Ten Club Ticketing Creates Caste System?
I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that these last Ed shows had absolutely no tickets of merit available to the general public. I've been on this board on and off for the last 10 years but never bothered to join the fan club until last year. Now it seems I can't get a decent seat to a show. Has anyone had the same frustration? Is there a sort of caste system set up now in the ticketing? Im sure ill get threatened by asking the question but am curious.
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ahhhh, but you GOT a ticket!!!
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
slide in sideways, BBQ sandwich in one hand, cold beer in the other,
body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "Woo Hoo what a
ride" ! Unknown
if you feel you will get htreatened than you are'nt sure yourself if your point is valid
the ten club is no treally that huge in terms of the nation, sure certain shows do attract more members, but scalpers and organazations suck probably tripple the amount of good seats.
no more shows
I agree. Btw, complainer, I did not complain when I joined a ways back, my seats werent awesome... Now I get good seats.. What other fair ways do you think they should distribute tickets to fans? Ah you dont have any ideas. Thats what I thought....
And she brought along another fan club member that got shut out of the 10C ticket sale!
Caste system? Hehehehehe...
Joke. Right?
I'm not complaining at all. I just tired of hearing everyone bitch about how its so unfair. I don't have a super great number but if I have an extra I always try to take someone from the board who missed out on tickets or has a number that not as good as mine. I think its a great way to meet new people who share the passion that we all have for this band. When It comes to a fair way to distribute tickets I think they are doing a great job! Are my Tickets going to be worse because of what they are doing yes but I was one of the lucky people who was upgraded at Grand Rapids in 06. I think it will be good for the fan club as well as for the band to see some new faces up front. You have to remember the people who have been in this fan club from the start have been providing the band with some income since the begining. Albeit not a crazy amount in the form of fan club dues but in other ways like ticket sales, album sales and merch for over 17 years.
you just answered your own question...
blame ticket master and the promoters
the 10c gets less than 10% of the seats and is not the cause of the problem as far as getting good seats goes.
And, I also believe that wen Patches was addressing the "complainer," in his reply to you, he was addressing the original poster, not you.
10C = Opportunity System not cast system.
Have to take advantage of opportunities.
Member number doesn't determine chance of getting into the venue.
True....why TM doesn't make efforts to limit scalping?
Makes one wonder who are all in on the take.
Tickets are given away for all shows......they are then sold for huge profits.
Be interesting to take a popular show..and trace each ticket...how much it generates and for whom. Doubt much is reported as income. "Frontline" are you reading???
21% - Artist
20% - Venue Rental
17.5% - Value Added Tax (UK), Service Fees (US)
15% - PA, lights, crew
14% - Venue staff (security, medical staff, etc.)
3.5% - Promotors take
3% - Performing Rights Society
3% - Public Liability Insurance
2% - Environmental costs (noise monitors, garbage, ect)
1% - Marketing Costs
Source - May 2008 Q Magazine
Expenses you listed are taken from face value.....I'm referring to the added value above face....tracking the ticket from first possessor to final user.
I'm thinking that the 17.2% VAT would be in North America, tax, TM fees, etc.
From the 21% artist take, they have to pay all their own expenses like trucking, crew, staff, accountant, doctor, chef, all that stuff.
And I would imagine that anyone selling above face value independently would keep all that money. None of it would ever go back to the artist..they'd only get their share of the face value when originally sold...However, "Wesites such as eBay allow users to sell tickets via auction while taking up to 15% of each transaction..." May 2008 Q Magazine
But, I'm not really sure what you mean...
the "caste" system is based on loyallty to the band for all the years some of us have been in 10c. they do a lot to honor their fans and 10c members always get good tix so now that you are a member you shouldn't have much to complain about.
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People in Wisconsin put their newborn babies name on the list for Packer season tickets. lol
It's true. LOL
you have just as good a chance as anybody here to get tickets as long as you have a fast computer my low ass number didn't get me ticktes to none of the MSG shows but did for the hartford & manfield shows ....in other words the members # don't really mean shit anymore ...
I joined 7 years ago but was right next to people that joined the year before..great thing about GA.
in June I won't be anywhere near the front, but still better, and far less hussle, than anything that TM would have given me.
for EV in LA, I had NO ticket since I hadn't planned and anyway was not allowed to buy 10c even if I had. :(
got row P (20 row back then) on first night from tickets picked up from the box office on the day (sure could have been better had I been a) earlier landing inLA, and b) getting a single..but I got 2 so another fellow euro traveller could come in too).
2nd night, a very generous old time 10c member, which I didn't know and no-one I knew did either, offered me his spare and I sat row A (so 5th row) ...thanks again Hal
you can get good seats, even on a crappy 10c number..just make friends... hang out at pre-parties, on the board..
and even if your 10c sucks, it'll still be better than the shit seats TM will give you.. they keep the good ones for scalpers :mad:
so no, not cast system (and anyway EVERYONE is free to join), just an opportunity.
no more shows