Historic Attack on the Vatican from irish PM

satansbed

The irish state has historically been tied to rome in terms that the Vatican had enormous influence on the laws and ethos of the state. For two long the governments of ireland where too afraid to stand up to the church, but finnaly we have a PM who has stood up and said enough is enough, even though he is a devout catholic. hopefully this will lead to proper church state seperation and will help protect children from similar monsters

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 27188.html

Taoiseach Enda Kenny has launched an unprecedented attack on the Vatican in a Dail debate following the publication of the controversial Cloyne Report.

“The rape and torture of children were downplayed ... managed to uphold instead, the primacy of the institution, its power, standing and reputation,” Mr Kenny said.

He added that the report on clerical sexual abuse "excavates the dysfunction, the disconnection, the elitism that dominates the Vatican today".

The 400-page Clonye Report investigated how allegations against 19 priests were dealt with between 1996 and 2009 and found the Vatican's response to the church guidelines was entirely unhelpful.

It also found the Vatican gave comfort and support to those who dissented from the guidelines, describing it as "wholly unacceptable".

The Taoiseach’s comments came following calls from Fine Gael’s Charlie Flanagan to have the Papal Nuncio expelled while Justice Minister Alan Shatter described rejections of the report by Vatican spokesman Fr Lombardi as ''disingenuous''.

He also said he agreed with calls from Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin for the church to publish all reports, similar to Cloyne and Ryan as soon as possible.

The Dail motion states that they deplore “the Vatican’s intervention, which contributed to the undermining of the child protection frameworks and guidelines of the Irish State and the Irish bishops”.

polaris_x

:thumbdown: to the catholic church ... :thumbup: to those who speak out against these crimes and who seek only that those committing these crimes be held accountable ...

Juan Godoy

:thumbup: :thumbup:
i hate how the church talks and give his opinion about EVERYTHING!!

they even made people stop believing because of this

satansbed

Juan Godoy wrote:

:thumbup: :thumbup:
i hate how the church talks and give his opinion about EVERYTHING!!

they even made people stop believing because of this

i am struggling to understand what you mean by the first line?

i don't mean to insult or anything

Juan Godoy

satansbed wrote:

Juan Godoy wrote:

:thumbup: :thumbup:
i hate how the church talks and give his opinion about EVERYTHING!!

they even made people stop believing because of this

i am struggling to understand what you mean by the first line?

i don't mean to insult or anything

none taken :thumbup:
no no, what i try to say is that I get a lot of anger as the church influences everything

chadwick

in music appreaciation class we learned that hundreds of years ago the catholic church used only boys in their choirs, they even went as far as to remove their testicles to keep the singing voices high pitch. it is a fact and scary to me.



these dudes are torturous
light em on fire and run em over with a tank
or a school bus, yes/no?

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

in music appreaciation class we learned that hundreds of years ago the catholic church used only boys in their choirs, they even went as far as to remove their testicles to keep the singing voices high pitch. it is a fact and scary to me.



these dudes are torturous
light em on fire and run em over with a tank
or a school bus, yes/no?

aah yes the castrati... heaven forbid they use girls with their naturally occurring high voices. :roll:

chadwick

catefrances wrote:

chadwick wrote:

in music appreaciation class we learned that hundreds of years ago the catholic church used only boys in their choirs, they even went as far as to remove their testicles to keep the singing voices high pitch. it is a fact and scary to me.



these dudes are torturous
light em on fire and run em over with a tank
or a school bus, yes/no?

aah yes the castrati... heaven forbid they use girls with their naturally occurring high voices. :roll:

http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-castrati.html
4 or 5 thousand boys castrated annually
17th and 8th century italy


fucking barbaric