Money/Time

BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
edited July 2011 in A Moving Train
During my lunch break, I drove by a nice comercial gym with hundreds of people flowing in and out.
Now that I am beging to turn my views around I though to myself, what good does this selfish act of taking care of ones self/body do for society?
With many people barley able to feed/cloth/care for their own children I think our time should be best served not focusing on our self but on others that are not as fortunate enough to have the "time" some people have. As we know many unfortunate/disadvantaged are working many jobs and don't have the "time" to take care of themselves let alone their family. So I propose a "time" tax if you will.
I think we should have the Gov. mandate the ammount of free time we have and "force" us to use our time to benefit society insead of our own selves/families.
What do my socialist friends think about this?
Why should we stop at Money, if our money that we work for can be taxed, why not our free-time, that we also create for ourselves?
Who's with me? If not, why?
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  • Beck..Beck.. Posts: 535
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    maintaining one's health contributes greatly to society ... it means that person is less likely to get sick and require medical services (burden to tax payers) ... that person also is less likely to pass on viruses as well ... having said that - the difference between this act and the ones you would like to compare it to is that the act of going to the gym doesn't require anyone else to be impacted, generally speaking of course ...

    again - similar to all the other threads you start with this logic ... i ask ... if you are stranded on a deserted island with 10 other people ... do you want to try and survive on your own or work together with your fellow stranded people?
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,157
    Technically, the state government is already taxing you for your time when you go to a gym since you are paying for a service.

    edit: unless you are a hippie that lives in Oregon ... which is rather ironic. 8-)
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,157
    polaris_x wrote:
    again - similar to all the other threads you start with this logic ... i ask ... if you are stranded on a deserted island with 10 other people ... do you want to try and survive on your own or work together with your fellow stranded people?
    Was I on a Southwest flight that crashed that took off out of Midway in Chicago? If so ... well, anyone who has flown out of Midway knows what I'm saying ... I'm grabbing some supplies and ditching them as quickly as possible!
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    my contribution is some good info, here ya go. ;)

    Godfather.

    Medicinal Power In a Pinch:
    Saffron Spice-Cardiovascular, Cancer Benefit
    JoAnn Guest
    Sep 09, 2004 19:31 PDT


    For January 7, 2002
    http://www.cancerdecisions.com/010702.html

    Power In a Pinch
    " Your arms are vines, covered with delicious fruits And all sorts of
    spices, henna, nard, saffron and all the finest spices. "

    --Song of Solomon 4.14

    Spices are pungent, aromatic plant substances that add zest and
    flavor
    to food. As the Biblical quotation indicates, they have been highly
    prized since antiquity. Hundreds of years ago, there was even an
    Iberian
    " Spice Race " similar to the " Space Race " of the late 20th century.
    Columbus was looking for a quick route to Eastern spices, and bloody
    wars were fought over these alluring substances. Did you know that
    the
    Dutch traded Manhattan for a tiny island in the Moluccas that
    produced
    nutmeg? They were sure they got the better of the deal.

    Today, herbs and spices are easy to come by. But one spice remains
    quite expensive and that is saffron. Ounce for ounce, it is still
    worth its
    weight in precious metals. Saffron usually sells for about $5 per
    gram,
    or $140 per ounce


    Crocus sativa L. (above)
    The price remains high because gathering saffron is a labor
    intensive
    business. Saffron is the orange stigma (part of the pistil) of the
    blue-violet, or white, lily-shaped flower, Crocus sativa L. It takes
    70,000 such flowers to yield the 200,000 dried stigmas that make up
    just
    one pound of saffron. Most saffron packages read " Made in Spain. "
    However, most " Spanish saffron " now comes from Iran, the world's
    leading
    exporter. (We are talking here about true saffron, not " American
    saffron, " a kind of safflower, that is sometimes used to adulterate
    the
    real thing.) --See illustration, right.


    Luckily, saffron is so powerful that you need only a pinch to pack a
    wallop. Even after boiling, it retains much of its alluring aroma.
    You
    can crush a small amount in your fingers or in a mortar, add some
    hot
    water, and then add that to your dish. In most recipes saffron is
    added
    in the latter part of preparation, moments before removing the dish
    from
    the oven or stove top, in order to conserve its flavor and color.

    It is common to use about four strands of saffron per person. I am
    wildly profligate in my use of saffron. I can afford to be, since
    last
    year I purchased an ounce of it for just $20 in New York's famous
    Indian
    neighborhood, Jackson Heights, Queens. That lasts a long time. When
    buying, look for an intense red-orange color and avoid brands that
    contain the yellow stamens (which have color but no flavor).

    In folk medicine, saffron has many uses.

    It is said to improve digestion and to regulate a woman's period. In
    large doses it can affect the color of urine, sweat, and other body
    secretions, turning them bright yellow.
    In great amounts it can produce a state of drunkenness, dizziness,
    vertigo, and headaches. I have seen
    recommendations of 2 to 4 grams (about a seventh of an ounce) to a
    quart
    of water for an infusion (tea), and around 1 grams (one twenty-
    eighth of
    an ounce) daily to help bowel activity.

    Saffron's Health Effects

    What does saffron contain? The essential oil of saffron is a complex
    mixture of at least 30 components, mainly terpenes.

    Not surprisingly, it has lots of riboflavin, the intensely yellow
    vitamin B2.

    It also contains antioxidants such as crocin, a flavonoid that is a
    major source
    of the characteristic yellowish-red pigment. Picrocrocin is a
    colorless
    bitter glycoside that gives saffron its characteristic taste.

    Saffron has all sorts of interesting and potentially important
    health
    effects.

    It increases oxidation and therefore could be useful in various
    heart conditions.

    In animals, saffron has been shown to lower cholesterol by 50
    percent.

    There is speculation that the low incidence of cardiovascular
    disease in parts of Spain may be related to their
    liberal, almost daily, consumption of saffron.

    What is particularly intriguing is saffron's potential role in
    cancer
    prevention.

    This was first brought to public attention in the 1990s by
    S.C. Nair of the Amala Cancer Research Centre and Hospital, Kerala,
    India.

    In several papers, Nair showed that saffron and its components
    had surprisingly strong anticancer activity.

    Some components in saffron act as " topo II " inhibitors, similar to
    the chemotherapeutic drug Adriamcyin. Yet, unlike Adriamycin,
    saffron is non-toxic.

    Nair noted a dose-dependent cancer effect on carcinoma, sarcoma and
    leukemia cells in the test tube.

    Saffron increased the life span of treated mice compared
    to untreated controls by 45 to 120 percent.

    In addition, it delayed the onset of papillomas.

    Just this November, Indian scientists showed that saffron decreased
    the
    damage to the DNA and the liver caused by various forms of
    chemotherapy.

    Long-term treatment with crocin of female rats with colon cancer
    enhanced their survival without major toxic effects.

    " The effects of crocin might be related to its strong cytotoxic
    effect on cultured tumor cells, " Spanish scientists concluded.

    Scientists have also shown that extracts of saffron inhibit cell
    growth
    of human tumor cells.

    Cancer cells treated with crocin had empty areas,
    reduced cytoplasm, and a destruction of their DNAÉ all potentially
    good
    things for patients.

    Crocin, they said, is a " promising saffron compound
    to be assayed as a cancer therapeutic agent. "

    A provocative study from Greece showed that saffron was comparable
    to
    all-trans retinoic acid (ATRA) in terms of its anticancer activity.

    ATRA
    is a form of vitamin A that is conventionally used to treat some
    head-and-neck cancers.

    Although saffron extracts are slightly less active than ATRA, they
    are not precursors of vitamin A and " could therefore be less toxic
    than retinoids, even at high doses. "

    A Saffron Laboratory?

    Now that's a lot of power in a pinch! But can saffron really prevent
    cancer in humans?
    We don't know and won't know until clinical tests are
    done. Despite repeated calls for trials, none has taken place and
    none
    is listed in the standard databases.

    If I were director of the National Cancer Institute, I would set up
    a
    Saffron Laboratory (similar to the Brassica Laboratory at Johns
    Hopkins): it would do nothing but test saffron and other Indian
    spices
    for anticancer activity.

    I would recruit outstanding scientists who are already working on
    these indigenous herbal products.

    And I wouldn't be satisfied until these were submitted to rigorous
    human clinical trials
    for anti-cancer activity.

    In the meantime, you can use and enjoy saffron right away. It is
    available in most groceries, co-ops and health food stores. You can
    buy
    it online or, do as I did: go to an Indian neighborhood, seek out a
    busy
    market, and buy your saffron there. With the money you save you can
    treat your family to quite a few saffron-flavored Indian meals.

    Till next week....best wishes for your safety, good health and peace
    of mind!

    Ralph W. Moss, Ph.D.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Why don't we just hook up the treadmills and stuff to generate electricity as people run?

    No, really. Why don't we do that?
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    polaris_x wrote:
    maintaining one's health contributes greatly to society ... it means that person is less likely to get sick and require medical services (burden to tax payers) ... that person also is less likely to pass on viruses as well ... having said that - the difference between this act and the ones you would like to compare it to is that the act of going to the gym doesn't require anyone else to be impacted, generally speaking of course ...

    again - similar to all the other threads you start with this logic ... i ask ... if you are stranded on a deserted island with 10 other people ... do you want to try and survive on your own or work together with your fellow stranded people?
    Maintaning one's money to support their family does not?
    The continual force of taking ones money to give to other people is taking away options of the original family.
    Instead of being able to get the best/healthiest foods for ones family, some families like mine are not able to get these foods that provide the best nutrients to strengthen our immune system, so now I am more susceptible to disease, passing along viruses and will need additional medical service.
    So now by taking my money and giving it to someone else, you are now taking my health (best possibilities), which you just alluded to is a great contributor to our society.
    So you support one and not the other?
    Also, taking my money and giving it to someone else, turns my money management to focus on needs, and lets face it a gym membership is a privliage is not a need. With all this money being taken away, I now do not have the funds to get a gym membership for the family. So now again you are taking away options to maintain my health. It looks like that by taking my money you have now turned me into a burden to taxpayers right?
    I would probably hold on to your views to if I viewed society as 10 people with no resources...
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    If you view taking ones money and giving it to someone else as an acceptable practies of society, why do you not support giving ones "time" to someone else also?
  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    the stimulas was 1/3 tax cuts and obama extended the bush tax cuts so i take it your supporting him in 2012.
    man the 90's must have been really, really rough on you and your family.
    are you against all taxes? i kind of like roads, police, and public schools.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    CH156378 wrote:
    the stimulas was 1/3 tax cuts and obama extended the bush tax cuts so i take it your supporting him in 2012.
    man the 90's must have been really, really rough on you and your family.
    are you against all taxes? i kind of like roads, police, and public schools.
    Learn how to read and comprehend, then post a reply.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    i am quitting the gym immediately.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Blockhead wrote:
    During my lunch break, I drove by a nice comercial gym with hundreds of people flowing in and out.
    Now that I am beging to turn my views around I though to myself, what good does this selfish act of taking care of ones self/body do for society?
    With many people barley able to feed/cloth/care for their own children I think our time should be best served not focusing on our self but on others that are not as fortunate enough to have the "time" some people have. As we know many unfortunate/disadvantaged are working many jobs and don't have the "time" to take care of themselves let alone their family. So I propose a "time" tax if you will.
    I think we should have the Gov. mandate the ammount of free time we have and "force" us to use our time to benefit society insead of our own selves/families.
    What do my socialist friends think about this?
    Why should we stop at Money, if our money that we work for can be taxed, why not our free-time, that we also create for ourselves?
    Who's with me? If not, why?

    how do you create "free-time"...? and are you saying we "create" money...? It reads like you're saying that...
  • No.

    I'll tell you this... I host about 20 fund raisers per year and take part in many more.

    I recently threw a fund raiser for a gay homeless youth shelter here in Los Angeles and after the final tally, I donated one of my cars to the shelter as well.

    Every year I donate a lot of gifts to their "Teen Toy Drive." People always buy dolls and teddy bears for toy drives and forget the 16-18 year-olds in homeless shelters might like something cool, too. this year I bought 4 skateboards and a bunch of stickers (including a bunch of Pearl Jam ones) and two electric Keyboards for it.

    I donate a lot of my money and a lot of my time to charity causes. Even when I was dirt poor, I volunteered for a gay and lesbian youth hotline from the time I was 18 and was a facilitator for the LGBYT. I volunteered for the Campaign for Equal Families and I still try to deliver meals on wheels when I can.

    But I do this because helping people makes me feel good. Helping people helps me.

    There's nothing more annoying than the people who got arrested for drunk driving and have to do "community service" who whine and bitch the whole time, complaining about how they hate helping the poor. They often ask me what I did to "have" to help out. And I sometimes say "I got rich and didn't forget where I came from."

    That shuts their pie holes.
  • RFTCRFTC Posts: 723
    a tax on 'time'? i love it, just be sure to include an exclusion loophole for the rich :mrgreen:
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  • And I may as well complete the douchebag moment by pointing out that my trainer has a private gym so no Gold's for me. All those fatties in my way and shitty music blaring and women in spandex... there.

    I do my trainer-less days at the gym at the studio I work at.

    So yeah... I'm a total Douche.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    WHAT free time? It's well documented and researched that Americans have zero free time in the first place. We're overworked, overstressed, don't take the few days of vacation and maternity leave alloted to us by our workplaces (which are placed last in 1st world countries for vacation time given to employees) out of guilt and feeling that we're indispensable (not!), we don't have the time to raise our kids because we're forced to work to pay for their cell phones and ipads, etc. etc. So we manage to squeeze in some time to exercise and take care of our own health and YOU Blockhead, feel that that's wrong. WHY am I not surprised? :roll:
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,196
    Blockhead wrote:
    During my lunch break, I drove by a nice comercial gym with hundreds of people flowing in and out.
    Now that I am beging to turn my views around I though to myself, what good does this selfish act of taking care of ones self/body do for society?
    With many people barley able to feed/cloth/care for their own children I think our time should be best served not focusing on our self but on others that are not as fortunate enough to have the "time" some people have. As we know many unfortunate/disadvantaged are working many jobs and don't have the "time" to take care of themselves let alone their family. So I propose a "time" tax if you will.
    I think we should have the Gov. mandate the ammount of free time we have and "force" us to use our time to benefit society insead of our own selves/families.
    What do my socialist friends think about this?
    Why should we stop at Money, if our money that we work for can be taxed, why not our free-time, that we also create for ourselves?
    Who's with me? If not, why?

    You're trying to catch us libs in a dilemma/bind, but this really isn't working. Keep trying, though.
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,936
    Staying in shape, eating right, and keeping healthy means you'll be spending less time in a hospital being treated for preventable diseases.
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  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Staying in shape, eating right, and keeping healthy means you'll be spending less time in a hospital being treated for preventable diseases.

    which means less time in front of the "death panels."
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Blockhead wrote:
    With many people barley able to feed/cloth/care for their own children

    Here's your problem. First of all, I don't think it's "many people", but if it is why are they having children?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Blockhead wrote:
    Maintaning one's money to support their family does not?
    The continual force of taking ones money to give to other people is taking away options of the original family.
    Instead of being able to get the best/healthiest foods for ones family, some families like mine are not able to get these foods that provide the best nutrients to strengthen our immune system, so now I am more susceptible to disease, passing along viruses and will need additional medical service.
    So now by taking my money and giving it to someone else, you are now taking my health (best possibilities), which you just alluded to is a great contributor to our society.
    So you support one and not the other?
    Also, taking my money and giving it to someone else, turns my money management to focus on needs, and lets face it a gym membership is a privliage is not a need. With all this money being taken away, I now do not have the funds to get a gym membership for the family. So now again you are taking away options to maintain my health. It looks like that by taking my money you have now turned me into a burden to taxpayers right?
    I would probably hold on to your views to if I viewed society as 10 people with no resources...

    first of all - people who go to gyms are taxed ... they are taxed in their membership fees and in the stuff they buy to participate (workout clothes) ... secondly, the US is one of the lowest taxed countries in the world ... yet your economy sucks, the social infrastructure is weak, the prosperity gap is that of a third world dictatorship ... how much less do you want to be taxed? ... and how do you propose schools get built? police get paid, roads repaired, etc?? ... why do you continue to focus on welfare and not the military?
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    I would MUCH rather my tax dollars go to helping the family on the other side of town than bombing the shit out of one on the other side of the world.

    I'm sure helping one family costs a whole lot less than bombing one too.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    polaris_x wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    Maintaning one's money to support their family does not?
    The continual force of taking ones money to give to other people is taking away options of the original family.
    Instead of being able to get the best/healthiest foods for ones family, some families like mine are not able to get these foods that provide the best nutrients to strengthen our immune system, so now I am more susceptible to disease, passing along viruses and will need additional medical service.
    So now by taking my money and giving it to someone else, you are now taking my health (best possibilities), which you just alluded to is a great contributor to our society.
    So you support one and not the other?
    Also, taking my money and giving it to someone else, turns my money management to focus on needs, and lets face it a gym membership is a privliage is not a need. With all this money being taken away, I now do not have the funds to get a gym membership for the family. So now again you are taking away options to maintain my health. It looks like that by taking my money you have now turned me into a burden to taxpayers right?
    I would probably hold on to your views to if I viewed society as 10 people with no resources...

    first of all - people who go to gyms are taxed ... they are taxed in their membership fees and in the stuff they buy to participate (workout clothes) ... secondly, the US is one of the lowest taxed countries in the world ... yet your economy sucks, the social infrastructure is weak, the prosperity gap is that of a third world dictatorship ... how much less do you want to be taxed? ... and how do you propose schools get built? police get paid, roads repaired, etc?? ... why do you continue to focus on welfare and not the military?
    maybe everyone could "adopt a highway" and abopt a mile of road to clean, maintain, fill potholes, etc. then the gubmint would not have to pay that part of the infrastructure. maybe the police and fire depts should be volunteer only and have to raise money to house and maintain firetrucks and maybe we can just build a shed to house criminals?

    what people who are for lower taxes also forget is it is the TAXPAYERS who pay to prosecute criminals. casey anthony? paid for by the people of florida. OJ? california...if revenue gets too low, how do people propose we pay for prosecuting criminal cases?
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Blockhead wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    maintaining one's health contributes greatly to society ... it means that person is less likely to get sick and require medical services (burden to tax payers) ... that person also is less likely to pass on viruses as well ... having said that - the difference between this act and the ones you would like to compare it to is that the act of going to the gym doesn't require anyone else to be impacted, generally speaking of course ...

    again - similar to all the other threads you start with this logic ... i ask ... if you are stranded on a deserted island with 10 other people ... do you want to try and survive on your own or work together with your fellow stranded people?
    Maintaning one's money to support their family does not?
    The continual force of taking ones money to give to other people is taking away options of the original family.
    Instead of being able to get the best/healthiest foods for ones family, some families like mine are not able to get these foods that provide the best nutrients to strengthen our immune system, so now I am more susceptible to disease, passing along viruses and will need additional medical service.
    So now by taking my money and giving it to someone else, you are now taking my health (best possibilities), which you just alluded to is a great contributor to our society.
    So you support one and not the other?
    Also, taking my money and giving it to someone else, turns my money management to focus on needs, and lets face it a gym membership is a privliage is not a need. With all this money being taken away, I now do not have the funds to get a gym membership for the family. So now again you are taking away options to maintain my health. It looks like that by taking my money you have now turned me into a burden to taxpayers right?
    I would probably hold on to your views to if I viewed society as 10 people with no resources...

    For your own health, you may just want to start telling yourself it was never your money to begin with. All the gyms and all the working out in the world might not save you from the coronary you're giving yourself over your money being stolen!
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    know1 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    With many people barley able to feed/cloth/care for their own children

    Here's your problem. First of all, I don't think it's "many people", but if it is why are they having children?

    Because poor people don't have sufficient access to contraception in this country.
  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    what people who are for lower taxes also forget is it is the TAXPAYERS who pay to prosecute criminals. casey anthony? paid for by the people of florida. OJ? california...if revenue gets too low, how do people propose we pay for prosecuting criminal cases?


    or the billions that are sent to countries/people that hate us.

    or the billions spent on a military that cruises the world looking for trouble

    or the billions spent on propping up companies "too big to fail"

    or the billions lost in government fraud

    or the billions spent on in intrest to pay for yesterday's expense

    and now to take a shot at citizens

    the billions that are lost to fraud such as medicare fake billings
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  • know1 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    With many people barley able to feed/cloth/care for their own children

    Here's your problem. First of all, I don't think it's "many people", but if it is why are they having children?


    1) Because we insist on teaching "abstinence only" sex education. Which is about as effective as telling kids "eat your vegetables" and then serving nothing but junk food in the school cafeteria.

    2) Because we refuse to teach teenagers how to prevent pregnancy, refuse them access to contraception and and don't teach them things like "birth control." All while dressing 5 year-old girls in bikinis and teaching them that "sex is power" from the time they're 8.

    3) Because we force pregnant women to wait a few days to end pregnancies and force them to look at ultrasounds of their rapists fetuses, force them to go through Christianazi anti-abortion misinformation lessons and stigmatize them as "girls who wanted to have fun and now have to pay the price."




    OH... but once that baby we force them to have is born... fuck her, we're not going to like.. help. I mean, that's not very American, is it?
  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,231
    Blockhead wrote:
    During my lunch break, I drove by a nice comercial gym with hundreds of people flowing in and out.
    Now that I am beging to turn my views around I though to myself, what good does this selfish act of taking care of ones self/body do for society?
    With many people barley able to feed/cloth/care for their own children I think our time should be best served not focusing on our self but on others that are not as fortunate enough to have the "time" some people have. As we know many unfortunate/disadvantaged are working many jobs and don't have the "time" to take care of themselves let alone their family. So I propose a "time" tax if you will.
    I think we should have the Gov. mandate the ammount of free time we have and "force" us to use our time to benefit society insead of our own selves/families.
    What do my socialist friends think about this?
    Why should we stop at Money, if our money that we work for can be taxed, why not our free-time, that we also create for ourselves?
    Who's with me? If not, why?
    We get taxed when using the gym so they can use the tax money to help out the more unfortunate. If you are using your passive aggressive argument then this example stinks on ice. If you are complaining about taxes then you are either middle class or poor because those are the ones getting screwed. All that was proposed was to bring taxes back to what they were before Bush had at'em. Whets wrong with helping out your fellow man a little?
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    And Blockhead, why is it better to spend money bombing the shit out of people on the other side of the world than it is to help somebody down the street.

    The way I see it, if we help a guy down the street, he might put money back into the economy, and buy goods and service.

    If we bomb someone on the other side of the world, his brother could become a terrorist.

    What's the better outcome?
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