New holiday single

Spoken

They know fans have been wanting them to finish Deep Magazine and the Christmas Single for a while,
hopefully posts like these are helping....

boyo79

RedMosquito22 wrote:

boyo79 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Just to let you know, the record we are getting this summer is for your 2010 membership. You will get it no matter what. If you let your membership lapse it will still arrive since you were a member as of December 2010.

You letting your membership lapse isn't proving any point to them, just so you know. It's been this way for quite some time now.

Though it does seem to be getting worse. I'm due to renew and I'm questioning whether to stay with analog. There doesn't really seem any point any more. Since renewing in June 2010, what have I received or was of benefit of being a 10C member?

If you don't want the vinyl, free concert download and annual t-shirt then there is no need to be Analog. Going digital is hardly an "f u" or "take that" to the 10 Club.

I'm not aware that I said i'd give an " f u" or "take that" to the 10 club. But you're welcome to correct me if I did.

RedMosquito22

benjs wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

arl Jam Inc. to be two discrete entities - they are one.

If oyu think Tim has any power whatsoever to tell the band what to do, you are kidding yourself. The single is done when the band wants to. Tim has already said this on the radio show. When the band gets together at some point during the year they go over it. This happened recently when they were in the studio.

If the band wants to record a new track for the record, yo honestly think Tim is going to tell them to hurry it up, the fans need this by July? That's hysterical if you do. The band has final say on everything that this fanclub does.

Tim is the Manager of the fan Club, not the President.

You are aware what a manager's job is right?

Thanks, Dewie [/quote]

Yeah, to listen to what the band says.

RedMosquito22

supersonicyears wrote:

I don't think you can buy from the goods section unless your a member.
Does anyone remember when they sent the 2009 single out? I was also wondering, do other bands send their fan club members records etc.?

July

RedMosquito22

Spoken wrote:

They know fans have been wanting them to finish Deep Magazine and the Christmas Single for a while,
hopefully posts like these are helping....

Both are already being worked on as of weeks ago. The single is scheduled to be released prior to Deep.

DS1119

The single will be the two free Eddie tracks from his current Uke tour that we could download yesterday!

Blockhead

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Both are already being worked on as of weeks ago. The single is scheduled to be released prior to Deep.

You know this how? Because Tim said so...
TC is the worst managed "business" I have ever delt with.
They never have a straight answer for any questions they are asked. "Its being worked on" is not an answer.
This Delux song book is even worse. All I hear Tim say is "Its taking longer than we expected, its hand crafted, it has alot of details, ect".
THey need to find someone who can MANAGE a business. If your a manager (which I am) you should always know the dates and lead time of materials/products being order/delivered. Its not a guessing game.
THey are never Pro-active in letting people know of delays or issues. They wait until enough people complain and email untill the halfway address the issue.
The Ten Club does not need PJ to cut a single every year for the fan club single, they could make those well in advance, using b-sides, hell even use some live recording of a rare cover. So I don't really understand the issue of the single. Are we just going to wait until PJ comes together in the studio to cut it, by still paying our yearly membership fees?

benjs

RedMosquito22 wrote:

benjs wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

You are aware what a manager's job is right?

Thanks, Dewie

Yeah, to listen to what the band says.

A quick glance at Google's dictionary search:

man·ag·er
noun /ˈmanijər/ 
managers, plural

"A person responsible for controlling or administering all or part of a company or similar organization
- the manager of a bar
- the sales manager

A person who controls the activities, business dealings, and other aspects of the career of an entertainer, athlete, group of musicians, etc
- she left it to her manager to deal with the canceled concerts

A person in charge of the activities, tactics, and training of a sports team
- Frank Robinson became baseball's first black manager

(in a high school or college) A student who assists the coach of an athletic team

A program or system that controls or organizes a peripheral device or process
- a file manager"

Something in common between all these definitions is maintaining control, rather than being controlled - more or less the opposite of what you seem to believe a manager does. If Tim fails to get the band to record the single in a timely fashion, and fails to get the Ten Club single to to the fans, he fails as a manager for the band, as well as a manager for the Ten Club.

FR181798

supersonicyears wrote:

FR181798 wrote:

Not really bothered by all that priority stuff or whatever if I let my membership lapse past 3 months. PJ havent played in Scotland for years so all the ticket stuff I get emailed is useless to me. Not bothered by bootlegs mp3s, or Deep magazine and if I wanted a tshirt I would just go and choose one from Goods. I'm strictly a vinyl person, and enjoy getting new tracks I've not heard be them new or not. I'm not thinking of quiting Ten Club I'm just thinking I'd be better off financially by going DIGITAL and buying the 45rpm from goods next year. If the service was consistently good then I would have no worriess over stumping up the $50.

I don't think you can buy from the goods section unless your a member.
Does anyone remember when they sent the 2009 single out? I was also wondering, do other bands send their fan club members records etc.?

No you cant buy some of the stuff unless you are a fanclub member but if I was a DIGITAL member I imagine I would be able to buy any left over vinyl in the goods section, this would be a lot better for me financially. Last years single arrived early July. I dont know of any other bands who make special fan club only records but I bet they are few and far between so we should appreciate it, Beatles used to, i know that. Just expect some better communication from 10c regarding this since the cost has shot up.

DS1119

Blockhead wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Both are already being worked on as of weeks ago. The single is scheduled to be released prior to Deep.

You know this how? Because Tim said so...
TC is the worst managed "business" I have ever delt with.
They never have a straight answer for any questions they are asked. "Its being worked on" is not an answer.
This Delux song book is even worse. All I hear Tim say is "Its taking longer than we expected, its hand crafted, it has alot of details, ect".
THey need to find someone who can MANAGE a business. If your a manager (which I am) you should always know the dates and lead time of materials/products being order/delivered. Its not a guessing game.
THey are never Pro-active in letting people know of delays or issues. They wait until enough people complain and email untill the halfway address the issue.
The Ten Club does not need PJ to cut a single every year for the fan club single, they could make those well in advance, using b-sides, hell even use some live recording of a rare cover. So I don't really understand the issue of the single. Are we just going to wait until PJ comes together in the studio to cut it, by still paying our yearly membership fees?

I honestly believe the Ten Club tries their best but we have all read how controlling Eddie is. Perhaps alot of what the Ten Club does needs to be Eddie approved or band approved. I would think the club just couldn't realease PJ material without the say so of the band and/or it's management.

jamminpearls

DS1119 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Both are already being worked on as of weeks ago. The single is scheduled to be released prior to Deep.

You know this how? Because Tim said so...
TC is the worst managed "business" I have ever delt with.
They never have a straight answer for any questions they are asked. "Its being worked on" is not an answer.
This Delux song book is even worse. All I hear Tim say is "Its taking longer than we expected, its hand crafted, it has alot of details, ect".
THey need to find someone who can MANAGE a business. If your a manager (which I am) you should always know the dates and lead time of materials/products being order/delivered. Its not a guessing game.
THey are never Pro-active in letting people know of delays or issues. They wait until enough people complain and email untill the halfway address the issue.
The Ten Club does not need PJ to cut a single every year for the fan club single, they could make those well in advance, using b-sides, hell even use some live recording of a rare cover. So I don't really understand the issue of the single. Are we just going to wait until PJ comes together in the studio to cut it, by still paying our yearly membership fees?

I honestly believe the Ten Club tries their best but we have all read how controlling Eddie is. Perhaps alot of what the Ten Club does needs to be Eddie approved or band approved. I would think the club just couldn't realease PJ material without the say so of the band and/or it's management.

Cell Phones and computers hell even Skype are around so that theory to me is bs.

JimmyV

I might be wrong on this but isn't Tim only the manager of the fan club and Kelly Curtis the manager of the band?

RedMosquito22

benjs wrote:

A quick glance at Google's dictionary search:

man·ag·er
noun /ˈmanijər/ 
managers, plural

"A person responsible for controlling or administering all or part of a company or similar organization
- the manager of a bar
- the sales manager

A person who controls the activities, business dealings, and other aspects of the career of an entertainer, athlete, group of musicians, etc
- she left it to her manager to deal with the canceled concerts

A person in charge of the activities, tactics, and training of a sports team
- Frank Robinson became baseball's first black manager

(in a high school or college) A student who assists the coach of an athletic team

A program or system that controls or organizes a peripheral device or process
- a file manager"

Something in common between all these definitions is maintaining control, rather than being controlled - more or less the opposite of what you seem to believe a manager does. If Tim fails to get the band to record the single in a timely fashion, and fails to get the Ten Club single to to the fans, he fails as a manager for the band, as well as a manager for the Ten Club.

And that manager has a boss that tells him what to do. And that boss is the band.

Blockhead

DS1119 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Both are already being worked on as of weeks ago. The single is scheduled to be released prior to Deep.

You know this how? Because Tim said so...
TC is the worst managed "business" I have ever delt with.
They never have a straight answer for any questions they are asked. "Its being worked on" is not an answer.
This Delux song book is even worse. All I hear Tim say is "Its taking longer than we expected, its hand crafted, it has alot of details, ect".
THey need to find someone who can MANAGE a business. If your a manager (which I am) you should always know the dates and lead time of materials/products being order/delivered. Its not a guessing game.
THey are never Pro-active in letting people know of delays or issues. They wait until enough people complain and email untill the halfway address the issue.
The Ten Club does not need PJ to cut a single every year for the fan club single, they could make those well in advance, using b-sides, hell even use some live recording of a rare cover. So I don't really understand the issue of the single. Are we just going to wait until PJ comes together in the studio to cut it, by still paying our yearly membership fees?

I honestly believe the Ten Club tries their best but we have all read how controlling Eddie is. Perhaps alot of what the Ten Club does needs to be Eddie approved or band approved. I would think the club just couldn't realease PJ material without the say so of the band and/or it's management.

Then if thats the reason, why make everything so obtuse? Why not just say, we are waiting on approval from ed and the boys.
How hard is it to make a phone call and say "can we use a couple b-sides for the Fan Club single this year since you guys are busy?"
I do think the Ten Club does a good job and does their best. I just don't think the manager should be answering questions with answers like "Its taking long than we expected" " Its handcrafted so its taking longer" "It has alot of details" " ect.

mca47

I joined the 10c in '02 and have never let my membership lapse.
I've had 3 holiday singles that were never even sent to me. Fotunately, those three didn't really include anything I didn't already have from boots, etc.

I can't wait to see what songs they include this year that I already have.
Behind the scenes at 10c:

Bob: "Hey Steve, have you sent out those holiday singles yet?"
Steve: "Nah, it's only July...I'll get around to it".
Bob: "So what would you say you actually do around here?"
Steve: "I'll get to it!! You know, the I'm Analog teeshirts won't send themselves!"
Bob: "Ok, ok...calm down Steve. Just be sure they are sent out before September"
Steve: "But the band hasn't done anything for them..."
Bob: "They haven't for years. Just give 'em a song from the last tour, and maybe a sweet version of 'Driven to Tears' because that song was awesome! Oh, and while you're at it, let's phase in a higher level 10c membership. For $100/year, you get the Analog package, plus some rare collectable stickers. They'll eat it up! Cha-ching...if you know what I mean?"
Steve and Bob both sarcastically laugh.
Steve: "I'm on it boss!"

RedMosquito22

Blockhead wrote:

Then if thats the reason, why make everything so obtuse? Why not just say, we are waiting on approval from ed and the boys.

How hard is it to make a phone call and say "can we use a couple b-sides for the Fan Club single this year since you guys are busy?"

I do think the Ten Club does a good job and does their best. I just don't think the manager should be answering questions with answers like "Its taking long than we expected" " Its handcrafted so its taking longer" "It has alot of details" " ect.

1) They have you just didn't hear it. And it's being pressed right now most likely.

2) It isn't the job of the 10 Club to press the boys. When they get together the come up with what they want on the single and it goes from there.

3) So you would rather him lie?

DS1119

Then if thats the reason, why make everything so obtuse? Why not just say, we are waiting on approval from ed and the boys.
How hard is it to make a phone call and say "can we use a couple b-sides for the Fan Club single this year since you guys are busy?"
I do think the Ten Club does a good job and does their best. I just don't think the manager should be answering questions with answers like "Its taking long than we expected" " Its handcrafted so its taking longer" "It has alot of details" " ect.[/quote]


I obviously can't answer for him.

Spoken

I hope Deep comes out before PJ20...

RedMosquito22

Spoken wrote:

I hope Deep comes out before PJ20...

I would certainly hope so.

Blockhead

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Then if thats the reason, why make everything so obtuse? Why not just say, we are waiting on approval from ed and the boys.

How hard is it to make a phone call and say "can we use a couple b-sides for the Fan Club single this year since you guys are busy?"

I do think the Ten Club does a good job and does their best. I just don't think the manager should be answering questions with answers like "Its taking long than we expected" " Its handcrafted so its taking longer" "It has alot of details" " ect.

1) They have you just didn't hear it. And it's being pressed right now most likely. According to who? If you are in the business of pressing vinyl and have been doing it since 1991 and also know EXACTLY how many you need to press. You should know the exact date you will be sending them out. A "Being pressed right now" is not an adequate answer, he might as well say, "I don't know", its saying the same thing.
2) It isn't the job of the 10 Club to press the boys. When they get together the come up with what they want on the single and it goes from there. Its their job to provide a service to the paying customers. One of those services is a Deep mag and Single. How they go about getting those items is not my problem or my concern. Thats the TC job.
3) So you would rather him lie?

I would rather him act like a manager...