As if we need to be reminded of the stupidity of AP

Moonpig

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07 ... de-people/

Those of you who still consider these a viable source for news source must really be freaking out.

butterjam

http://news.google.com/news/more?q=huma ... CDAQqgIwAA

So are all these news sources stupid in your opinion?

Personally, "human bombs" don't scare me. And neither do terrorists. Not having a cold beer in my fridge does scare me though.

Moonpig

311jj wrote:

http://news.google.com/news/more?q=human+bombs&hl=en&prmd=ivnsu&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1294&bih=735&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dh7j-PQfGRcc7hMXKgKhzOxnvv7ZM&ei=mKwUTuuOCOTniAK2pKnBBQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQqgIwAA

So are all these news sources stupid in your opinion?

Personally, "human bombs" don't scare me. And neither do terrorists. Not having a cold beer in my fridge does scare me though.

yes, any news outlet that runs with this as an actual story

Jason P

If you look really close, you will see that it is an Associated Press story that Fox News is linking (much like yahoo and google news link to AP and other news organizations).

So please rename the thread As if we need to be reminded of the stupidity of the Associated Press

butterjam

Then why have the title that Fox is stupid?

I think the larger issue is that the majority of our news is based on sensationalism. Jon Stewart hit it right on the head in his interview with Chris Wallace. I just think that saying Fox is stupid and then posting this link is showing a smaller issue, a lot of people's hatred towards them, instead of the larger issue of the ineptitude of our news media.

Parachute

I hate to do this to you publicly, but you are SO wrong, that nobody has had the heart to tell you.
...so I'll tell you.

This very real threat has been on US radar since early 2009 when Prince Muhammad bin Nayef was injured in an attack by a bomber w/ explosives up his ass. Sounds funny, right?- except it's true.

The CBS NEWS LINK is here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/ ... 7847.shtml

Doctors of Middle-Eastern descent, and trained in the UK, are returning to their countries of origin to implant explosives inside the body; namely breast implant bombs.

The ABC NEWS LINK is here:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=7257130

This is all in response to our implementation of the new TSA scanners, which was our response to the failed Xmas Day "underwear bomber". You see, the scanners can't see iside the body. It's a drug-smuggling technique borrowed for terror.


A quick search would have taught you something before you jumped up off the beanbag to "slam" Foxnews, and you could have saved yourself the embarrassment. You have revealed yourself to be completely uniformed on this subject, and frankly, I don't know how you recover from a blunder like this. I just don't.

I know the libs are more than a little jaded right now- you're boy Barack's started a war in Libya, we're still in Iraq, still in Afgahnistan, Wall Street loves him, Gitmo's still open, Patriot Act renewed, and more Americans are out of work now than when he took over- and that's after a trillion dollar "stimulus"

You probably feel like you took an Ambien and woke up in the backyard.

But posting pure, unadulterated ignorance, is not helping. If anything, it makes people like me, pity you more.

I say these things with utmost respect for you as a human being. It is your ideas that I find dumbing.


Here's some more links for you:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-12 ... de-bombing
http://current.com/news/91111015_muslim ... rectum.htm

Go Beavers

Parachute wrote:

I hate to do this to you publicly, but you are SO wrong, that nobody has had the heart to tell you.
...so I'll tell you.

This very real threat has been on US radar since early 2009 when Prince Muhammad bin Nayef was injured in an attack by a bomber w/ explosives up his ass. Sounds funny, right?- except it's true.

The CBS NEWS LINK is here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/ ... 7847.shtml

Doctors of Middle-Eastern descent, and trained in the UK, are returning to their countries of origin to implant explosives inside the body; namely breast implant bombs.

The ABC NEWS LINK is here:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=7257130

This is all in response to our implementation of the new TSA scanners, which was our response to the failed Xmas Day "underwear bomber". You see, the scanners can't see iside the body. It's a drug-smuggling technique borrowed for terror.


A quick search would have taught you something before you jumped up off the beanbag to "slam" Foxnews, and you could have saved yourself the embarrassment. You have revealed yourself to be completely uniformed on this subject, and frankly, I don't know how you recover from a blunder like this. I just don't.

I know the libs are more than a little jaded right now- you're boy Barack's started a war in Libya, we're still in Iraq, still in Afgahnistan, Wall Street loves him, Gitmo's still open, Patriot Act renewed, and more Americans are out of work now than when he took over- and that's after a trillion dollar "stimulus"

You probably feel like you took an Ambien and woke up in the backyard.

But posting pure, unadulterated ignorance, is not helping. If anything, it makes people like me, pity you more.

I say these things with utmost respect for you as a human being. It is your ideas that I find dumbing.


Here's some more links for you:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-12 ... de-bombing
http://current.com/news/91111015_muslim ... rectum.htm

Barack isn't this liberals boy, because he isn't liberal. You support my position by the things you just listed.

Parachute

If your position is that Barack is too liberal for even the nuttiest left-wing nutjobs, then I would agree with that, based on the things I know about said crazies.

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/us-warns-terrorists-might-try-to-plant-bombs-inside-people/

Those of you who still consider these a viable source for news source must really be freaking out.

do ya need a little cheese with that whine there buddy, is this for a high school current event story or something ? 99.9 % of the train hates Foxnews but you just seem to be bord so you started this ?...well it's cool bro you got my attention and I think I am the only FOXNEWS fan here :shock: ...shit did I just say that out loud ?????


Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

i have seen this reported on quite a few sites, and i think that the only reason this is a story is because the casey anthony trial is over....otherwise this would not be news. i will give my medical opinion on this and you will see that it is not possible for these types of attacks to happen.

ok, let's step back and really think about this "threat" for a minute, shall we?
let us think about the logistics involved here.

you would need to have all of the following things go in your favor to successfully surgically implant a bomb into a human being.

first off you would have to have a surgeon that shares the same goals of terrorism as the groups that want the bombs inplanted. i am not saying that there aren't any, i am just saying that there probably aren't a whole lot of them who would publicly make their political sentiments known. it is easy to lose patients that way...people do not realize that it takes a team of people do put someone under, perform the procedure, and bring them back from anesthesia without killing the patient. it is a very delicate and very serious process. this is something that would have to be done by a surgeon, and i am not talking about some medical student or some resident somewhere, it would have to be someone with experience.

they would have to find a place to do the procedure. i doubt there is a "hospital of jihad" anywhere that would allow such questionable and unethical procedures to be done in their operating rooms. and this is something that can not be done in someone's apartment or house somewhere. too much risk of complications, infection, and or death. this surgeon would have to be skilled enough to find a body cavity large enough to accomodate such a device. for this example let's just say that the implantable bomb is the size of a human fist. i am not sure what materials that size would be strong enough to cause an explosion big enough to bring down a plane, but that is the size i will use for my example. you have to find a body cavity large enough to accomodate that object or else you will be removing organs that are too vital to the bomber's life so that he would most likely die before the bomb would blow up, unless they removed one kidney and put it there. and the kidney removal would have to be a separate surgical procedure and the person would have o recover from that before anything else happens surgically. you could not put it subcutaneously because it would bulge out too much and be obvious. it would probably be most efficient to just insert it into the anus rather than assume the risks of a botched surgery.

another consideration is that that device is a foreign object, and the body will attack it and reject it as such. it would have to be something completely sterile and the patient would have to be on antibiotics and anti-rejection medication afterward, which i doubt is just lying around somewhere. there is real potential for this patient to become sick and die within a few days of the surgery, so that makes this unfeasable. he may also bleed to death internally after surgery. how often are patients well enough to walk out of a hospital a day or two after being laid open like that? not many.

also, cost is a prohibitive factor. i am fairly certain that insurance companies would not cover "implantable device/bomb" as part of their reimbursement schedule. and doctors would need to be paid. the device would be ungodly expensive because they would have to invent one that would be sterile, durable enough for the person to walk around for days to weeks without it going off, and undetectable to the common person and the bomb sniffing dogs.. a total hip joint implantable device costs about $20,000, just to give you an idea of what something used in the OR everyday costs., and it would have to be something that would not set off the metal detectors and could not be connected to a triggering device.

all of the above factors make this story impossible for me to believe. this would be waaay too much trouble for those who want to do something like this. also, what suicide bomber is going to agree to go through the potentially 2 high risk surgeries, recover from that, and then carry out their duties? i think that going through all of this would make someone second guess their commitment to their duties.

so all things considered i am going to have to call shenanigans on this type of attack. it won't happen in the next 20 years, so no reason to freak out now.

pjhawks

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i have seen this reported on quite a few sites, and i think that the only reason this is a story is because the casey anthony trial is over....otherwise this would not be news. i will give my medical opinion on this and you will see that it is not possible for these types of attacks to happen.

ok, let's step back and really think about this "threat" for a minute, shall we?
let us think about the logistics involved here.

you would need to have all of the following things go in your favor to successfully surgically implant a bomb into a human being.

first off you would have to have a surgeon that shares the same goals of terrorism as the groups that want the bombs inplanted. i am not saying that there aren't any, i am just saying that there probably aren't a whole lot of them who would publicly make their political sentiments known. it is easy to lose patients that way...people do not realize that it takes a team of people do put someone under, perform the procedure, and bring them back from anesthesia without killing the patient. it is a very delicate and very serious process. this is something that would have to be done by a surgeon, and i am not talking about some medical student or some resident somewhere, it would have to be someone with experience.

they would have to find a place to do the procedure. i doubt there is a "hospital of jihad" anywhere that would allow such questionable and unethical procedures to be done in their operating rooms. and this is something that can not be done in someone's apartment or house somewhere. too much risk of complications, infection, and or death. this surgeon would have to be skilled enough to find a body cavity large enough to accomodate such a device. for this example let's just say that the implantable bomb is the size of a human fist. i am not sure what materials that size would be strong enough to cause an explosion big enough to bring down a plane, but that is the size i will use for my example. you have to find a body cavity large enough to accomodate that object or else you will be removing organs that are too vital to the bomber's life so that he would most likely die before the bomb would blow up, unless they removed one kidney and put it there. and the kidney removal would have to be a separate surgical procedure and the person would have o recover from that before anything else happens surgically. you could not put it subcutaneously because it would bulge out too much and be obvious. it would probably be most efficient to just insert it into the anus rather than assume the risks of a botched surgery.

another consideration is that that device is a foreign object, and the body will attack it and reject it as such. it would have to be something completely sterile and the patient would have to be on antibiotics and anti-rejection medication afterward, which i doubt is just lying around somewhere. there is real potential for this patient to become sick and die within a few days of the surgery, so that makes this unfeasable. he may also bleed to death internally after surgery. how often are patients well enough to walk out of a hospital a day or two after being laid open like that? not many.

also, cost is a prohibitive factor. i am fairly certain that insurance companies would not cover "implantable device/bomb" as part of their reimbursement schedule. and doctors would need to be paid. the device would be ungodly expensive because they would have to invent one that would be sterile, durable enough for the person to walk around for days to weeks without it going off, and undetectable to the common person and the bomb sniffing dogs.. a total hip joint implantable device costs about $20,000, just to give you an idea of what something used in the OR everyday costs., and it would have to be something that would not set off the metal detectors and could not be connected to a triggering device.

all of the above factors make this story impossible for me to believe. this would be waaay too much trouble for those who want to do something like this. also, what suicide bomber is going to agree to go through the potentially 2 high risk surgeries, recover from that, and then carry out their duties? i think that going through all of this would make someone second guess their commitment to their duties.

so all things considered i am going to have to call shenanigans on this type of attack. it won't happen in the next 20 years, so no reason to freak out now.

fantastic post. one of the best i've ever seen on this site. pretty much explains why this story is a crock of shit. thanks dude.

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i have seen this reported on quite a few sites, and i think that the only reason this is a story is because the casey anthony trial is over....otherwise this would not be news. i will give my medical opinion on this and you will see that it is not possible for these types of attacks to happen.

Dude, didn't you see the latest Batman movie? Nuff said. :ugeek:

Evil Merlin Part Deux

Moonpig

Jason P wrote:

If you look really close, you will see that it is an Associated Press story that Fox News is linking (much like yahoo and google news link to AP and other news organizations).

So please rename the thread As if we need to be reminded of the stupidity of the Associated Press

Fair cop, in my rush to judgement I did not check all my facts.

Moonpig

Parachute wrote:

I hate to do this to you publicly, but you are SO wrong, that nobody has had the heart to tell you.
...so I'll tell you.

This very real threat has been on US radar since early 2009 when Prince Muhammad bin Nayef was injured in an attack by a bomber w/ explosives up his ass. Sounds funny, right?- except it's true.

The CBS NEWS LINK is here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/ ... 7847.shtml

Doctors of Middle-Eastern descent, and trained in the UK, are returning to their countries of origin to implant explosives inside the body; namely breast implant bombs.

The ABC NEWS LINK is here:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=7257130

This is all in response to our implementation of the new TSA scanners, which was our response to the failed Xmas Day "underwear bomber". You see, the scanners can't see iside the body. It's a drug-smuggling technique borrowed for terror.


A quick search would have taught you something before you jumped up off the beanbag to "slam" Foxnews, and you could have saved yourself the embarrassment. You have revealed yourself to be completely uniformed on this subject, and frankly, I don't know how you recover from a blunder like this. I just don't.

I know the libs are more than a little jaded right now- you're boy Barack's started a war in Libya, we're still in Iraq, still in Afgahnistan, Wall Street loves him, Gitmo's still open, Patriot Act renewed, and more Americans are out of work now than when he took over- and that's after a trillion dollar "stimulus"

You probably feel like you took an Ambien and woke up in the backyard.

But posting pure, unadulterated ignorance, is not helping. If anything, it makes people like me, pity you more.

I say these things with utmost respect for you as a human being. It is your ideas that I find dumbing.


Here's some more links for you:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-12 ... de-bombing
http://current.com/news/91111015_muslim ... rectum.htm

It's ok brother, I am neither ashamed nor embarrassed, thanks for the rant though. For the record, I would not class myself Liberal or Conservative, I have issues on which I lean one way or the other, but if it is easy for you to pigeon hole the world into black and white terms then you go right ahead.

And if your pity towards me leads you to want to donate money then PM me and I can give you an address with which you can send money.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/us-warns-terrorists-might-try-to-plant-bombs-inside-people/

Those of you who still consider these a viable source for news source must really be freaking out.

do ya need a little cheese with that whine there buddy, is this for a high school current event story or something ? 99.9 % of the train hates Foxnews but you just seem to be bord so you started this ?...well it's cool bro you got my attention and I think I am the only FOXNEWS fan here :shock: ...shit did I just say that out loud ?????


Godfather.

Shit. Even when you had your chance to roast me you come out with this incomprehensible waffle. Very little of what you say ever seems to make a blind bit of sense. Any way, until we meet again.

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/us-warns-terrorists-might-try-to-plant-bombs-inside-people/

Those of you who still consider these a viable source for news source must really be freaking out.

do ya need a little cheese with that whine there buddy, is this for a high school current event story or something ? 99.9 % of the train hates Foxnews but you just seem to be bord so you started this ?...well it's cool bro you got my attention and I think I am the only FOXNEWS fan here :shock: ...shit did I just say that out loud ?????


Godfather.

Shit. Even when you had your chance to roast me you come out with this incomprehensible waffle. Very little of what you say ever seems to make a blind bit of sense. Any way, until we meet again.

I just don't take much on the train serious anymore....what do you mean ?..it makes perfect sense.

Godfather.

usamamasan1

it would be easy to cut someone open and throw a bomb in their terrorist ass. A med student could do it on a make table.

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

it would be easy to cut someone open and throw a bomb in their terrorist ass. A med student could do it on a make table.

i'm sorry, have you taken a gross anatomy class? what about advanced physiology, or even a surgical pathology class? do you know how the body works at all? have you any idea of the intricacies involved in basic surgery? let alone something of this magnitude? i am guessing not, as anyone who has any appreciation for the amazing thing known as the human body would never make such an uneducated comment as the one you made.

i am sorry, a med student is not even allowed near a scalpel and live tissue on an operating table, so a medical student can not do this...

Go Beavers

Parachute wrote:

If your position is that Barack is too liberal for even the nuttiest left-wing nutjobs, then I would agree with that, based on the things I know about said crazies.

Don't play. You know he's centrist and you keep assuming there's big loyalty with him amongst liberals.

usamamasan1

Breast implants. Done deal. Easy breezy.
Case closed. Heading to show.
That amount of explosive could fuck shot up on a plane. You really think these fuckers can't get someone qualified to be a carrier of the bomb? You really think there are no "doctors" that will/can do this?
Where have you been if so?