More evidence that record profits are not yielding US jobs..

Prince Of Dorkness

know1 wrote:

Have you ever thought that maybe the tax cuts are at least keeping some of the jobs in this country which is kind of the same thing as creating jobs, but not so easy to quantify.

You're wrong.

Very wrong.

It's very easy to quantify and that's not what's happening at all.

Tax cuts are not helping. They never have and they never will.

Prince Of Dorkness

usamamasan1 wrote:

Ah, the evil corporations....

These are owned by individual shareholders right? Often times they get dividends that are taxed right?

When they sell these shares at a gain they pay income tax or cap gains tax right?

"corporations" pay no taxes. this moving train intellect is funny. more dumberer than ever sometimes.

It wouldn't be if you'd stop posting.

Just sayin'.

usamamasan1

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

know1 wrote:

Have you ever thought that maybe the tax cuts are at least keeping some of the jobs in this country which is kind of the same thing as creating jobs, but not so easy to quantify.

You're wrong.

Very wrong.

It's very easy to quantify and that's not what's happening at all.

Tax cuts are not helping. They never have and they never will.

A monkey would understand that the prospect of higher taxes in the future is factored into today's decisions.
Most monkeys...
I wish the moving train was a peer group but I get the feeling that the bar is pretty low around here.
I guess, to be fair, I knew that from the beginning.

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

know1 wrote:

Have you ever thought that maybe the tax cuts are at least keeping some of the jobs in this country which is kind of the same thing as creating jobs, but not so easy to quantify.

You're wrong.

Very wrong.

It's very easy to quantify and that's not what's happening at all.

Tax cuts are not helping. They never have and they never will.

A monkey would understand that the prospect of higher taxes in the future is factored into today's decisions.
Most monkeys...
I wish the moving train was a peer group but I get the feeling that the bar is pretty low around here.
I guess, to be fair, I knew that from the beginning.

then why post here if we are so inferior to your amazingly awesome intellect?

and are you saying the the prospect of the bush tax cuts expiring and the possibility of corporate tax loopholes closing has had these businesses worried for the last 5 years??? that they have been so fearful of that, even when bush was in office and everyone knew he was not going to let those cuts expire?

usamamasan1

Gee wiz, maybe we should ask the speaker of the house where the jobs are?

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

know1 wrote:

Have you ever thought that maybe the tax cuts are at least keeping some of the jobs in this country which is kind of the same thing as creating jobs, but not so easy to quantify.

You're wrong.

Very wrong.

It's very easy to quantify and that's not what's happening at all.

Tax cuts are not helping. They never have and they never will.

I'm sorry, I know a specific example where you are very wrong. A country's tax structure has a lot to do with where future business is based (ie products are made).

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

You're wrong.

Very wrong.

It's very easy to quantify and that's not what's happening at all.

Tax cuts are not helping. They never have and they never will.

A monkey would understand that the prospect of higher taxes in the future is factored into today's decisions.
Most monkeys...
I wish the moving train was a peer group but I get the feeling that the bar is pretty low around here.
I guess, to be fair, I knew that from the beginning.

then why post here if we are so inferior to your amazingly awesome intellect?

and are you saying the the prospect of the bush tax cuts expiring and the possibility of corporate tax loopholes closing has had these businesses worried for the last 5 years??? that they have been so fearful of that, even when bush was in office and everyone knew he was not going to let those cuts expire?

Well, not going to touch the first part...but, do you really think companies don't think ahead 5 years? Seriously? You know how long it takes to build a plant? Or even add capacity to an existing plant?

Prince Of Dorkness

usamamasan1 wrote:

A monkey would understand that the prospect of higher taxes in the future is factored into today's decisions.
Most monkeys...
I wish the moving train was a peer group but I get the feeling that the bar is pretty low around here.
I guess, to be fair, I knew that from the beginning.

So your whole deal is to say dumb-ass shit, be a twit and act like you think you're smart in an effort to troll?

Wow. That's the best hobby you could come up with, eh?

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

Well, not going to touch the first part...but, do you really think companies don't think ahead 5 years? Seriously? You know how long it takes to build a plant? Or even add capacity to an existing plant?

Well maybe you can explain why, when taxes were higher, we were in much better shape?

Maybe you can explain why it's NEVER worked to give tax cuts to ultra-rich people if you expect them to spend more when they always just sock it away for themselves? Always?

In case you're actually serious... Those "plants" were already built... The jobs already existed... And the corporations took their bail-outs, closed down the plants, shipped all the jobs over-seas and hired lobbyists with the rest of their bailout checks.

mikepegg44

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Well, not going to touch the first part...but, do you really think companies don't think ahead 5 years? Seriously? You know how long it takes to build a plant? Or even add capacity to an existing plant?

Well maybe you can explain why, when taxes were higher, we were in much better shape?

Maybe you can explain why it's NEVER worked to give tax cuts to ultra-rich people if you expect them to spend more when they always just sock it away for themselves? Always?

In case you're actually serious... Those "plants" were already built... The jobs already existed... And the corporations took their bail-outs, closed down the plants, shipped all the jobs over-seas and hired lobbyists with the rest of their bailout checks.

so maybe they shouldn't have been bailed out. Can you point to a business that took bailout payments and closed plants and moved them and hired lobbyists with the rest of their checks...because I would like to stop supporting those businesses and would love to know who they are (not being a smart ass)

What did taxes have to do with the housing bubble being artificially inflated by the US government leading to a giant crash in the country and the credit markets? add that to two wars and you have a recipe for disaster... That has nothing to do with income tax cuts for all americans and everything to do with incompetent red and blue leadership...

inmytree

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am asking you the same question.

corporations operate in the same manner, do they not? the for profit ones do anyway.

why are there tax laws that apply to them when they do not pay US taxes in so many situations?

those tax cuts are not creating jobs here, and isn't that one of the main reasons that they have the cuts to begin with?

I honestly can't understand what you wrote, so no way I can answer it.

"Corporations operate in the same manner" ??? You have to be kidding me. They all have the same end goal, making $ for the people that work for them and the shareholders or owners, but they hardly operate in the same manner. That is ridiculous. Some are greedy bastards, others are not.

Why is it ok in your mind to blindly paint the evil corporations with the same brush?

good point, all corporations are perfect and they love everyone and everything....we must not speak badly of corporations...say it with me...we must not speak badly of corporations....

(cue the release of the doves and turn on the bubble machines...3, 2, 1....)

cincybearcat

inmytree wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am asking you the same question.

corporations operate in the same manner, do they not? the for profit ones do anyway.

why are there tax laws that apply to them when they do not pay US taxes in so many situations?

those tax cuts are not creating jobs here, and isn't that one of the main reasons that they have the cuts to begin with?

I honestly can't understand what you wrote, so no way I can answer it.

"Corporations operate in the same manner" ??? You have to be kidding me. They all have the same end goal, making $ for the people that work for them and the shareholders or owners, but they hardly operate in the same manner. That is ridiculous. Some are greedy bastards, others are not.

Why is it ok in your mind to blindly paint the evil corporations with the same brush?

good point, all corporations are perfect and they love everyone and everything....we must not speak badly of corporations...say it with me...we must not speak badly of corporations....

(cue the release of the doves and turn on the bubble machines...3, 2, 1....)

Yep, cause that is exactly what I was saying. :roll:

If all corporations left the face of the earth, we'd all be worse off though. So go ahead and hate the Evil Empires you've created in your minds if it makes you feel better about it. What type of computer are you typing on? Who provides your internet service? And no, "my parents" isn't the right answer.

mikepegg44

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

A monkey would understand that the prospect of higher taxes in the future is factored into today's decisions.
Most monkeys...
I wish the moving train was a peer group but I get the feeling that the bar is pretty low around here.
I guess, to be fair, I knew that from the beginning.

So your whole deal is to say dumb-ass shit, be a twit and act like you think you're smart in an effort to troll?

Wow. That's the best hobby you could come up with, eh?

I always wondered why people responded to it

inmytree

cincybearcat wrote:

Yep, cause that is exactly what I was saying. :roll:

If all corporations left the face of the earth, we'd all be worse off though. So go ahead and hate the Evil Empires you've created in your minds if it makes you feel better about it. What type of computer are you typing on? Who provides your internet service? And no, "my parents" isn't the right answer.

you do seem to have some big love for those happy-go-lucky corporations...I'm not saying those lovely non-beings should disappear, I'm saying there tax breaks and welfare they receive should go away...

I know, that's just crazy talk...

Sludge Factory

mikepegg44 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Well, not going to touch the first part...but, do you really think companies don't think ahead 5 years? Seriously? You know how long it takes to build a plant? Or even add capacity to an existing plant?

Well maybe you can explain why, when taxes were higher, we were in much better shape?

Maybe you can explain why it's NEVER worked to give tax cuts to ultra-rich people if you expect them to spend more when they always just sock it away for themselves? Always?

In case you're actually serious... Those "plants" were already built... The jobs already existed... And the corporations took their bail-outs, closed down the plants, shipped all the jobs over-seas and hired lobbyists with the rest of their bailout checks.

so maybe they shouldn't have been bailed out. Can you point to a business that took bailout payments and closed plants and moved them and hired lobbyists with the rest of their checks...because I would like to stop supporting those businesses and would love to know who they are (not being a smart ass)

What did taxes have to do with the housing bubble being artificially inflated by the US government leading to a giant crash in the country and the credit markets? add that to two wars and you have a recipe for disaster... That has nothing to do with income tax cuts for all americans and everything to do with incompetent red and blue leadership...

What you are saying is pretty much it. Simply raising taxes on corporations only succeeds in band-aiding the problem. The harsh reality is that by raising the taxes, whether any of the people here like it or not, the very real reaction of the corporations is to move their operations elsewhere. It is simply good business sense to attempt to keep your costs low. So we solve this by raising the taxes some more? Solving the problem by doing more of what is causing the problem doesn't seem like effective problem solving to me.

The good times under Clinton did not occur because of the higher tax rates, it was because of the artificial .com bubble and housing bubble. The economy was booming so many people were able to get jobs that appeared to be real growth when, in fact, they were false growth. The party eventually ended and we are now experience a severe hangover from our overzealous ways; essentially, the economy is paying for that now.

If people really wanted to fix the loss of jobs on American soil they would look at lowering the corporate tax rate, cut government, and equally as important: do away with corporate/government cronyism. Government regulation is usually a barrier for new entrants into specific sectors so no one can really ever start up and compete on a level playing field with the corporations; they are too protected from having lawsuits held against them but also well endowed with assets to go after smaller upstarts if they even so much as think about infringing on "their" market. The already established corporations will adapt or move elsewhere while anyone even thinking of starting up a business plan will have a huge hurdle to leap before before they can even begin to compete.

Somebody already pointed out that Americans are suffering from losing these jobs, but other countries that are more business friendly are benefitting. If America were to once again become more business friendly it to would begin to benefit once again. If America was truly a competitive jobs market most of these jobs would not be going elsewhere.

cincybearcat

inmytree wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Yep, cause that is exactly what I was saying. :roll:

If all corporations left the face of the earth, we'd all be worse off though. So go ahead and hate the Evil Empires you've created in your minds if it makes you feel better about it. What type of computer are you typing on? Who provides your internet service? And no, "my parents" isn't the right answer.

you do seem to have some big love for those happy-go-lucky corporations...I'm not saying those lovely non-beings should disappear, I'm saying there tax breaks and welfare they receive should go away...

I know, that's just crazy talk...

Here is a nice little article...

http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/13/ge-exx ... taxes.html

Prince Of Dorkness

Yeah.

Forbes.

Owned by one of the most self-serving, greedy multi-billionaires of the last few hundred million years.

There's a good source of unbiased information about how corporations are 100% and 0% bad.

In related news, Fox News reports that Rupert Murdoch is like so totally not guilty and knew like... nothing about that phone hacking they did over in the UK... he doesn't even know what a phone is... or something.

usamamasan1

Money is not important, until you run out of it.

Woot!

inmytree

cincybearcat wrote:

inmytree wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Yep, cause that is exactly what I was saying. :roll:

If all corporations left the face of the earth, we'd all be worse off though. So go ahead and hate the Evil Empires you've created in your minds if it makes you feel better about it. What type of computer are you typing on? Who provides your internet service? And no, "my parents" isn't the right answer.

you do seem to have some big love for those happy-go-lucky corporations...I'm not saying those lovely non-beings should disappear, I'm saying there tax breaks and welfare they receive should go away...

I know, that's just crazy talk...

Here is a nice little article...

http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/13/ge-exx ... taxes.html

this almost brought a tear to me eye...

almost...

cincybearcat

inmytree wrote:

this almost brought a tear to me eye...

almost...

You are driving me crazy...

almost...

Keep on blaming the evil boogieman if it makes you feel better. Or stop supporting the evil corporations. Of course, then you won't have any $...won't be able to get back online to talk to us about how it's going...won't have a phone to call anyone...what will you have?