Taking (forcing) someone elses money that they work for and giving it to someone who is not working to support their way of live is THEFT.
Your tone and attitude in this sentence is telling...
You think everyone who receives govt assistance DOESN'T WORK.
You think they've all got it good... support their 'way of life'?..again, we know... you think they are all sitting around playing playstation3 on a 60 inch 3D TV while upgrading their I-Phones.
Taking anyone's money is THEFT if they don't approve of what its used for then. Polaris' example is perfect. I disagree with killing Iraqis, so I wish the govt would stop stealing MY money to go off and kill people with. and they are taking A HELLUVA LOT MORE to kill Iraqis that what is taken to help with govt assistance programs.
Maybe you should take a look at the federal budget...
And once again, if someone have no education/planning/savings plans, etc, handing them monthly checks is not HELPING them... We should help educate them in how to save money.
Taking (forcing) someone elses money that they work for and giving it to someone who is not working to support their way of live is THEFT.
People seem to foget that there are charities...
You are incorrect if you believe that people on public assistance don't work. Most of the people I've known have been employed. They work at minimum wage jobs and struggle to support their families. Food stamps or subsidized housing help them. The fact that someone qualifies for one type of assistance doesn't mean they automatically qualify for another. It depends very much on the state and locality where they live.
I haven't forgotten that there are charities. I already said that I've spent most of my adult life working at nonprofits, including what you would call charities. Because of the tremendous demands on them, particularly in this economy, they are limited in what kinds of services they can provide. They can fill in some gaps in public assistance but not all.
blockhead has demonstrated time again in thread after thread the inability to understand that there is a group of people called "the working poor".
Gimmie has demostrated time and time again in thread after thread hypocrisy at its finest and his inability to think logically.
THEFT is TAKING something someone earned and giving it to someone who didn't earn it.
Again, please point out where I said I don't believe in welfare programs...
Welfare programs are now entitlement programs, and hand outs. There needs to be severe regulations and some actual help.
you are calling welfare THEFT ... how else am i supposed to interpret it!??
all gov't programs are entitlement programs and hand outs ... especially defense ... i don't see why you would focus on this and not the other ...
all you are saying is that you are able to rationalize the expenditure on defense and not on welfare ... but calling it THEFT is absurd ...
Blockhead, it would really help your case if you ever showed any interest in actual reality. If you really cared about this issue, instead of just wanting to villify poor people, shouldn't you have some interest in LEARNING about it from those people (like Whoprincess) who have much more expertise? You are talking about welfare programs and they people who utilize their services; she is telling you how they work and what the experience of many of those people is. Are you not the slightest bit interested in knowing?? :?
what is it that jesus and most of the saints that are held in high esteem have in common?
they were poor. they lived amongst the sick and poor in society. they served them, cared for them, and ministered to them.
they did not browbeat them, they did not berate them, they did not judge them. or put them down. or call them inferior. or blame them for their situation. or call them "lazy" or "leeches" or say that they were "stealing" resources from the rich.
to me it is funny that those of us who are not religious try to do the former, while those that have found jesus tend to do the latter. there is something seriously wrong with that picture...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
what is it that jesus and most of the saints that are held in high esteem have in common?
they were poor. they lived amongst the sick and poor in society. they served them, cared for them, and ministered to them.
they did not browbeat them, they did not berate them, they did not judge them. or put them down. or call them inferior. or blame them for their situation. or call them "lazy" or "leeches" or say that they were "stealing" resources from the rich.
to me it is funny that those of us who are not religious try to do the former, while those that have found jesus tend to do the latter. there is something seriously wrong with that picture...
I understand your point, but please do not overgeneralize this because it is certainly not always the case. However, it is the case many times, and, to me, it personifies hypocrisy (as opposed to what you were 'accused' of before. )
what is it that jesus and most of the saints that are held in high esteem have in common?
they were poor. they lived amongst the sick and poor in society. they served them, cared for them, and ministered to them.
they did not browbeat them, they did not berate them, they did not judge them. or put them down. or call them inferior. or blame them for their situation. or call them "lazy" or "leeches" or say that they were "stealing" resources from the rich.
to me it is funny that those of us who are not religious try to do the former, while those that have found jesus tend to do the latter. there is something seriously wrong with that picture...
I understand your point, but please do not overgeneralize this because it is certainly not always the case. However, it is the case many times, and, to me, it personifies hypocrisy (as opposed to what you were 'accused' of before. )
i should have reworded that to say "some of those tend to"...
i was in a hurry and did not choose my words correctly.
sorry if i offended anybody with that post :oops:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
what is it that jesus and most of the saints that are held in high esteem have in common?
they were poor. they lived amongst the sick and poor in society. they served them, cared for them, and ministered to them.
they did not browbeat them, they did not berate them, they did not judge them. or put them down. or call them inferior. or blame them for their situation. or call them "lazy" or "leeches" or say that they were "stealing" resources from the rich.
to me it is funny that those of us who are not religious try to do the former, while those that have found jesus tend to do the latter. there is something seriously wrong with that picture...
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24
Maybe you should take a look at the federal budget...
And once again, if someone have no education/planning/savings plans, etc, handing them monthly checks is not HELPING them... We should help educate them in how to save money.
Taking (forcing) someone elses money that they work for and giving it to someone who is not working to support their way of live is THEFT.
People seem to foget that there are charities...
then what do you call taking someone's money and forcing them to pay for bombs that kill innocent people?
Defense...
Find me a charity or charities that'll spend 10 billion dollars a month for two wars as part of our defense and I'll find you a society that won't care for it's poor people.
Brief History of IRS
Origin
The roots of IRS go back to the Civil War when President Lincoln and Congress, in 1862, created the position of commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted an income tax to pay war expenses. The income tax was repealed 10 years later. Congress revived the income tax in 1894, but the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional the following year.
16th Amendment
In 1913, Wyoming ratified the 16th Amendment, providing the three-quarter majority of states necessary to amend the Constitution. The 16th Amendment gave Congress the authority to enact an income tax. That same year, the first Form 1040 appeared after Congress levied a 1 percent tax on net personal incomes above $3,000 with a 6 percent surtax on incomes of more than $500,000.
In 1918, during World War I, the top rate of the income tax rose to 77 percent to help finance the war effort. It dropped sharply in the post-war years, down to 24 percent in 1929, and rose again during the Depression. During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments.
1913 Form 1040 (PDF 126KB, 4 pages, including instructions)
A New Name
In the 50s, the agency was reorganized to replace a patronage system with career, professional employees. The Bureau of Internal Revenue name was changed to the Internal Revenue Service. Only the IRS commissioner and chief counsel are selected by the president and confirmed by the Senate.
Today’s IRS Organization
The IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998 prompted the most comprehensive reorganization and modernization of IRS in nearly half a century. The IRS reorganized itself to closely resemble the private sector model of organizing around customers with similar needs.
taxes are the price we pay to live in a civil society, Oliver Wendell Holmes
One fifth of all children in the United States are growing up in poverty (defined as a family of four living on $22,000 or less per year). What do you suggest we do with them?
I hate how the government steals my money and gives it to Lockheed Martin. What has Lockheed Martin done for me other than make tools to kill people? Many of which are innocent and just trying to live their lives. Bombing the shit out of Iraq has done nothing to make America or Americans safer.
Is that theft, blockhead?
What about how the government takes my money and subsidizes farmers?
What about how the government takes my money and paves highways I will never drive on?
What about how the government takes my money and takes care of the white house lawn which I will never enjoy? Is this theft?
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
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Your tone and attitude in this sentence is telling...
You think everyone who receives govt assistance DOESN'T WORK.
You think they've all got it good... support their 'way of life'?..again, we know... you think they are all sitting around playing playstation3 on a 60 inch 3D TV while upgrading their I-Phones.
Taking anyone's money is THEFT if they don't approve of what its used for then. Polaris' example is perfect. I disagree with killing Iraqis, so I wish the govt would stop stealing MY money to go off and kill people with. and they are taking A HELLUVA LOT MORE to kill Iraqis that what is taken to help with govt assistance programs.
you are calling welfare THEFT ... how else am i supposed to interpret it!??
all gov't programs are entitlement programs and hand outs ... especially defense ... i don't see why you would focus on this and not the other ...
all you are saying is that you are able to rationalize the expenditure on defense and not on welfare ... but calling it THEFT is absurd ...
i have stayed true to my convictions the entire time.
where have i been a hypocrite? :?
where have i shown inability to think logically?
you are the one with the chip on your shoulder, let's knock off the victim complex ok?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
No. He hasn't. At all. Go back and read this tread and I think it's pretty clear who's going out of their way to not be "logical."
what is it that jesus and most of the saints that are held in high esteem have in common?
they were poor. they lived amongst the sick and poor in society. they served them, cared for them, and ministered to them.
they did not browbeat them, they did not berate them, they did not judge them. or put them down. or call them inferior. or blame them for their situation. or call them "lazy" or "leeches" or say that they were "stealing" resources from the rich.
to me it is funny that those of us who are not religious try to do the former, while those that have found jesus tend to do the latter. there is something seriously wrong with that picture...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i was in a hurry and did not choose my words correctly.
sorry if i offended anybody with that post :oops:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24
Find me a charity or charities that'll spend 10 billion dollars a month for two wars as part of our defense and I'll find you a society that won't care for it's poor people.
Brief History of IRS
Origin
The roots of IRS go back to the Civil War when President Lincoln and Congress, in 1862, created the position of commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted an income tax to pay war expenses. The income tax was repealed 10 years later. Congress revived the income tax in 1894, but the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional the following year.
16th Amendment
In 1913, Wyoming ratified the 16th Amendment, providing the three-quarter majority of states necessary to amend the Constitution. The 16th Amendment gave Congress the authority to enact an income tax. That same year, the first Form 1040 appeared after Congress levied a 1 percent tax on net personal incomes above $3,000 with a 6 percent surtax on incomes of more than $500,000.
In 1918, during World War I, the top rate of the income tax rose to 77 percent to help finance the war effort. It dropped sharply in the post-war years, down to 24 percent in 1929, and rose again during the Depression. During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments.
1913 Form 1040 (PDF 126KB, 4 pages, including instructions)
A New Name
In the 50s, the agency was reorganized to replace a patronage system with career, professional employees. The Bureau of Internal Revenue name was changed to the Internal Revenue Service. Only the IRS commissioner and chief counsel are selected by the president and confirmed by the Senate.
Today’s IRS Organization
The IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998 prompted the most comprehensive reorganization and modernization of IRS in nearly half a century. The IRS reorganized itself to closely resemble the private sector model of organizing around customers with similar needs.
taxes are the price we pay to live in a civil society, Oliver Wendell Holmes
One fifth of all children in the United States are growing up in poverty (defined as a family of four living on $22,000 or less per year). What do you suggest we do with them?
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Is that theft, blockhead?
What about how the government takes my money and subsidizes farmers?
What about how the government takes my money and paves highways I will never drive on?
What about how the government takes my money and takes care of the white house lawn which I will never enjoy? Is this theft?
lol...'gut you like a fish' is back and in full effect...