Ron Paul on debt deal

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

What I don't understand, those on both sides say their serious but aren't even taking a LOOK at Military spending. Why?

Doesn't that blow your mind? The pentagon got a f'ing increase this year.

I'll save us 2 trillion in ten years: chop 200 billion from defense, everything else stays.

i guess we can't back down from or appear soft in the war on turr...

the military and pentagon always gets their fucking funding. that is the first rule of united states fiscal policy. everything else is not a priority.

I agree.

Does this change your opinion on raising taxes when you know that military will get the bulk of our money and have top priority over other programs?

VINNY GOOMBA

CH156378 wrote:

unsung wrote:

CH156378 wrote:

ron paul will never be president.

Care to respond to what he said or do you just troll every Ron Paul thread with the same simple thought?

yeah. i love that he took the same position as michelle bachman and sarah palin.

Go on youtube, and re-visit the Republican presidential debates in 2008 to see where the other candidates stood in relation to Ron Paul on every issue. None of them were even close. See where they stand now. They're not Ron Paul, but they've certainly come his way at least in what they say-- especially on the economy. They have a ways to go on social issues and foreign policy, but many of them have become significantly less hawkish in that regard. Part of it may be because Obama has proven to be quite a hawk when it comes to war himself, and isn't all that socially "liberal," and it's natural for the "right" to simply oppose him on whatever he says. The other part of it is that the people of this country DO want progress, although we argue about whether to bring it abouv via force or choice. My point is though, that many of Paul's ideas are becoming more popular-- they appeal to both liberals and conservatives because both sides of the political spectrum agree that government and business can be abusive, especially when they get in bed with each other. If people in this country want to make marriage illegal, it should be that marriage and that marriage only that is illegal: corporations and government. People like Bachmann and Palin are true politicans and will say what the people want to hear. The country, and mostly the conservative section of this country has changed significantly since 2007 away from the neo-con viewpoint and are moving towards a libertarian viewpoint. It's far from a majority, but politicans are recognizing a trend, and are attempting to be the first ones to not only echo the ideas of this trend, but to claim them as their own ideas entirely.

Now go youtube a Ron Paul video from before 2000. No, 1990. No wait, 1980. 1970 even? You will find his positions are consistent with what they are today. His ideas are principled and rooted in classical liberalism and Austrian Economics, and if you give the guy more than a 30 second sound byte, you will find that he has given serious thought to every position he takes when he votes. I urge people to read his books to get a full idea of what Ron Paul is all about and has been about his entire career. Just because a few morons from the Tea Party movement try to spout off flashcard memorization of his ideas while being wrapped in a prettier package doesn't make those ideas bad ones. Are you going to stop listening to Pearl Jam because a few drunk morons at their concerts can't control themselves and scream for Betterman and Jeremy constantly?

VINNY GOOMBA

Ron Paul introduces a bill to cancel our obligations to the Fed:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/h ... by-the-fed

mikepegg44

JonnyPistachio wrote:

decent read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/opini ... ml?_r=1&hp

JonnyPistachio wrote:

decent read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/opini ... ml?_r=1&hp

Saying that the downturn of 1937 was "caused" by reigning in deficit spending is not at all telling the whole story. Back to the idea of spending, this is an interesting quote from FDR's treasury secretary talking about fighting the depression with spending, “We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.” the fact is that government spending is not the cure all it is made out to be when talking about the economic recovery, nor was stopping it the only reason for any recession.

http://mises.org/daily/4039
pretty interesting opinion piece here as well talking about the cited 1937 recovery.

We get it, the tea partiers are terrorists that want to destroy the country...hmmm sounds familiar...like when those same tea partiers were called fear mongering assholes and liars when they said that obama was a socialist who wanted to destroy the country...I wonder if either side really wants to destroy America...I am guessing no.

xavier mcdaniel

I'm not sure what to make of Ron Paul, but I think he's someone worth looking into, especially after the fiasco and embarrassing displays by our federal government during this debt ceiling nonsense.