Jesus Camp

Byrnzie

Anyone seen this documentary? It's a hoot. But also scary to think how fucking crazy these people are. It's also kind of worrying when you consider that 'several recent studies and surveys by sociologists and political scientists...have estimated the number of evangelicals in the U. S. at about 25-30% of the population, or roughly between 70 and 80 million people.' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelica ... e_there.3F

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp
'Jesus Camp is a 2006 American documentary film directed by Rachel Grady and Heidi Ewing about a charismatic Christian summer camp, where children spend their summers learning and practicing their prophetic gifts and being taught that they can "take back America for Christ."

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNfL6IVWCE

Byrnzie

Here's a quote from it:

"The Devil goes after the young. Those who cannot fend for themselves...And whilst we're on the subject, let me say something about Harry Potter: Warlocks are enemies of God!!...And if they had been in the Old Testament Harry Potter would have been put to death! You don't make heroes out of Warlocks!"

brianlux

Byrnzie wrote:

Here's a quote from it:

"The Devil goes after the young. Those who cannot fend for themselves...And whilst we're on the subject, let me say something about Harry Potter: Warlocks are enemies of God!!...And if they had been in the Old Testament Harry Potter would have been put to death! You don't make heroes out of Warlocks!"

Harry Potter is the Devil! Run for your lives! ...

pandora

The bit I know of Jesus the man...

He taught Love,

hope that is on the curriculum and not judging others but accepting them for
what they choose to believe and to love.

KM43590

It's a disturbing documentary that's for sure. I feel sorry for the kids. Another good documentary is Bill Maher's "Religulous" and the ridiculous counterpoint film "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" from Ben Stein. I was recently reading about how the belief in a religion is actually a form of mental illness. I was raised Catholic, but have since been cured.

mysticweed

pandora wrote:

The bit I know of Jesus the man...

He taught Love,

hope that is on the curriculum and not judging others but accepting them for
what they choose to believe and to love.

throughout history the church has used Jesus to their specific wants
holy war is a fucking oxymoron

to be a christian, at least in the church of my youth, you must believe in the virgin birth and the resurrection.
the teachings of Christ are moot

blessed are the peacemakers?? sorry JC, but that one never did take on

StillHere

pandora wrote:

The bit I know of Jesus the man...

He taught Love,

hope that is on the curriculum and not judging others but accepting them for
what they choose to believe and to love.

well said Pandi
agreed one thousand percent

pjhawks

KM43590 wrote:

It's a disturbing documentary that's for sure. I feel sorry for the kids. Another good documentary is Bill Maher's "Religulous" and the ridiculous counterpoint film "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" from Ben Stein. I was recently reading about how the belief in a religion is actually a form of mental illness. I was raised Catholic, but have since been cured.

cured Catholic here as well. pure brain-washing is all it is. frightens me that these kinds of people are getting and gaining power in this country.

StillHere

pjhawks wrote:

KM43590 wrote:

It's a disturbing documentary that's for sure. I feel sorry for the kids. Another good documentary is Bill Maher's "Religulous" and the ridiculous counterpoint film "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" from Ben Stein. I was recently reading about how the belief in a religion is actually a form of mental illness. I was raised Catholic, but have since been cured.

cured Catholic here as well. pure brain-washing is all it is. frightens me that these kinds of people are getting and gaining power in this country.

Never "Cured"
Forever "Recovering Catholic" here

hostis

Bless me Father for I have sinned. it's been 27 years since my last confession and I have to admit, I love good ol' ball busting rock. Can I say 3 Our Fathers?

pjhawks

hostis wrote:

Bless me Father for I have sinned. it's been 27 years since my last confession and I have to admit, I love good ol' ball busting rock. Can I say 3 Our Fathers?

only if you get on your knees to uhh 'pray' for the father 1st - oh yes i did say that

edit: and i just realized the double-entendre (no clue how to spell that) of the surprised smiley i added to this. :oops:

gimmesometruth27

i'd prefer to hang out at jesus ranch with tenacious d than go to this ridiculous camp...

cajunkiwi

Reminds me of a a picture I saw of someone holding a sign at what I assume was an anti-Tea Party really.

"Obama isn't the brown-skinned Socialist who wants to give free health care to everyone. You're thinking of Jesus."

VINNY GOOMBA

cajunkiwi wrote:

Reminds me of a a picture I saw of someone holding a sign at what I assume was an anti-Tea Party really.

"Obama isn't the brown-skinned Socialist who wants to give free health care to everyone. You're thinking of Jesus."

^
That is funny.

Citing Jesus as socialist healthcare is self-defeating for that cause though. People have been on a very long waitlist to be physically healed, he hasn't taken any new customers since 032 AD. He's actually worse than Canada.

brianlux

I've thought about it for a long time. Truth is, Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam. Just wants me to be kind.

Mamasan23

hostis wrote:

Bless me Father for I have sinned. it's been 27 years since my last confession and I have to admit, I love good ol' ball busting rock. Can I say 3 Our Fathers?

My hubby is a concert promoter and for his day job works in the Christian rock genre. A few years ago at a fest, one of the preachers went up to him and asked "Are you still listening to that heavy metal music or have you been saved yet?"

:shock:

Prince Of Dorkness

That movie has some VERY disturbing moments.

1) children are made to get down on their knees and pray to a cardboard cut out of George W Bush.

2) a young boy of about 10 robotically recites "I was saved at 6 because I wanted more." That a 6 year-old feels unfulfilled by life is a bit laughable but the way he phrases it almost as a question makes it sound like he's desperately looking for the approval of adults who've fed him such nonsense.

3) Ted Haggard talks with two young boys in a very "creepy man from down the street" way, rubbing his chest while he asks "are you coming to camp with us? ...yes? ...ohhh.... that's FABULOUS!...." It gives me the creeps to know he was doing meth and hiring male hookers about 5 years older than these boys when that was shot.

4) the leader shrieks at the kids telling them that Harry Potter should be put to death and calls him a "Warlock."

5) a young boy about 8 is asked if he's allowed to watch Harry Potter. He says that his mother won't let him but "I can watch it when I go to my Dad's house" and gets a very sad and disconnected look on his face.

6) Ted Haggard again jokes about how "politicians do what we tell them to do because we are the biggest voting block in America and what we say goes." Or words to that effect.

7) Ted Haggard again talks about how "God is always watching you" and then looks directly into the camera saying something about how "I know what you were doing last night." You can tell he doesn't believe in God at all... thinks of himself as God and just wants to control people out of fear.

Prince Of Dorkness

Oh... and the most disturbing one...

8) the young boy who was "saved" is home schooled. He talks about global warming with his mother and how average temperatures have risen 2 degrees in the last couple of decades. Before he's able to think about it, she snaps "and that's not very much, is it?" he very quickly agrees in a tone that kinda sounds like "I know if I question anything you say, there will be hell to pay."


These camps and the whole Evangelical movement is funded heavily by the oil industry. That's a fact.

But the reason they spell out is that Evangelicals all believe that "the rapture" is coming any day now. And why bother saving the world from global environmental shut down if you're moving out soon anyway, right?

It's scary how those people are brainwashed by all that money from the oil industry... so they can continue to rape the world.

aerial

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Oh... and the most disturbing one...

8) the young boy who was "saved" is home schooled. He talks about global warming with his mother and how average temperatures have risen 2 degrees in the last couple of decades. Before he's able to think about it, she snaps "and that's not very much, is it?" he very quickly agrees in a tone that kinda sounds like "I know if I question anything you say, there will be hell to pay."


These camps and the whole Evangelical movement is funded heavily by the oil industry. That's a fact.

But the reason they spell out is that Evangelicals all believe that "the rapture" is coming any day now. And why bother saving the world from global environmental shut down if you're moving out soon anyway, right?

It's scary how those people are brainwashed by all that money from the oil industry... so they can continue to rape the world.

How does the oil industry fit into this?

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

How does the oil industry fit into this?

Did I not just explain that in pretty plain English that the documentary explains that the oil industry pours millions into the "Evangelical movement" so they can grow their numbers of people who see no need in saving the environment?

Who do you think pays for those multi-million-dollar churches and Jesus camps in smaller, low-income areas in the south? You think those are paid for with "donations from the flock?"

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

The bit I know of Jesus the man...

He taught Love,

hope that is on the curriculum and not judging others but accepting them for
what they choose to believe and to love.

Does this include not judging, and accepting, racist bigots for what they believe, and loving them?

Should we have not judged the Nazis, but just accepted them and loved them?