Remember Romney said, "Corporations are people"?

unsung

This guy says otherwise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... s7-1Nemrng

keeponrockin

unsung wrote:

This guy says otherwise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... s7-1Nemrng

I truly hope he gets the GOP nomination.

Unfortunately, the guy is ACTUALLY a conservative, and not a conservative when it's convenient (unlike the rest of the GOP) so he won't.

CROJAM95

He's the only one who has a Brain looking for the Nomination

I'm left of center, And I'd vote for him. It's so easy to tell if someone is giving lip service or truly wants to fight for the majority

All the others are full of shit fighting for 1 or 2% of Americans

inlet13

I am a huge fan of Ron Paul, and think he's starting to get traction: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/08/jon-stewart-ron-paul/41311/

Nevertheless, I think picking on Romney for this was just dumb. He meant corporations are made up of people, and in that sense, he's right. There's so many more worthwhile issues to discuss than this one.

gimmesometruth27

inlet13 wrote:

I am a huge fan of Ron Paul, and think he's starting to get traction: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/08/jon-stewart-ron-paul/41311/

Nevertheless, I think picking on Romney for this was just dumb. He meant corporations are made up of people, and in that sense, he's right. There's so many more worthwhile issues to discuss than this one.

how is it fair when corporations can now give unlimited amounts of money for political races? they have the ability to buy and sell politicians at will.

inlet13

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

I am a huge fan of Ron Paul, and think he's starting to get traction: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/08/jon-stewart-ron-paul/41311/

Nevertheless, I think picking on Romney for this was just dumb. He meant corporations are made up of people, and in that sense, he's right. There's so many more worthwhile issues to discuss than this one.

how is it fair when corporations can now give unlimited amounts of money for political races? they have the ability to buy and sell politicians at will.

Who decides what's "fair" and what's not fair? Fairness is incredibly subjective.

Regardless, your point has nothing to do with what I said.

gimmesometruth27

inlet13 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

I am a huge fan of Ron Paul, and think he's starting to get traction: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/08/jon-stewart-ron-paul/41311/

Nevertheless, I think picking on Romney for this was just dumb. He meant corporations are made up of people, and in that sense, he's right. There's so many more worthwhile issues to discuss than this one.

how is it fair when corporations can now give unlimited amounts of money for political races? they have the ability to buy and sell politicians at will.

Who decides what's "fair" and what's not fair? Fairness is incredibly subjective.

Regardless, your point has nothing to do with what I said.

i accidently quoted you instead of hitting reply....

but how is it remotely a level playing field when a candidate can raise a million bucks in small private donations and a corporation with unlimited resources can come in and give his opponent 3 million? that person is then beholden to that corporation's interests. it taints the system.

inlet13

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i accidently quoted you instead of hitting reply....

but how is it remotely a level playing field when a candidate can raise a million bucks in small private donations and a corporation with unlimited resources can come in and give his opponent 3 million? that person is then beholden to that corporation's interests. it taints the system.

My original reply stands... a level playing field is very, very subjective. What is exactly level? Is it only level if your side has the advantage? Who's the judge?

I think your comment here is an ideological one, more than "looking out for the good of the system". That said, I came in here to comment on the simple fact that corporations are made up of people and that is 100% true. I also believe there's more important things to discuss than semantics.

gimmesometruth27

inlet13 wrote:

My original reply stands... a level playing field is very, very subjective. What is exactly level? Is it only level if your side has the advantage? Who's the judge?

I think your comment here is an ideological one, more than "looking out for the good of the system". That said, I came in here to comment on the simple fact that corporations are made up of people and that is 100% true. I also believe there's more important things to discuss than semantics.

i'm not surprised that you don't see anything wrong with that scenario i gave. the corporations will spend an unmatchable amount of money to make sure their guy gets elected and they will slander their opponent mercilessly. only a corporate candidate can win anymore.

citizens united is the worst supreme court decision in the last 50 years.

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

My original reply stands... a level playing field is very, very subjective. What is exactly level? Is it only level if your side has the advantage? Who's the judge?

I think your comment here is an ideological one, more than "looking out for the good of the system". That said, I came in here to comment on the simple fact that corporations are made up of people and that is 100% true. I also believe there's more important things to discuss than semantics.

i'm not surprised that you don't see anything wrong with that scenario i gave. the corporations will spend an unmatchable amount of money to make sure their guy gets elected and they will slander their opponent mercilessly. only a corporate candidate can win anymore.

citizens united is the worst supreme court decision in the last 50 years.

Most corporations have to careful as evidenced by Target's decision last year to donate $150K to a guy running in Minnesota for governor. I'm sure they spent 100 times that in public relations clean up, plus all the lost revenue from those that boycotted the store.

I'm with you that they should not be able to make mass donations, but it appears that the free market may keep them in check. The last thing you want to due is face a boycott by 35% of America if you are running a company for profit. Especially true in the current media age of Facebook and Twitter.

butterjam

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

My original reply stands... a level playing field is very, very subjective. What is exactly level? Is it only level if your side has the advantage? Who's the judge?

I think your comment here is an ideological one, more than "looking out for the good of the system". That said, I came in here to comment on the simple fact that corporations are made up of people and that is 100% true. I also believe there's more important things to discuss than semantics.

i'm not surprised that you don't see anything wrong with that scenario i gave. the corporations will spend an unmatchable amount of money to make sure their guy gets elected and they will slander their opponent mercilessly. only a corporate candidate can win anymore.

citizens united is the worst supreme court decision in the last 50 years.

This is one reason why I am voting for Ron Paul. Corporations hate him. Its funny how liberals can bash this decision, but yet still vote for Obama despite all of the special interest money he receives.

Parachute

Corporations are a group of people, that make a product or supply a service for a profit.

That's how people have jobs.

Don't buy the Kenyan Marxist's class warfare bullshit.

Without corporations, we'd all be fucked.

Without government, we'd all be free.

butterjam

Without gov't bailing out corporations and giving them handouts, we'd all be better off.

fife

Parachute wrote:

Corporations are a group of people, that make a product or supply a service for a profit.

That's how people have jobs.

Don't buy the Kenyan Marxist's class warfare bullshit.

Without corporations, we'd all be fucked.

Without government, we'd all be free.

Free in what way? who would pay the police, the military that you want to keep funded for. I understand you don't like government but be honest, you would be the opposite of free if you had no government.

unsung

inlet13 wrote:

I am a huge fan of Ron Paul, and think he's starting to get traction: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/08/jon-stewart-ron-paul/41311/

Nevertheless, I think picking on Romney for this was just dumb. He meant corporations are made up of people, and in that sense, he's right. There's so many more worthwhile issues to discuss than this one.

He was asked a direct question and gave a direct answer. Isn't that what we want from elected officials?

Parachute

311jj wrote:

Without gov't bailing out corporations and giving them handouts, we'd all be better off.

YES. If they fail, they fail. The market will replace them.

Parachute

fife wrote:

Parachute wrote:

Corporations are a group of people, that make a product or supply a service for a profit.

That's how people have jobs.

Don't buy the Kenyan Marxist's class warfare bullshit.

Without corporations, we'd all be fucked.

Without government, we'd all be free.

Free in what way? who would pay the police, the military that you want to keep funded for. I understand you don't like government but be honest, you would be the opposite of free if you had no government.

Limited gov't.

We are living in soft tyranny.

Don't say that the only options we have are this mess or anarchy. That's the last groat of gov't tit-suckers.
"What about roads, and infrastructure, and blah, blah." This gov't is a fucking monster.
We need to kill it.

Kraven

Parachute wrote:

Limited gov't.

We are living in soft tyranny.

Don't say that the only options we have are this mess or anarchy. That's the last groat of gov't tit-suckers.
"What about roads, and infrastructure, and blah, blah." This gov't is a fucking monster.
We need to kill it.

Yeah because the interstate highway system was such an awful thing, damn that Dwight D. Eisenhower!

catefrances

inlet13 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i accidently quoted you instead of hitting reply....

but how is it remotely a level playing field when a candidate can raise a million bucks in small private donations and a corporation with unlimited resources can come in and give his opponent 3 million? that person is then beholden to that corporation's interests. it taints the system.

My original reply stands... a level playing field is very, very subjective. What is exactly level? Is it only level if your side has the advantage? Who's the judge?

I think your comment here is an ideological one, more than "looking out for the good of the system". That said, I came in here to comment on the simple fact that corporations are made up of people and that is 100% true. I also believe there's more important things to discuss than semantics.

i think a level playing field would be a ban on corporate donations, or donations from rich fatcats to political candidates.

Cosmo

inlet13 wrote:

He meant corporations are made up of people, and in that sense, he's right.

...
Can't the same be said about 'Government'? Isn't Government made up of people, too? Not just politicians (similar to CEOs and executive officers), but regular working stiffs, like secretaries, security officers, park rangers, etc... they are all people... right?

brianlux

When I hear "Corporations are a group of people", I think-- yeah, but which people? I wonder if when those who say corporations are a group of people do they really mean co-operatives? My small business is a co-operative. Hey, and I'm not even a Marxist! Our co-operative is a group of people who work together on equal footing. And not to promote myself or anything, but I really do think people like us more than corporations!

And I like what keeponrockin said about Ron Paul being ACTUALLY a conservative and not just one when it's convenient. Old school conservatives actually believe in things like, well, conserving. Not all bad if you know what I mean. And you heard that from a left-leaning kind of guy.

Cosmo

brianlux wrote:

When I hear "Corporations are a group of people", I think-- yeah, but which people? I wonder if when those who say corporations are a group of people do they really mean co-operatives? My small business is a co-operative. Hey, and I'm not even a Marxist! Our co-operative is a group of people who work together on equal footing. And not to promote myself or anything, but I really do think people like us more than corporations!

And I like what keeponrockin said about Ron Paul being ACTUALLY a conservative and not just one when it's convenient. Old school conservatives actually believe in things like, well, conserving. Not all bad if you know what I mean. And you heard that from a left-leaning kind of guy.

...
Agree with that 'Corporations are people, too' song thing. Kind of a lame argurement
Can't it be said that ANY group of people with a similar purpose... are people, too? Like the 8-Tray Crips... or Al Qaeda... or the Westboro Baptist Church... or the Tea Party... or the Girl Scouts. All of them are groups of people with a like minded goal or purpose... whether it be Wal-Mart, selling goods or Girl Scouts selling cookies or the Crips selling pot, the "______ are people, too' slogan applies.

brianlux

Cosmo wrote:

brianlux wrote:

When I hear "Corporations are a group of people", I think-- yeah, but which people? I wonder if when those who say corporations are a group of people do they really mean co-operatives? My small business is a co-operative. Hey, and I'm not even a Marxist! Our co-operative is a group of people who work together on equal footing. And not to promote myself or anything, but I really do think people like us more than corporations!

And I like what keeponrockin said about Ron Paul being ACTUALLY a conservative and not just one when it's convenient. Old school conservatives actually believe in things like, well, conserving. Not all bad if you know what I mean. And you heard that from a left-leaning kind of guy.

...
Agree with that 'Corporations are people, too' song thing. Kind of a lame argurement
Can't it be said that ANY group of people with a similar purpose... are people, too? Like the 8-Tray Crips... or Al Qaeda... or the Westboro Baptist Church... or the Tea Party... or the Girl Scouts. All of them are groups of people with a like minded goal or purpose... whether it be Wal-Mart, selling goods or Girl Scouts selling cookies or the Crips selling pot, the "______ are people, too' slogan applies.

Damn, Cosmo, I know their was something behind those phony get ups. The sashes, the badges, the little commie hats. Girl Scouts! Watch out, America!

brianlux

Hey, now before anybody gets upset, I was a Boy Scout. Yeah we had to learn the pledge and god and country and all that, but some of it was great-- learning to make fires, sleeping in the rain, sitting close to the camp fire so no one would notice the cigs cupped in our hands. Beside, Keith Richards was a Boy Scout.

Ok, back to Mr. Paul...

inlet13

Cosmo wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

He meant corporations are made up of people, and in that sense, he's right.

...
Can't the same be said about 'Government'? Isn't Government made up of people, too? Not just politicians (similar to CEOs and executive officers), but regular working stiffs, like secretaries, security officers, park rangers, etc... they are all people... right?

Yes, they are. And I do think someone could try to draw that line without my contention.

puremagic

Ron Paul and Congress could have challenged the Citizen United ruling defining corporations as individuals, by demonstrating that Corporations are nothing more than legal documentation. When Bill Gates votes, he doesn't get to get back in line and sign in as Microsoft and vote. He doesn't get to then vote again as the Bill Gates Foundation. Yet, under Citizen United Bill Gates can give all the money he wants to buy any politician or judge to sponsor legislation or rule in his favor to benefit his Corporate activities without the same limitations imposed on personal donations.

Ron Paul saying Corporations aren't people doesn't mean shit because he had the opportunity to prove his statement and didn't.