is there ONE right way to raise a child?

mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,285
edited August 2011 in A Moving Train
read some stuff recently that brought this question to mind.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    By walking in his/her shoes :?

    There is no ONE right way but many. All with outcomes that can be as successful as others. But what does one judge 'outcome' on? What are the benchmarks?

    I think the way my husband and I raised our daughter has been successful up to now. A teen, no drama, open relationship (though each with our own 'space'), she trusts us, we trust her - even if we don't tell each other everything. She knows we do our 'adult' business like she does her 'teen business and we respect that. We raised her to do her best in all aspects of her life and supported her in her choices. We are not strict parents and my daughter has a lot of 'leeway' (which she does not abuse). It works.

    My good friends raised their daughters in a much stricter manner, more controlled, etc. Following them much closer and 'suggesting' things in a much stronger manner. I consider them to have been very successful as well. (Our daughters are the same age and have been friends since babies).

    Different cultures will have different views on how to raise children, same with families from different socio-economic groups. I say whatever works for the family.
  • ClaireackClaireack Posts: 13,561
    Tend to agree with Redrock.

    There are so many variables.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    The only one right way I can think of, universally, is with a lot of love. I know it's general, but...
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?

    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled? Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    Jeanwah wrote:
    The only one right way I can think of, universally, is with a lot of love. I know it's general, but...

    This is what I was thinking too! :D

    I was also wondering if one could say that the best approach was one based upon the child's unique personality? Even within one family, children are individuals that may need a different parenting style.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    redrock wrote:
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?

    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled? Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!

    It's such a broad term... but always ultimately good. ;) Wishy-washy love? Never heard of it. :lol:
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    redrock wrote:
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?


    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled?
    Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!

    absolutely not. you encourage them if they show an interest in something.. but you NEVER push them into anything they show zero interest in. they need to find their own way and you need to be their for support.


    by successful what do you mean? financially? cause from where im standing the measure of a successful life isnt money. and that should never be the reason to do anything.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,435
    As Jeanwah said, love comes first. Of course love also means saying "no" when appropriate. Accepting the fact that your kids will not turn out exactly the way you want them and encourage their natural healthy aptititudes.

    I'd also go as far as to say not to over-protect kids. I'm not saying you should let them dangle themselves over Yosemite Falls or play on the freeway but I think kids need to explore and that might mean moving to the edge a little, so-to-speak. I helped raise my nephews for a few years and we explored woods and rode our bicycles on some rough trails. We all got a few bumps and bruises but we weren't foolish about what we did and it was all good.
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    related to topic but no so broad...
    i kind of like what i read once about how the Obama's have their kids do one sport/activity they like and one that the parents choose, that they may not like so much...every year. This way they try new things and at the same time have to also do something they are not that into. Kind of a good life lesson because we can't always do what we want.
  • redrock wrote:
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?

    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled? Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!

    nope. my parents were concerned that I was interested in NOTHING (as in sports) so they PAID me, yes, PAID me to try out for the volleyball team. Was I good at it? Yeah, sort of. But did I like it? yeah, maybe a bit. But what did it do for me in the end? Nothing. I didn't play the following year, or any year after that. Wasn't that into it, and I KNEW THAT, SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T TRY OUT. But hey, for $50, no questions asked, of course I did it.

    they also forced me to be in judo. Once they caught me skipping out, they let me drop it. Had they enrolled me in guitar classes, or pot smoking seminars, they may have been onto something.
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  • mickeyrat wrote:
    read some stuff recently that brought this question to mind.

    just love, respect for their personality and individuality, recognizing their needs, and good discipline/work ethic.

    teach them to do what they love. that breeds success.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    redrock wrote:
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?

    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled? Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!

    nope. my parents were concerned that I was interested in NOTHING (as in sports) so they PAID me, yes, PAID me to try out for the volleyball team. Was I good at it? Yeah, sort of. But did I like it? yeah, maybe a bit. But what did it do for me in the end? Nothing. I didn't play the following year, or any year after that. Wasn't that into it, and I KNEW THAT, SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T TRY OUT. But hey, for $50, no questions asked, of course I did it.

    they also forced me to be in judo. Once they caught me skipping out, they let me drop it. Had they enrolled me in guitar classes, or pot smoking seminars, they may have been onto something.


    why would a parent put themselves and their child through the hassle of making their child do something he/she didnt want to do? the only thing i see the obamas teaching their daughters is my parents made me do ballet and i hated it so youre doing tai chi cause i say so so much easier to find out what theyre interested in and encourage that... unless its serial killing or swiping tools from the hardware store.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363


    why would a parent put themselves and their child through the hassle of making their child do something he/she didnt want to do? the only thing i see the obamas teaching their daughters is my parents made me do ballet and i hated it so youre doing tai chi cause i say so so much easier to find out what theyre interested in and encourage that... unless its serial killing or swiping tools from the hardware store.

    If you go through life not urging your kids to try something new, they do fall into a pattern of refusing to be open to trying anything. Believe me, I see it all the time with friend's kids. Parents have to lead the way, not just sit back and assume they'll do something if they show interest. Because a LOT of kids need some push to try anything different. And that can be healthy.
    Basically, it's "know your child, and work with their individual style" that seems to work best.
  • redrock wrote:
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?

    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled? Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!

    nope. my parents were concerned that I was interested in NOTHING (as in sports) so they PAID me, yes, PAID me to try out for the volleyball team. Was I good at it? Yeah, sort of. But did I like it? yeah, maybe a bit. But what did it do for me in the end? Nothing. I didn't play the following year, or any year after that. Wasn't that into it, and I KNEW THAT, SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T TRY OUT. But hey, for $50, no questions asked, of course I did it.

    they also forced me to be in judo. Once they caught me skipping out, they let me drop it. Had they enrolled me in guitar classes, or pot smoking seminars, they may have been onto something.


    why would a parent put themselves and their child through the hassle of making their child do something he/she didnt want to do? the only thing i see the obamas teaching their daughters is my parents made me do ballet and i hated it so youre doing tai chi cause i say so so much easier to find out what theyre interested in and encourage that... unless its serial killing or swiping tools from the hardware store.

    my parents were looking at it as "our two other kids are huge into sports and academia, but our youngest is interested in nothing", so they thought if they could find a way to get me to try something, that I'd like it and continue on. I can't blame them for their effort. They felt lost. My older brother and sister were huge into sports and very good at school; I did nothing and was failing. The difference? I did drugs, and they didn't.

    the only thing I fault them on is trying to get me to do the wrong things. But back in those days, there wasn't a whole lot of options except sports or studies.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    by successful what do you mean? financially? cause from where im standing the measure of a successful life isnt money. and that should never be the reason to do anything.

    Exactly! Successful is many different things - certainly not money. But there are many parents who will push kids to do this or that, go into certain things/studies because it will be 'good for them in the future'. For example, a kid that's artistic but is 'pushed' by parents to study accounting because there's a job out of it in the end... those kind of things.

    Wishy-washy love... hmmmm... yeah.. well it's the kind of 'yeah I've got a kid and I love it but I so need the nanny (even if I don't work) and yeah, boarding school will be great for him/her' type love. Guess I'm not explaining this very well!
  • guitar59guitar59 Posts: 1,221
    Know your kid and accept who they are. Unconditional love.
    We are just entering the teenage years, and have 3 others coming up behind him...every child is different and can not be parented in the same way.
    So the answer to the OP's question would be, no. Parents can't follow an instruction manual and find a one size fits all answer. There isn't one right way to raise a child. I think the parents need to look to themselves and decide the values and ideals that they feel are important to pass on to the next generation and proceed from there. We value honesty, integrity, manners, and empathy. When parents can choose some core values to pass on to the kids I think it becomes easier to focus on how to raise the kid. Even our most difficult, spirited child can be polite and act with integrity.
  • ShimmyMommyShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    No. The only suggestion I have is that if you have different ways of parenting you must negotiate to meet somewhere in the middle. Otherwise, that child will divide and conquer and you won't even know it. They are very clever. That is all. :mrgreen:
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    by successful what do you mean? financially? cause from where im standing the measure of a successful life isnt money. and that should never be the reason to do anything.


    You don't have much $, do you? ;)
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  • JR8805JR8805 Posts: 169
    Is there only one way to get to a Pearl Jam show? :) The best way to raise children is to give them unconditional love, but set reasonable limits and show/tell them you have high expectations. There are a million ways to do these things.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    JR8805 wrote:
    Is there only one way to get to a Pearl Jam show? :) The best way to raise children is to give them unconditional love, but set reasonable limits and show/tell them you have high expectations. There are a million ways to do these things.

    great post :thumbup:

    it is as variable as relationships are.

    I would add honesty, a must in parenting.
    Respect and also to respect privacy...
    to approach any problem the child has discreetly that will promote trust
    between child and parent.

    To keep communication open with the above factors in mind.

    Age appropriate books are a wonderful aid.

    Purchased a couple years ahead keeps a parent aware of age related problems that can occur.
    Knowledge about parenting makes everything easier for parent and child.

    When a family home is filled with love, trust, respect, good communication, knowledge, honesty
    it is a happy home. :D
    In my opinion....
  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    redrock wrote:
    by successful what do you mean? financially? cause from where im standing the measure of a successful life isnt money. and that should never be the reason to do anything.

    Exactly! Successful is many different things - certainly not money. But there are many parents who will push kids to do this or that, go into certain things/studies because it will be 'good for them in the future'. For example, a kid that's artistic but is 'pushed' by parents to study accounting because there's a job out of it in the end... those kind of things.

    Wishy-washy love... hmmmm... yeah.. well it's the kind of 'yeah I've got a kid and I love it but I so need the nanny (even if I don't work) and yeah, boarding school will be great for him/her' type love. Guess I'm not explaining this very well!

    Actually, suggesting and/or encouraging in a positive way (not pushing) a child in high school to pursue further education along a decent career path (such as accounting), is a good idea.

    No, money isn't everything, and yes, continuing to pursue what you love to do is also very important. But if you could encourage a person to empower themselves with a decent-paying, versatile career that they reasonably like and are good at & interested in , you would be helping your child possibly avoid a future riddled with financial struggle.

    So, no, a child's money-earning capabilities is not the only measure of a parent's child-rearing sucess, but encouraging a child to empower his or her own self in many ways (including financial security) is.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    by successful what do you mean? financially? cause from where im standing the measure of a successful life isnt money. and that should never be the reason to do anything.


    You don't have much $, do you? ;)


    i dont need much but i have what i need. and i prefer it that way. 8-)
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    redrock wrote:
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?


    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled?
    Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!

    absolutely not. you encourage them if they show an interest in something.. but you NEVER push them into anything they show zero interest in. they need to find their own way and you need to be their for support.


    by successful what do you mean? financially? cause from where im standing the measure of a successful life isnt money. and that should never be the reason to do anything.
    Depends what you mean by "push". Sometimes (maybe most), kids don't really know what's best for them. Pushing them to something they initially resist may help them discover that they actually love that thing. Now as an adult, thinking back, I can identify of a number of examples in my childhood where I wish my parents had helped provide the motivation that an 8, 10, 14 year old lacked.
  • unlost dogsunlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    My mom came here from Ireland when she was 13. She lived with an older, childless cousin who later adopted her. (Prior to that, she'd lived with two older, childless aunts down the road from her parents _ she was one of 11, living in on a farm in a thatched roof cottage, so some of the kids stayed with other relatives. I've never really understood why, and she never really talked about it.)

    Only in the past month did my mother tell me that when she was living in that house, if she did something wrong, the cousin would tell her, "I brought you out here, and I can send you back." So she spent all her time there, until she met my Dad and married and moved out, being afraid that she'd offend the cousin and be sent back to the farm in disgrace.

    My mom told me this, then looked at me and said, "No child should ever feel as though they owe someone something."

    I'd never heard that before from her, I had no idea that's what her childhood was like.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    My mom came here from Ireland when she was 13. She lived with an older, childless cousin who later adopted her. (Prior to that, she'd lived with two older, childless aunts down the road from her parents _ she was one of 11, living in on a farm in a thatched roof cottage, so some of the kids stayed with other relatives. I've never really understood why, and she never really talked about it.)

    Only in the past month did my mother tell me that when she was living in that house, if she did something wrong, the cousin would tell her, "I brought you out here, and I can send you back." So she spent all her time there, until she met my Dad and married and moved out, being afraid that she'd offend the cousin and be sent back to the farm in disgrace.

    My mom told me this, then looked at me and said, "No child should ever feel as though they owe someone something."

    I'd never heard that before from her, I had no idea that's what her childhood was like.
    I love your Mama's quote so beautiful and so so true, speaks volumes.

    Tracing my family tree I have found so much my Mama did't tell me... so much sadness
    she experienced ... so many hardships. I wish I had known while she was alive.

    Makes me very appreciate for my childhood and the love I received,
    I bet your mothers words did the same for you.

    Thanks for sharing
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    MotoDC wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?


    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled?
    Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!

    absolutely not. you encourage them if they show an interest in something.. but you NEVER push them into anything they show zero interest in. they need to find their own way and you need to be their for support.


    by successful what do you mean? financially? cause from where im standing the measure of a successful life isnt money. and that should never be the reason to do anything.
    Depends what you mean by "push". Sometimes (maybe most), kids don't really know what's best for them. Pushing them to something they initially resist may help them discover that they actually love that thing. Now as an adult, thinking back, I can identify of a number of examples in my childhood where I wish my parents had helped provide the motivation that an 8, 10, 14 year old lacked.


    I agree with you. Growing up I was very much into music. I always wished I could play an instrument or take dance.
    I had my son very young. Therefore, when my son was about 12 I bought him a starter electric guitar and amp. Guess I wanted for him the things I did not pursue. For some reason my son refused to take guitar lessons. He is 31 now and said about three years ago he wished I had made him take those lessons. He is into music now also. Yet he likes rap, writes lyrics, and is very good at it.

    Now we have a granddaughter who I asked to send to dance lessons. Still trying to fulfill my dreams thru the kids. Well she was not interested at all (she is very shy) I asked her to at least try it and if she did not like it she could quit. Well first year she did ballet, she did not like it (she was seven) next year she started Hip Hop dance and she loves it!
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  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    MotoDC wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    That goes without saying Jean (though, seeing what happens to some children, one wonders). How we dispense/show this love will vary... tough love? 'Hippie' love? Wishy-washy or just right? And what would be 'just right'?


    Is it right to push a kid into something they are not into because you know they will be successful in the endeavour and their future could be nicely settled?
    Do you let them be and discover for themselves knowing they are doomed for failure? Not always easy to get it just right!

    absolutely not. you encourage them if they show an interest in something.. but you NEVER push them into anything they show zero interest in. they need to find their own way and you need to be their for support.


    by successful what do you mean? financially? cause from where im standing the measure of a successful life isnt money. and that should never be the reason to do anything.
    Depends what you mean by "push". Sometimes (maybe most), kids don't really know what's best for them. Pushing them to something they initially resist may help them discover that they actually love that thing. Now as an adult, thinking back, I can identify of a number of examples in my childhood where I wish my parents had helped provide the motivation that an 8, 10, 14 year old lacked.

    Right. I had to take piano lessons when I was about 8/9. Although I didn't hate it, I didn't exactly enjoy having to go to take a lesson once a week from Sister Paula who used to fall asleep and sometimes nod off into the keyboard (and then looking like, "yes, I meant to play that part with my face".)

    However now that I'm an adult who enjoys playing several musical instruments, I couldn't be more grateful for that introduction into playing music.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited August 2011
    My take...
    It all depends upon how YOU define 'right'.
    Remember, your kids absorb a lot of what you dispense. They take on your fears and prejudices. You may be able to love unconditionally and respect and honestly communicate... but, if you fear black people, rant about illegal Mexicans, preach the evils of Islam and communicate (maybe not directly to them, but indirectly in your rants)... your kids will more than likely take on those views.
    Yeah, they may change their minds as they grow older... but, like i said, they will take what you say as truths when they are little kids.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Cosmo wrote:
    My take...
    It all depends upon how YOU define 'right'.
    Remember, your kids absorb a lot of what you dispense. They take on your fears and prejudices. You may be able to love unconditionally and respect and honestly communicate... but, if you fear black people, rant about illegal Mexicans, preach the evils of Islam... your kids will more than likely take on those views.
    Yeah, they may change their minds as they grow older... but, like i said, they will take what you say as truths when they are little kids.

    great post ... :thumbup:

    children are like little sponges, always watching listening and learning,

    and they want to be like mom and dad
  • I think love is the most important of course. I feel like being in control is almost as high on the list. I work in child care and see so many kids who run the show at home. Maybe I am just a stuborn, cocky, control freak but that doesn't go in my house. There is no begging because the first no is the final answer. I am afraid there will be many many adults in 20 years who won't know how to act when the world doesn't cater to them.
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