Pharmacist Fired for Shooting His Own Gun During Robbery

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Everyone in Michigan thinks Walgreens pharmacist Jeremy Hoven is a hero for using his own gun to scare off two armed men during a late night robbery at the store. Well, everyone that is except for his employer, who has subsequently fired Hoven from his pharmacy job for violating the company's non-escalation policy. I can't even begin to imagine what the Walgreens' bosses could be thinking with such an idiotic decision. It's not every day that someone loses their job for saving his own life and the lives of his co-workers.

Walgreens Pharmacist Fired for Shooting His Own Gun During Robbery (VIDEO)

My only question does Walgreens have a policy for employees to have a concealed weapon while at work? If they do I gather they can fire him even if he's protecting himself and his co-workers. This is a tough when jobs are so hard to find and it appears hard to keep.

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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    This makes me want to rob the place.
  • I suspect the Walgreens policy is in place to prevent them from being held legally liable for the acts of their employees. While I appreciate that the actions of the employee possibly saved lives, Walgreens isn't going to make an exception for anybody on something like this.
  • I suspect the Walgreens policy is in place to prevent them from being held legally liable for the acts of their employees. While I appreciate that the actions of the employee possibly saved lives, Walgreens isn't going to make an exception for anybody on something like this.


    No kidding. If walgreens doesn't have a policy and enforce it, and then an employee accidently shoots a couple of customers and a co-worker while trying to defend the cash register...guess who gets sued?
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  • I suspect the Walgreens policy is in place to prevent them from being held legally liable for the acts of their employees. While I appreciate that the actions of the employee possibly saved lives, Walgreens isn't going to make an exception for anybody on something like this.


    I understand that... and agree.

    The only issue I have is what the pharmacist said (from link):
    Hoven says the reason he even had the gun (and a concealed weapons permit) in the first place is because after the store was robbed back in 2006, Walgreens failed to improve security, and he felt unsafe.

    I'm just curious if Hovan raised his concerns to his employer, and if he did, could Walgreens be held liable if and employee was injured in this (or another) robbery?
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  • I suspect the Walgreens policy is in place to prevent them from being held legally liable for the acts of their employees. While I appreciate that the actions of the employee possibly saved lives, Walgreens isn't going to make an exception for anybody on something like this.


    I understand that... and agree.

    The only issue I have is what the pharmacist said (from link):
    Hoven says the reason he even had the gun (and a concealed weapons permit) in the first place is because after the store was robbed back in 2006, Walgreens failed to improve security, and he felt unsafe.

    I'm just curious if Hovan raised his concerns to his employer, and if he did, could Walgreens be held liable if and employee was injured in this (or another) robbery?


    What kind of security should there be?

    Walgreens is "liable" if an employee gets hurt at work regardless of the reason (almost all cases) through Worker's Comp. already.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    No kidding. If walgreens doesn't have a policy and enforce it, and then an employee accidently shoots a couple of customers and a co-worker while trying to defend the cash register...guess who gets sued?
    ...
    I totally agree... Why protect Walgreens' assets? If a fucker wants all the cash in the register... give it to him and get him out of the store as fast as possible. Toss in a case of beer and a carton of Salems if it gets him the fuck out so you can dial 9-1-1. It's Walgreens' cash, beer and cigarettes.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    No kidding. If walgreens doesn't have a policy and enforce it, and then an employee accidently shoots a couple of customers and a co-worker while trying to defend the cash register...guess who gets sued?
    ...
    I totally agree... Why protect Walgreens' assets? If a fucker wants all the cash in the register... give it to him and get him out of the store as fast as possible. Toss in a case of beer and a carton of Salems if it gets him the fuck out so you can dial 9-1-1. It's Walgreens' cash, beer and cigarettes.


    And here's the thing... the people at Walgreens...up at the top... agree with you. They care far less about a cash register and some product then they do about employees or customers being killed or potential lawsuits from shootouts.

    Let it go. Don't risk your life or others over some $ or beer.
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    how do we know the robber wouldn't have done more....like tie up the good doc and kill him? we don't. i say shoot first ask questions later in this case. fuck the thieves.

    just anouther reason why BIG business can be bad for america.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    81 wrote:
    how do we know the robber wouldn't have done more....like tie up the good doc and kill him? we don't. i say shoot first ask questions later in this case. fuck the thieves.

    just anouther reason why BIG business can be bad for america.


    +1
  • 81 wrote:
    just anouther reason why BIG business can be bad for america.


    Huh?

    Eliminate the wrongful death lawsuits against Walgreens and maybe they will change their policy.
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    81 wrote:
    just anouther reason why BIG business can be bad for america.


    Huh?

    Eliminate the wrongful death lawsuits against Walgreens and maybe they will change their policy.


    no...you missed the point...

    i was thinking more along the lines of when you had the little sole propeiter running his own little shop down the street on the corner...

    everything has become to corporate with walgreen's, walmart, etc etc etc....
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationn ... ction.html

    How do you know your not end up like one of these victims? And that store's been robbed before, fuck that. Protect yourself first and deal with all the bullshit consquences after i say.
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    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/pair-plead-guilty-in-pharmacy-murders-driven-by-painkiller-addiction.html

    How do you know your not end up like one of these victims? And that store's been robbed before, fuck that. Protect yourself first and deal with all the bullshit consquences after i say.

    Wow that was brutal and why I say this is a tough one when it comes to using a gun to protect yourself in this corporate environment. Apparently security was the same or lacking so what is an employee like this pharmacist supposed to do? Yes you do have the chance of accidently shooting someone other than the theives but you could also be shot for in-action or for no reason at all.

    I mean what can you do to force this company to provide more security...put up bullet proof glass? What if they take hostages and will having a concealed weapon help in that situation? I'm not an advocate for guns but at the very least have some kind of manned security in the store especially since it's been robbed before.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,271
    Cosmo wrote:
    No kidding. If walgreens doesn't have a policy and enforce it, and then an employee accidently shoots a couple of customers and a co-worker while trying to defend the cash register...guess who gets sued?
    ...
    I totally agree... Why protect Walgreens' assets? If a fucker wants all the cash in the register... give it to him and get him out of the store as fast as possible. Toss in a case of beer and a carton of Salems if it gets him the fuck out so you can dial 9-1-1. It's Walgreens' cash, beer and cigarettes.
    Its also their schedule 2 narcotics.


    Fucking SPEEDWAY gas stations have pull down bullet proof glass at the registers for late night. I should think this company and others would want to keep their narcotics protected. No? Fuckers go crazy over those oxy's.
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  • I suspect the Walgreens policy is in place to prevent them from being held legally liable for the acts of their employees. While I appreciate that the actions of the employee possibly saved lives, Walgreens isn't going to make an exception for anybody on something like this.


    I understand that... and agree.

    The only issue I have is what the pharmacist said (from link):
    Hoven says the reason he even had the gun (and a concealed weapons permit) in the first place is because after the store was robbed back in 2006, Walgreens failed to improve security, and he felt unsafe.

    I'm just curious if Hovan raised his concerns to his employer, and if he did, could Walgreens be held liable if and employee was injured in this (or another) robbery?


    What kind of security should there be?

    Walgreens is "liable" if an employee gets hurt at work regardless of the reason (almost all cases) through Worker's Comp. already.

    Yeah, I don't know... And if the store was robbed only in 2006, that really is pretty long ago. It's not like this place gets robbed all of the time.

    With the demand for pharmacy drugs, I am surprised pharmacies don't get robbed more often.
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