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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,886
    blackredyellow wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    The Gibson Guitar saga has taken a sinister turn.

    It seems that the Department of Justice wasn’t satisfied with merely raiding the law abiding factories of Gibson Guitar with armed agents, shutting down their operation costing them millions, and leaving the American company in the dark as to how to proceed without going out of business.

    Now, according to CEO Henry Juszkiewicz, agents of the United States government are bluntly informing them that they’d be better off shipping their manufacturing labor overseas.

    In an interview with KMJ AM’s “The Chris Daniel Show,” Juszkiewicz revealed some startling information.

    CHRIS DANIEL: Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?

    HENRY JUSZKIEWICZ: They actually wrote that in a pleading.

    No offense, but after reading a clearly biased line that line to start an article, I usually take what follows with a grain of salt.


    How is this a surprise? The law says the wood needs finished in India...so if they used labor over there to finish the wood they wouldn't have any legal issues. Personally, this is an issue that the federal government should be talking to India about as it's an attempt by India to keep jobs there, not free trade, and if they want it that way, we should have the same laws concerning products. Not to mention, phone calls to tech support. ;)
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    cincybearcat wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    The Gibson Guitar saga has taken a sinister turn.

    It seems that the Department of Justice wasn’t satisfied with merely raiding the law abiding factories of Gibson Guitar with armed agents, shutting down their operation costing them millions, and leaving the American company in the dark as to how to proceed without going out of business.

    Now, according to CEO Henry Juszkiewicz, agents of the United States government are bluntly informing them that they’d be better off shipping their manufacturing labor overseas.

    In an interview with KMJ AM’s “The Chris Daniel Show,” Juszkiewicz revealed some startling information.

    CHRIS DANIEL: Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?

    HENRY JUSZKIEWICZ: They actually wrote that in a pleading.

    No offense, but after reading a clearly biased line that line to start an article, I usually take what follows with a grain of salt.


    How is this a surprise? The law says the wood needs finished in India...so if they used labor over there to finish the wood they wouldn't have any legal issues. Personally, this is an issue that the federal government should be talking to India about as it's an attempt by India to keep jobs there, not free trade, and if they want it that way, we should have the same laws concerning products. Not to mention, phone calls to tech support. ;)


    Apparently this has to do with an US law too. (From: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 59286.html)
    The law ensnaring Gibson is the Lacey Act of 1900, originally passed to regulate trade in bird feathers used for hats and amended in 2008 to cover wood and other plant products. It requires companies to make detailed disclosures about wood imports and bars the purchase of goods exported in violation of a foreign country's laws.
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  • SatansFuton
    SatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    The funniest thing about this whole story (at least from the way the Right-leaning news sources are reporting it) is how Martin & Co. got dragged into the story just because their C.E.O. has supported Democratic campaigns. Lots of guitar manufacturers, like Fender for example, use Indian Rosewood, but their name hasn't been dragged into this, and I'm assuming that's because their C.E.O. isn't some hardcore Democrat, and it doesn't create the narrative that the Right wants.

    By the way, some of the reports make it sound like these agents went in guns blazing, or use file photos of swat teams to make it look like it was some big armed raid. Here is a picture some of the stories have been using,

    gibson%2Bguitar%2Braid%2B2.jpg

    When really it was like this

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    gibson%2Bguitar%2Braid%2B1.jpg

    They're making a big deal just over the fact they're armed, but of course they are, they're law enforcement. If a cop shows up to get a kitty our of your tree, or help you change a flat tire, he is technically doing so armed. For people who are so gung-ho about people's right to carry guns, you would think they wouldn't make such a big stink over cops having pistols holsters.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Heritage Guitars

    http://www.heritageguitar.com/history.html

    If you want the Gibson quality, but at a fraction of the price, why not buy a guitar built in the original Gibson factory by the original Gibson employees in Kalamazoo, MI???

    A few years back I got a real nice gold-top Les Paul for $1500 that would have been at least $3500 if the Gibson headstock was on it. I spoke over the phone with their luthiers to make sure it was custom made to my specifics and they were really helpful and courteous. They claimed the guy doing the finish was in his 80's and used to custom finish guitars for Zeppelin.

    It's worth checking out if you have been dreaming of a Les Paul but can't afford Gibson's mark-up.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    Jason P wrote:
    Heritage Guitars

    http://www.heritageguitar.com/history.html

    If you want the Gibson quality, but at a fraction of the price, why not buy a guitar built in the original Gibson factory by the original Gibson employees in Kalamazoo, MI???

    A few years back I got a real nice gold-top Les Paul for $1500 that would have been at least $3500 if the Gibson headstock was on it. I spoke over the phone with their luthiers to make sure it was custom made to my specifics and they were really helpful and courteous. They claimed the guy doing the finish was in his 80's and used to custom finish guitars for Zeppelin.

    It's worth checking out if you have been dreaming of a Les Paul but can't afford Gibson's mark-up.
    heritage guitars now are how the gibsons used to be. much better quality without the name. any gibson newer than late 70s is technically not a gibson how they used to be made.

    i did not click the link at work, but i know all of the original heritage people were all long time luthiers and guitar makers at gibson who left gibson to start their own company to uphold the "heritage" and legacy of what gibson once was.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Jason P wrote:
    Heritage Guitars

    http://www.heritageguitar.com/history.html

    If you want the Gibson quality, but at a fraction of the price, why not buy a guitar built in the original Gibson factory by the original Gibson employees in Kalamazoo, MI???

    A few years back I got a real nice gold-top Les Paul for $1500 that would have been at least $3500 if the Gibson headstock was on it. I spoke over the phone with their luthiers to make sure it was custom made to my specifics and they were really helpful and courteous. They claimed the guy doing the finish was in his 80's and used to custom finish guitars for Zeppelin.

    It's worth checking out if you have been dreaming of a Les Paul but can't afford Gibson's mark-up.
    Their H555 is gorgeous.
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  • SatansFuton
    SatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    Jason P wrote:
    I spoke over the phone with their luthiers to make sure it was custom made to my specifics and they were really helpful and courteous. They claimed the guy doing the finish was in his 80's and used to custom finish guitars for Zeppelin.

    They could tell me that their luthier once pumped gas for Jimmy Page at a filling station and I'd be sold.
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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Here, for those of you that care you can listen to the CEO of Gibson being interviewed by Mark levin. Whatever opinion you may have of the talk show host is irevalant. The interview takes place during the last 20 minutes of the show. Don't worry you lefties don't have to listen to the whole show bcos you can scrub it. And then you can form your own opinion is to why they were raided.


    8/30/11 broadcast.

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930#
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Their H555 is gorgeous.
    Agreed! :thumbup:
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  • SatansFuton
    SatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    WaveCameCrashin wrote:
    Here, for those of you that care you can listen to the CEO of Gibson being interviewed by Mark levin. Whatever opinion you may have of the talk show host is irevalant. The interview takes place during the last 20 minutes of the show. Don't worry you lefties don't have to listen to the whole show bcos you can scrub it. And then you can form your own opinion is to why they were raided.


    8/30/11 broadcast.

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930#

    He talked a lot, but didn't say very much. And of course gave his version of events. I don't wish anything bad on Gibson, but I think they broke the law here, I don't think anybody will go to prison, just pay your fines and follow the law from now on.

    And if the wood was so legal as he claimed, why was the shipment falsely labeled, and why did they have a false destination (a California luthier) for the wood, and instead of going there was diverted to the Gibson plants?

    I don't think all of this is that big of a deal, but they should just own up to it, and not try to make some political issue out of it. They broke the law, deal with it.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    SatansFuton wrote:
    WaveCameCrashin wrote:
    Here, for those of you that care you can listen to the CEO of Gibson being interviewed by Mark levin. Whatever opinion you may have of the talk show host is irevalant. The interview takes place during the last 20 minutes of the show. Don't worry you lefties don't have to listen to the whole show bcos you can scrub it. And then you can form your own opinion is to why they were raided.


    8/30/11 broadcast.

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930#

    He talked a lot, but didn't say very much. And of course gave his version of events. I don't wish anything bad on Gibson, but I think they broke the law here, I don't think anybody will go to prison, just pay your fines and follow the law from now on.

    And if the wood was so legal as he claimed, why was the shipment falsely labeled, and why did they have a false destination (a California luthier) for the wood, and instead of going there was diverted to the Gibson plants?

    I don't think all of this is that big of a deal, but they should just own up to it, and not try to make some political issue out of it. They broke the law, deal with it.
    I agree. If they screwed up and broke the law, be open about it, deal with it and make better choices next time. It's not like enough people are going to ban Gibsons to make a difference anyway. Gison is not the next Edsel.
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    It is funny seeing people wanting to up hold the law.
    Why isn’t that the attitude when we discuss illegal immigrants
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    aerial wrote:
    It is funny seeing people wanting to up hold the law.
    Why isn’t that the attitude when we discuss illegal immigrants

    I don't see the connection. I don't recall seeing any posts on AMT in which someone has advocated that we should not uphold any laws what-so-ever.
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  • SatansFuton
    SatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    aerial wrote:
    It is funny seeing people wanting to up hold the law.
    Why isn’t that the attitude when we discuss illegal immigrants

    I've never discussed illegal immigration at all on this board, so I don't think I've made my views on the subject known. But that doesn't have jack shit to do with this topic. If somebody on this board were, let's say, in support of not prosecuting illegal immigrants, that doesn't mean that they believe all laws should not be upheld and that there should be anarchy. They just disagree with those laws. If somebody is against pot laws, that doesn't mean they think that burglars shouldn't be punished.

    I think the point here is that Gibson should just shut up and pay their fine or whatever and not act like they're political martyrs for getting busted.
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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    I don't know? I mean why the hell would they even need to break the law any way? They are a multi million dollar company and it just seems to me that they wouldnt make such a careless choice if that's what they did. It's interesting none the less.
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    WaveCameCrashin wrote:
    I don't know? I mean why the hell would they even need to break the law any way? They are a multi million dollar company and it just seems to me that they wouldnt make such a careless choice if that's what they did. It's interesting none the less.

    BIG INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES
    Have managers who make bad decisions all the time. just because they make fantastic gutars dosnt mean that some doofus sitting in an office choosing contracts for the supply of timber for the necks of the guitars may just choose a dodgy indian company based solely on cost. on promise of good supply.

    If Obama wasnt in office they still would have been raided.
    So gibson makes guitars, does this make em angels or somthing. They like all others is a company trying to make $$$$. they can do wrong. even with great company ethos a bad manager can do a lot of bad things
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  • bennett13
    bennett13 Posts: 439
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    It is funny seeing people wanting to up hold the law.
    Why isn’t that the attitude when we discuss illegal immigrants

    I don't see the connection. I don't recall seeing any posts on AMT in which someone has advocated that we should not uphold any laws what-so-ever.


    What about laws providing for the death penalty for certain heinous crimes?
  • bennett13
    bennett13 Posts: 439
    brianlux,

    I think I misunderstood your post at first...I thought you were saying that no one on this board has ever advocated not upholding a law.

    Upon further review, it seems you were saying that no one on this board has ever advocated throwing all laws out the window in favor of total anarchy.

    Please disregard my previous post.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    this law like many other laws are to protect corporate interests ... this raid, similar to the raid against a raw milk co-op in california, is designed to protect the rackets that are commonly known as the <insert industry> association of america ...

    gov't these days is just doing the bidding of corporate interests ... so, don't look to obama ... look to the corporate lobbyists that have a firm grip in washington ...

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