Living without is a character builder,
something our country could use and is slowly beginning to happen.

The Jones' can own anything they want it won't effect what I need.

I have no need to keep up with anyone anymore.
My happiness is generated elsewhere.
Yes, it is love...
costs nothing and you get to take it with you when you go

fife

Shawshank wrote:

fife wrote:

they tried to that before and what happen was that the rich just stopped buying big ticket items. a sales tax is great but does actually effect the poor and middle class more.

Where did they try this...and for how long??

when George bush sr. was president he made into law somethings called Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990.

however it was overturn pretty quickly as they saw that the very rich were just buying things overseas where this wasn't the case.

fife

unsung wrote:

It has nothing to do with changing jobs. Do you have a choice in whether you pay income taxes or not?

you do have that choice. you can move to a country that doesn't have income tax if you can find one. you can also decide to not pay your income tax but you might not like the results of that.